Black Culture Discussion Thread

Socially.

Economically, they tend to be on the left end of the spectrum.

They often say that "if there's food for one, there's food for all."
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Brought me back to a memory when I was little. My granny said the same thing one time when my cousin had something and my other cousin wanted some. She made him split some small cookie with like 3 people. We probably got like a crumb each. That man was salty all day off that cookie.
 
Yeah why seven day adventists and Jehovah witnesses gotta be the only ones with the post church chick fil-a?
 
Maybe I'm tripping with this maybe it's realistic.

The main component of violence and chaos in black communities are lack of funds, resources and guidance. It seems to be that the black entertainers/entrepreneurs have the means to improve this drastically. I'm thinking community centers, schools, hospitals etc. I know contribute and that's honorable, I just feel like they have power (money) to clean things up.
 
The main component of violence and chaos in black communities are lack of funds, resources and guidance. It seems to be that the black entertainers/entrepreneurs have the means to improve this drastically. I'm thinking community centers, schools, hospitals etc. I know contribute and that's honorable, I just feel like they have power (money) to clean things up.

While they do have the capability, I honestly don't and can't expect them too. They work hard for their money and should get to enjoy the rewards of their labor and do with it as they please. Now, we can get into what rich people as a whole should contribute to economically disadvantaged communities but I can't blame black celebrities for not picking up the slack that the government (local, state and federal) should be taking care of. There is also nothing stopping a group of average people pooling thier money to get something popping either.

Side note: reminds me of the old arguement from the 80's/90's, "why don't the drug dealers build a supermarket"?
 
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details? who was making that argument??

Well obviously no social media back then, just something you would hear in conscious rap lyrics (Public Enemy, BDP, etc), or at a NOI rally, those types of things.
 
i think both in theory & in principal i can agree...but in practicality & practice it plays out differently, many align themselves with the ideologies of the 'ruling class' or power generally. while maybe difficult to disentangle from economics & power, there are also those for reasons that, at least at face value, are about lifestyle & values...

it's likely a 'solid political education' is missing in today's discourse in general; it may very well be that this negatively hurts blacks more but it is that the black discourse lacking this in particular...and if only we all could or were motivated to fully inform ourselves before forming our opinions but that really isn't the way most people arrive at our beliefs rather it is usually the other way around and mostly to reinforce the latter...

i feel like it isn't so much that the black discourse is especially uniformed or lacking in the historic perspective (a glance at the commentary of any issue in this country today would make this clear), but the way(s) black folk tend to dismiss those that disagree; on that i do think the awareness of the 'canceling' of folk mentioned in the vid doesn't allow for much divergent thought, not nearly as constrained as conservatism but perhaps similarly isn't all that welcoming to debate...this too may not be that specific too black folk though the experience of existing in a country that has been (and seemingly still) both conspired against and been openly hostile to people of color generally & black folk specifically has a created a maybe not so healthy skepticism that is particular to black folk

It's true that many people have always sided with the elites. There have been people who have betrayed us at every level of so called progress. Education for liberation has always been the main thing that our community has always emphasized. When Black folks were coming out of slavery and entering reconstruction, education and land were two of the main components that they believed were vital for liberation. That's why former slaves were starting schools and colleges all over the south. These two books below gives a great history of that.
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Many of our movements have had an educational component that comprised itself of history and politics. The BPP (Black Panther Party) had community wide schools on political education and even had reading lists of books that every member had to read. They also had a newspaper and required everyone to read the news and current events. The NOI with Malcolm X had education programs that taught African history. The late John Henrik Clarke was Malcolm's personal historian. The Harlem renaissance produced literary giants that were integral in civil rights and the era of black power. Harold Cruse, Zora Neale Hurston, Alain Locke etc. HBCU's and the advent of Black studies produced MLK, Kwame Ture, and a host of African leaders like Kwame Nkrumah and Azikiwe.

