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I thought dude said Black women are the head of the Black movement now and that's why we are struggling.

I gotta listen to it again.
 
SneakerProSr. said:
I thought dude said Black women are the head of the Black movement now and that's why we are struggling.

I gotta listen to it again.
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he did say that and it's not the first time I heard someone say it. I heard a women say it as well.
 
don adidada said:
This part I agree with.



This part I didn't agree with. So I rewatched the video. I didn't hear him say that black women are the reason for the lack of our advancement. I heard him say that we take men to task for their issues, but not women (toxic masculinity vs toxic femininity) and as a result the community discussion is unbalanced.

Yes, most of the black public figures that are so-called "community leaders" are male. However, I don't think that's what he was referring to. Most of the relevant voices in this generation are women.

What he did say wrong was that black women and black liberals generally were looking for "pats on the head" and approval from whites. That I did not agree with, and I view as a misread of the situation.
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He claims that black liberals don't want progress, they want a pat on the head, and their attitudes are problematic holding back the black community. Then talks about black women, moist dudes, and the issues he has with them.

His "they"don't seem to change through his rant, he seems just to be detailing who is "they" as he goes on. Black liberals that don't want progress and just have mental illnesses and trauma looking for head pats are the same as the black women that lead the black community in a bad way, and they get help from moist soy dudes that want to score ***** points. He was not being nuanced, he does not seem like he separating them out.

He seems to be drawing a straight line. Black liberals = black women and "moist" dudes that agree with them. He doesn't just mention millennial generation that black women have some dominant voice in. In fact, trying to define it so narrowly to make that argument works kinda points to how weak the claim that black male voices are suppressed.

Listen from 7:00 minutes onward, he says around that point that black women run the black community, they do a poor job at it, just look we are the community most in shambles, so why is no one talking about toxic femininity.

To me, he is putting the blame for the state of the black community at the feet of black women. And that is ******* ridiculous. He could have made the point of feminism gone astray without saying this.
 
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SneakerProSr. said:
I thought dude said Black women are the head of the Black movement now and that's why we are struggling.

I gotta listen to it again.
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Listen from 7 minutes onward.

He says black women run the black community, they do a poor job at it, the community is most in shambles, so why don't people talk about toxic femininity.

He doesn't just say talk about toxic femininity as a counterpoint to toxic masculinity, he also says it should be talked about because seemingly black women's poor leadership is responsible for the state of the black community.
 
What does being conservative even mean in 2018 if you aren't part of the upper middle class and the ruling class of this country? Political lines become blurry when you see trends in wealth, upward mobility, educational opportunities, and political power all aggregating towards the top and widening the already sizeable gaps we see now.

Our community has always been politically diverse and we haven't always shared the same interests. But one of the biggest aspects that's missing in today's black political discourse is a solid political education as well as an understanding of history. Too many people are coming to their political views through experience but are ignorant of the history and genealogy of their political positions.

While diversity of thought should be encouraged, there's just rhetoric out there that shouldn't be taken seriously. Views about black people that are grounded in pathology have no business in real conversations. It's work and it requires a certain level of study and community engagement.
 
RustyShackleford said:
He claims that black liberals don't want progress, they want a pat on the head, and their attitudes are problematic holding back the black community. Then talks about black women, moist dudes, and the issues he has with them.

His "they"don't seem to change through his rant, he seems just to be detailing who is "they" as he goes on. Black liberals that don't want progress and just have mental illnesses and trauma looking for head pats are the same as the black women that lead the black community in a bad way, and they get help from moist soy dudes that want to score ***** points. He was not being nuanced, he does not seem like he separating them out.

He seems to be drawing a straight line. Black liberals = black women and "moist" dudes that agree with them. He doesn't just mention millennial generation that black women have some dominant voice in. In fact, trying to define it so narrowly to make that argument works kinda points to how weak the claim that black male voices are suppressed.

Listen from 7:00 minutes onward, he says around that point that black women run the black community, they do a poor job at it, just look we are the community most in shambles, so why is no one talking about toxic femininity.

To me, he is putting the blame for the state of the black community at the feet of black women. And that is ****ing ridiculous. He could have made the point of feminism gone astray without saying this.
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Ok, yea i hear it now. I can't agree with that.

I gotta listen again (damn this **** is long) but i thought i heard him separate general black women and liberals from those with 'mental illneses' etc. because he said they come from tumblr onto twitter and ruined the conversation.
 
Random side note

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This is big for us that needed an organization outside of the NRA.

I never been a Glock guy though
 
d nice said:
What does being conservative even mean in 2018 if you aren't part of the upper middle class and the ruling class of this country? Political lines become blurry when you see trends in wealth, upward mobility, educational opportunities, and political power all aggregating towards the top and widening the already sizeable gaps we see now.

Our community has always been politically diverse and we haven't always shared the same interests. But one of the biggest aspects that's missing in today's black political discourse is a solid political education as well as an understanding of history. Too many people are coming to their political views through experience but are ignorant of the history and genealogy of their political positions.

