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Difference between stealing and aspiring. I'd have a problem with someone trying to steal something of mines that I value for profit, but at the same time I wouldn't mind inspiring a new idea and/or venture. Nothing wrong with white rappers, something wrong with white rappers trying to emulate black rappers to profit from the field. Not a big thing, happens everyday, just won't get no love from me. Not my place to tell anyone how to act either, If I think it's a front then I think it's a front. Like everyone out here wearing Dashiki's now that are US born and have no acclaim to the tradition or being born/raised in a family that holds those values and buying from US manufactured companies trying to upsell on black pride, I think that's appropriation and trying to sell yourself on something you're not/ and not appreciationit's a few weeks old but i thought it an interesting write up, is there a responsibility a white artist or otherwise 'other/outside' has to the progenitors of the hip-hop/rap culture? is this culture appreciation or cultural appropriation? neither? does it even matter? should it matter? and do black & brown folk get an exemption to that same responsibility? the accompanying podcast expands/explains a little more on the theme of the article
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/arts/music/white-rappers-geazy-mike-stud.html?_r=0
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Difference between stealing and aspiring. I'd have a problem with someone trying to steal something of mines that I value for profit, but at the same time I wouldn't mind inspiring a new idea and/or venture. Nothing wrong with white rappers, something wrong with white rappers trying to emulate black rappers to profit from the field. Not a big thing, happens everyday, just won't get no love from me. Not my place to tell anyone how to act either, If I think it's a front then I think it's a front. Like everyone out here wearing Dashiki's now that are US born and have no acclaim to the tradition or being born/raised in a family that holds those values and buying from US manufactured companies trying to upsell on black pride, I think that's appropriation and trying to sell yourself on something you're not/ and not appreciation
how can one really tell the difference in intention between inspiration & the outright jackmove? the (in)famous quote "good artists copy, great artists steal" also comes to mind here...one of the interesting topics of the piece was how this new 'breed' of white rappers kinda exist totally apart from & outside of, what would be considered 'mainstream' hip-hop; such that they don't have & aren't looking for the hip-hop co-sign necessarily, have their own fans (who aren't necessarily fans of hip-hop), and can tour. whereas in the past most white rappers had a co-sign, or came from some proximity to/or seeking to be a part of the 'culture' and how this is something of a new phenomenon for hip-hop, on its face it is just cats making the music of the day; what, if anything do they 'owe' to the black & brown artists that originated the music? even if it is 'emulation for profit?' (one of the mentioned artist uses an adlib that is almost EXACTLY trey songz signature "yeah")
its funny you mentioned dashiki's, my og just came back from nigeria with a gang of these for the fam, i think because she has been seeing them be more popular here in the states...because it has been a long minute since she thought to bring us any traditional clothing (we're talking not since we were young kids), i don't know how anyone could make a distinction that any of us were wearing them as traditional garb or because it is trendy? and in this case it both things could be true; which may be the case for this crop of white rappers, they might have a genuine appreciation for the art/culture but also be motivated by the profit(s)...how much in either case, should the dashiki clad person & the white rapper assert/show they appreciate meaning/roots of wearing a dashiki or performing an art that has traditionally been performed by people of color?
the point about a u.s. company trying to capitalize on black pride, would definitely be closer to appropriation though that is what business does, it is up to the consumers to either pressure business to make good on that appropriation or not support it or decide that the issue of appropriation doesn't trump their fashion concerns...
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black/brown people don't own Hip-hop or Rap.
to me, the problem with these type of talking points is that they generally lack context, nuance, or anything resembling a well multifaceted articulation of the issues...everything just becomes an oversimplification of a complex set of circumstances...and no acknowledgement of how these issues came to be...it's really depressing