While it's true that discourse over the decades has worsened where people can't even disagree, it's also gotten to the point where both sides aren't fully informed in what they're arguing for or even defending. We've regressed in the respect that we become amnesiac when it comes to our intellectual and political traditions. Some of that is the fault of elders not passing down the knowledge and part of that is on us in not doing the work required. I didn't see the video so I can't comment on that. But I do truly believe that we need to go back to our traditions to aid us in collectively solving the problems we're currently experiencing.
 
It's true that many people have always sided with the elites. There have been people who have betrayed us at every level of so called progress. Education for liberation has always been the main thing that our community has always emphasized. When Black folks were coming out of slavery and entering reconstruction, education and land were two of the main components that they believed were vital for liberation. That's why former slaves were starting schools and colleges all over the south. These two books below gives a great history of that.
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Many of our movements have had an educational component that comprised itself of history and politics. The BPP (Black Panther Party) had community wide schools on political education and even had reading lists of books that every member had to read. They also had a newspaper and required everyone to read the news and current events. The NOI with Malcolm X had education programs that taught African history. The late John Henrik Clarke was Malcolm's personal historian. The Harlem renaissance produced literary giants that were integral in civil rights and the era of black power. Harold Cruse, Zora Neale Hurston, Alain Locke etc. HBCU's and the advent of Black studies produced MLK, Kwame Ture, and a host of African leaders like Kwame Nkrumah and Azikiwe.

While it's true that discourse over the decades has worsened where people can't even disagree, it's also gotten to the point where both sides aren't fully informed in what they're arguing for or even defending. We've regressed in the respect that we become amnesiac when it comes to our intellectual and political traditions. Some of that is the fault of elders not passing down the knowledge and part of that is on us in not doing the work required. I didn't see the video so I can't comment on that. But I do truly believe that we need to go back to our traditions to aid us in collectively solving the problems we're currently experiencing.

it is VERY true that black folk specifically, as well as generally women & people of color, have been & continue to be betrayed by those claiming to be aligned with ‘progress,’ so much so that i feel it has made black folk particularly skeptical of anyone that advocates or approaches blackness in a different way from the well worn paths...

the thing about being ‘fully informed’ is it isn’t always possible to grasp the full scope of things, so having an open analytical mind about the argument(s) seems just as worthy an endeavor...human history is literally filled with examples of knowledge being discovered, discarded, and rediscovered or emerging again independently through necessity. companies, institutions & organizations alike experience this as foundational people leave and/or shift focus, or are replaced; even as it relates to the things that have made them successful in the 1st place...

as an aside, to somewhat crudely illustrate the point, for the longest time part of the reason sneaker companies didn’t retro product was they didn’t always keep the blueprints, molds, and tech drawings of every product (storing physical molds & keeping copies can be expensive, space consuming, and there was no obvious reason to keep that stuff as they made seasonal product yearly)...so they had to remake many of the old designs from looking at pictures or from shoes from collectors, in some cases building some shoes differently because the people that built the originals had took the knowledge of how they were created with them or it was forgotten. you’d even have situations where product developers would say something wasn’t possible, only to find out it had been already been done decades ago...sometimes what was known becomes unknown

even though accepted knowledge is in the world that doesn't mean people won’t still argue against it or re-litigate it, for example women’s reproductive rights is still being argued despite pretty concrete evidence that it tends to directly lead to better outcomes for women...so while i can understand the lament of loss of info/knowledge/tradition in public discourse, i don’t think the phenomenon is new or necessarily an especially a black thing, even taking into account that black folks were denied thing so like equal education, rights, etc. and then there is just the, maybe understandably so, lack of nuance in public discourse generally

i don’t think that looking backwards is the way forward, which isn’t to say i’m for discarding tradition(s) rather maybe it is that tradition(s) need to be (continually) updated for the times...
 
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Golf Club Calls Cops On 5 Black Women Members Playing ... Golf

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A golf club in York County, Pennsylvania, apologized for making five black women “uncomfortable” on its course, but one of the players said Tuesday that she and her companions ― all members ― remain undecided about how to respond after club officials told them to leave.