While diversity of thought should be encouraged, there's just rhetoric out there that shouldn't be taken seriously. Views about black people that are grounded in pathology have no business in real conversations. It's work and it requires a certain level of study and community engagement.
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i think both in theory & in principal i can agree...but in practicality & practice it plays out differently, many align themselves with the ideologies of the 'ruling class' or power generally. while maybe difficult to disentangle from economics & power, there are also those for reasons that, at least at face value, are about lifestyle & values...

it's likely a 'solid political education' is missing in today's discourse in general; it may very well be that this negatively hurts blacks more but it is that the black discourse lacking this in particular...and if only we all could or were motivated to fully inform ourselves before forming our opinions but that really isn't the way most people arrive at our beliefs rather it is usually the other way around and mostly to reinforce the latter...

i feel like it isn't so much that the black discourse is especially uniformed or lacking in the historic perspective (a glance at the commentary of any issue in this country today would make this clear), but the way(s) black folk tend to dismiss those that disagree; on that i do think the awareness of the 'canceling' of folk mentioned in the vid doesn't allow for much divergent thought, not nearly as constrained as conservatism but perhaps similarly isn't all that welcoming to debate...this too may not be that specific too black folk though the experience of existing in a country that has been (and seemingly still) both conspired against and been openly hostile to people of color generally & black folk specifically has a created a maybe not so healthy skepticism that is particular to black folk
 
Anything of the sort will never happen. Too much power in the federal government
 
tay1 said:
Anything of the sort will never happen. Too much power in the federal government
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There are too many examples throughout history of seemingly impossible-to-stop large governments falling to rebels, resistance, and secessionists for me to believe that.
No one is too big fall.
They don't call Afghanistan the "graveyard of empires" for no reason.
 
don adidada said:
There are too many examples throughout history of seemingly impossible-to-stop large governments falling to rebels, resistance, and secessionists for me to believe that.
No one is too big fall.
They don't call Afghanistan the "graveyard of empires" for no reason.
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Those articles seemed to be more about the breaking up of the country instead of the crumbling of an empire
 
tay1 said:
Those articles seemed to be more about the breaking up of the country instead of the crumbling of an empire
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Don't look at the outer forms but the underlying concepts. Conceptually and principally the US is crumbling just like the Empires of old. Internal strife, overextended military, corrupt leadership. It's the same story.

Like Mark Twain once said (allegedly at least), “History doesn’t repeat itself but it often rhymes.”
 
big panda said:
The breaking up of the country would be the crumbling of an empire, America is the modern day rome
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Well yeah, but I dont ever see any states seceding. Even if a State, most likely a southern one, would want to separate, the federal government would squash that **** so ******* fast it wouldn't even be funny. And punish that state as a result.

don adidada said:
Don't look at the outer forms but the underlying concepts. Conceptually and principally the US is crumbling just like the Empires of old. Internal strife, overextended military, corrupt leadership. It's the same story.

Like Mark Twain once said (allegedly at least), “History doesn’t repeat itself but it often rhymes.”
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I'm not saying America is impervious to crumbling but none of those issues are new to this country. This country was founded on internal strife, among other factors. Corrupt leaders being prevalent in how we see it today spans decades, as well as our military presence. These factors have been prevalent for the longest. Honestly, for America to crumble, there would need to be a disruption in the relationship between the countries we rely on.
 
don adidada said:
I fear the worst is building under our noses.

These are by no means mainstream outlets, but they don't have near zero readership either. For every active reader they have, I'm sure there are 10x more who haven't read it but have thought something similar.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/04/10/time-united-states-divorce-things-get-dangerous/

https://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2018/04/21/draft-n2473193
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These types of groups hate the government, but not for some freedom-loving reasons. They basically want a christian taliban (dominioniist) type of government with almost no rights or benefits for minorities, and to get rid of the "wealthy jewish bankers" influence over the politicians. Basically a government run by a bunch of Ted Cruz's and Sarah Palin's.
 
don adidada said:
I fear the worst is building under our noses.

These are by no means mainstream outlets, but they don't have near zero readership either. For every active reader they have, I'm sure there are 10x more who haven't read it but have thought something similar.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/04/10/time-united-states-divorce-things-get-dangerous/

https://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2018/04/21/draft-n2473193
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Its not going to happen organically but I could easily see it happening if a natural disaster or some massive event that made day to day life hard.

Americans are eating too good to have a Civil War.
 
goledensilence said:
I completely agree with this guy on the topic. Don’t know how to place the actual video.
https://www.pscp.tv/w/bazPcDFNV0V3T...AhOa5OU1y-tD7s_OOSdhcPo9yOX5Yf8PvlDI?t=11m42s
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Facts

The show is full of hypocrisies and I'm not surprised that they are kicking another brotha off the show.

My biggest issue is that they do not check the women that say highly problematic things on the show at all. I'm not even talking about that light Bruno Mars BS.

  • They were all "YASSS GIRRLLLL" when they were talking about grabbing random dudes pipes during a street harassment or some other male bashing episode. Basically co-signing sexual harassment towards men with no accountability and perpetuating the same issue that men are presenting towards women.
  • The women also co-sign color-ism when it comes to men (i.e light skin = soft) but if a man says he prefers lighter women he's cancelled.
  • There was no accountability on that body shaming episode when bbw's were boo-hooing over their weight like it was someone else's fault that their health was in shambles in their 20's and 30's. Then the show turned into a man-bashing show though dudes were out there providing help and support.
I can go on and on but basically without Mouse, Carl, Ayesha, and Seren you lose any type of masculine balance to the show. No offense to the other dudes on the show but the tend to either play the fence or are on the other side of the fence so there isn't balance. They should be there but they shouldn't be the majority. The rest of the women tend to have a man hating attitude which is toxic to the entire convo if black men are involved.

The grapevine has potential but if folks are just talking without providing solutions and having a mix of different types of black people in general then the show might as well be specific to black women complaining about the community rather than masking the show as something progressive.

One last thing, personally I learned alot from hearing Ayesha and Seren's perspective on various topics. They have effectively voiced their opinions about men without bashing and cutting down black masculinity. I personally think that their voices should be uplifted more so on these panels rather than the toxic opinions that others spew out without any solutions.
 
I like Seren. She was one of the few who held it down in that Stephen Clark topic.

They was just spewing dumb ****. How tf are you gonna sit out on an issue when they all matter. And they decided to sit out just because their feelings were hurt. That's childish. Acting out of emotion instead of reason. If the opposition discovers that folks will collectively decide which issues to stand for, it'll be used against us. Show is cool when men and women aren't the topic at hand.
 
illwill8710 said:
Facts

The show is full of hypocrisies and I'm not surprised that they are kicking another brotha off the show.

My biggest issue is that they do not check the women that say highly problematic things on the show at all. I'm not even talking about that light Bruno Mars BS.

  • They were all "YASSS GIRRLLLL" when they were talking about grabbing random dudes pipes during a street harassment or some other male bashing episode. Basically co-signing sexual harassment towards men with no accountability and perpetuating the same issue that men are presenting towards women.
  • The women also co-sign color-ism when it comes to men (i.e light skin = soft) but if a man says he prefers lighter women he's cancelled.
  • There was no accountability on that body shaming episode when bbw's were boo-hooing over their weight like it was someone else's fault that their health was in shambles in their 20's and 30's. Then the show turned into a man-bashing show though dudes were out there providing help and support.
I can go on and on but basically without Mouse, Carl, Ayesha, and Seren you lose any type of masculine balance to the show. No offense to the other dudes on the show but the tend to either play the fence or are on the other side of the fence so there isn't balance. They should be there but they shouldn't be the majority. The rest of the women tend to have a man hating attitude which is toxic to the entire convo if black men are involved.

The grapevine has potential but if folks are just talking without providing solutions and having a mix of different types of black people in general then the show might as well be specific to black women complaining about the community rather than masking the show as something progressive.

One last thing, personally I learned alot from hearing Ayesha and Seren's perspective on various topics. They have effectively voiced their opinions about men without bashing and cutting down black masculinity. I personally think that their voices should be uplifted more so on these panels rather than the toxic opinions that others spew out without any solutions.
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i check in from time to time if the topic is of interest (i caught the ones on the liberian slaves recently and randomly a discussion on hair types, both of which were really enlightening), but i feel like the thing that plagues that show, from what i've seen anyways, is there tend to be far too many voices...which often makes some of their discussion all the more scattered/unfocused; sometimes it results in something interesting but mostly circular...

because there are so many in the room, stuff get lost in the roulette of letting someone else get their shot (and there are at least a few #lowpercentageshooters in that joint in quite a few of the eps i've seen), even when they are addressing one another directly...so it is less of a discussion and more people taking turns talking
 




Chick-fil-A Franchise Owner Ashley Derby Honored by the Company

Earlier this year, Chick-fil-A franchise owner Ashley Lamothe Derby, C’2006, was awarded the company’s Symbol of Success, an honor reserved for Chick-fil-A operators whose businesses experience particularly high sales growth. Derby is the owner and operator of a Chick-fil-A near the University of Southern California in Los Angeles.

She began her career with Chick-fil-A at age 15, working at a restaurant in her hometown of Marietta, Georgia. After entering Spelman, she began working at a Chick-fil-A near campus. Noticing her work ethic, her restaurant operator pulled her aside and suggested that she consider a career in leadership with the company. She changed her major from theater to economics.

After graduating from Spelman, she spent the next three years completing numerous Chick-fil-A management and development programs. In 2011, at age 26, she became the youngest African-American female franchise owner in the history of the company. Now, she encourages employees at her restaurant to never give up on their goals.

“I want to help them get to where they want to go, whether it’s a career with Chick-fil-A, or studying law or medicine, or anything,” said Derby. “I want to help them make that next step, just like so many have done for me.”
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https://www.spelman.edu/alumnae/stories/stories/2017/06/16/ashley-derby
 
That's wassup. Two black women run chic fil a's that I know of.
 
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