The officials also called police during the incident.

“We are processing information and the club called to meet and we have not decided when,” Myneca Ojo told HuffPost.

Ojo and the four others were playing at the Grandview Golf Club on Saturday when the tense encounter unfolded.

“I felt we were discriminated against,” Ojo told The York Daily Record. “It was a horrific experience.”

The group, who call themselves the Sisters of the Fairway, said that club representatives twice complained to them that they were playing too slowly ― the first time at the second hole. The women said they were maintaining the required pace because they remained appropriately ahead of the group behind them, but they skipped the third hole to avoid further confrontation.

“We were keeping the front group in our sights” ― as required, Sandra Thompson, a lawyer and NAACP chapter president, told Fox43 in the segment above.

After the ninth hole, three of the group left the course because they were disturbed by the earlier encounter, the women told the Record. The women told Fox43 they played the first nine holes in under 2 hours, yet the remaining two golfers, Ojo and Thompson, were confronted again, this time by the man from earlier, former York County Commissioner Steve Chronister; his son, club co-owner Jordan Chronister; and a few other white male employees.

The women said the men’s approach, captured in part on Thompson’s cell phone video, was “hostile.”

“We were frightened,” one of the women told WPMT Fox43.

The station’s report also included a segment of the cell phone video in which Jordan Chronister says sardonically to one of the women, “Congratulations, you’re a real winner.”

According to the women, the men accused them of taking too long a break ― a complaint the players refuted. Club officials informed the women that the cops had been summoned and asked them to leave the premises.

That’s when the Northern York County Regional Police arrived to try to sort out the dispute.

We were called there for an issue; the issue did not warrant any charges,” Police Chief Mark Bentzel said, according to The Associated Press. “All parties left and we left as well.”

HuffPost attempted to reach the club, but its message machine was full.

JJ Chronister, Jordan Chronister’s wife and the club’s co-owner, said she called the women to apologize for the other club officials “making them feel uncomfortable.” She said she was attempting to meet with them to work out the issue, USA Today reported.

But Chronister later sent USA Today an email that was not quite as conciliatory: “We spoke with (the women) once about pace of play and then spoke with them a second time,” she wrote. “During the second conversation we asked members to leave as per our policy noted on the scorecard, voices escalated, and police were called to ensure an amicable resolution.”
 

I've always wondered about that. Its always been my assumption that collective values are very different from within the various orgs and chapters that prevents this from happening. Back in college I remember Sigma's promoting black community give back and financial freedom but it would conflict with another BGLO Frat that was concerned with their influence on campus.

I don't think the issue is isolated to BGLO's neither. Also in college, NSBE's headquarters was more concerned about money and retention where as individual chapters where more concerned about what was affecting the campus and community (programs, outreach, etc.)

Even as a adult its difficult to find a collective code to among my organizational affiliations because the values change so drastically from group to group.

I think the next black renaissance will happen but I think it will come from just a vast majority of individuals reaching back as the years progress but I highly doubt it will come from any Organizational effort(though i wish it would) because if that was the case it would have happened already.
 
Maybe I'm tripping with this maybe it's realistic.

The main component of violence and chaos in black communities are lack of funds, resources and guidance. It seems to be that the black entertainers/entrepreneurs have the means to improve this drastically. I'm thinking community centers, schools, hospitals etc. I know contribute and that's honorable, I just feel like they have power (money) to clean things up.
Entertainers don’t be giving a **** bout us
They perpetuate
And encourage the hood lifestyle
They glorify drugs and bunch of other things
Best thing to do imo
Is to try to make a change within the community urself
Or/and raise ur kids to do the same
And then they do the same
Only way we can over come
And honestly
We need to break away from everyone else
And start our own lil town
U know
Like black Wall Street
Exactly like it
Everyone who looks like u working together
To better each other
 
“They’re not maintaining pace and they’re taking long breaks call the cops”

Police are just personal body guards for white people.

If you call the cops for some **** like this whoever called should be arrested.
 
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