Black Culture Discussion Thread

[luckyluchiano]

Yea...i'm not gonna attempt to justify slavery in ANY situation.

"Well, they had slaves in Africa too."

"OK.THAT was wrong too, bruh! That doesn't make it cool."

Nobody is justifying anything, point blank.

Slavery in Africa was not the same concept of What the Europeans had planned which is why Europeans were able to capitalize on the Green of many tribal leaders, other groups fought the Europeans and were taken by force or were able to fend off the Europeans. Ol dude is speaking as all all Africans sold slaves all willy nilly like they knew what was going on in the Western world.

 

[Brownstone]

I recommend EVERY black person read invisible man by Ralph Ellison. Won national book of the year, and is a perfect representation of the unspoken 2nd class compartment we are placed in. As much as we like to say our problems are numerous (which they are) I feel a lot can be solved by reading and creating a common conscious among blacks in America. If you have 1 individual reading David Foster Wallace and another watching Maury, how are we going to relate to one another?

 

[tay1]

 

My book list is long as is. These will be read though.

 

[knowledgebones72]

Yea...i'm not gonna attempt to justify slavery in ANY situation.

"Well, they had slaves in Africa too."

"OK.THAT was wrong too, bruh! That doesn't make it cool."

Nobody is justifying anything, point blank.

Slavery in Africa was not the same concept of What the Europeans had planned which is why Europeans were able to capitalize on the Green of many tribal leaders, other groups fought the Europeans and were taken by force or were able to fend off the Europeans. Ol dude is speaking as all all Africans sold slaves all willy nilly like they knew what was going on in the Western world.

To be honest, bruh, it's not even worth it for me to look into all the differences.

I totally understand that it was practiced a totally different way in different cultures. Hell, in Ancient Greece some of the most well traveled and educated people were slaves. I read Things Fall Apart and how that one dude the main character looked after was Igbo culture's version of a slave.

Thing is, slavery is slavery. I'm not gonna touch it with a ten foot pole. I'm just gonna lump it all together as a really bad thing that should be avoided by any ethical human being.

 

[hand2handking]

slaves in africa were rival warriors not women and children

 

[tay1]

To be honest, bruh, it's not even worth it for me to look into all the differences.

I totally understand that it was practiced a totally different way in different cultures. Hell, in Ancient Greece some of the most well traveled and educated people were slaves. I read Things Fall Apart and how that one dude the main character looked after was Igbo culture's version of a slave.

Thing is, slavery is slavery. I'm not gonna touch it with a ten foot pole. I'm just gonna lump it all together as a really bad thing that should be avoided by any ethical human being.

It is and it isn't. Aside from people of rival tribes at war, most slaves were treated like family from what I've read. They didn't dehumanize them, like European slavery did.

 

[knowledgebones72]

Slavery is Slavery, guys.

There's really no point in even trying to look all into it.

Like, why? So we can say "Our slavery was better"?

C'mon, guys. Worrying about who's slavery was more civilized than whose is worthless, and gums up conversations with empty attempts at historical/cultural brownie points.

 

[knowledgebones72]

I'm bout to dive into that Black Panther book list, by the way. Looks crazy good.

 

[tay1]

Slavery is Slavery, guys.

There's really no point in even trying to look all into it.

Like, why? So we can say "Our slavery was better"?

C'mon, guys. Worrying about who's slavery was more civilized than whose is worthless, and gums up conversations with empty attempts at historical/cultural brownie points.

There's also no point in trying to ignore the differences

 

[luckyluchiano]

Slavery is Slavery, guys.

There's really no point in even trying to look all into it.

Like, why? So we can say "Our slavery was better"?

C'mon, guys. Worrying about who's slavery was more civilized than whose is worthless, and gums up conversations with empty attempts at historical/cultural brownie points.

Nah Slavery isn't slavery. Africans didn't try to wipe out a slaves knowledge of self , force religion on them, dehumanize them, etc. If a tribe went to war and lost those men were captured point blank and used for labor.

 

[hand2handking]

only by looking into it, studying it, knowing it,  can we make sure we dont repeat it

 

[iamjusayn]

Nobody is justifying anything, point blank.

Slavery in Africa was not the same concept of What the Europeans had planned which is why Europeans were able to capitalize on the Green of many tribal leaders, other groups fought the Europeans and were taken by force or were able to fend off the Europeans. Ol dude is speaking as all all Africans sold slaves all willy nilly like they knew what was going on in the Western world.

Say man! Either this dude is playing around or he is professor Clarence Walker live in flesh! I seriously cannot tell the difference.

It would behoove us to ignore dude.

 

[knowledgebones72]

Slavery is Slavery, guys.


There's really no point in even trying to look all into it.


Like, why? So we can say "Our slavery was better"?


C'mon, guys. Worrying about who's slavery was more civilized than whose is worthless, and gums up conversations with empty attempts at historical/cultural brownie points.

There's also no point in trying to ignore the differences

Yea there is.

I look at the past, and understand that, even though we may have had more respect for eachother than Europeans in that sense, we were still not at our highest potential as people if we were still engaged in holding eachother captive in perpetuity.

That doesn't mean that ALL cultures weren't doing it.

But when I'm looking back at my people, I don't go "meh slavery was cool because it was this way and that way"

I look back and go "wow our culture was so amazing and had so much farther to go. if only it weren't cut short."

 

[tay1]

Yea there is.

I look at the past, and understand that, even though we may have had more respect for eachother than Europeans in that sense, we were still not at our highest potential as people if we were still engaged in holding eachother captive in perpetuity.

That doesn't mean that ALL cultures weren't doing it.

But when I'm looking back at my people, I don't go "meh slavery was cool because it was this way and that way"

I look back and go "wow our culture was so amazing and had so much farther to go. if only it weren't cut short."

Nobody has said that or is saying that

 

[knowledgebones72]

Yea there is.


I look at the past, and understand that, even though we may have had more respect for eachother than Europeans in that sense, we were still not at our highest potential as people if we were still engaged in holding eachother captive in perpetuity.


That doesn't mean that ALL cultures weren't doing it.


But when I'm looking back at my people, I don't go "meh slavery was cool because it was this way and that way"


I look back and go "wow our culture was so amazing and had so much farther to go. if only it weren't cut short."

Nobody has said that or is saying that

So what are we saying?

Are we not saying "Our slavery wasn't as bad"?

Why does that statement not sound like a cop out?

Slavery is slavery.

If there's one thing I'm not, it's an apologist for Europeans. But that doesn't mean I don't view things objectively.

 

[tay1]

So what are we saying?

Are we not saying "Or slavery wasn't as bad"?

Why does that statement not sound like a cop out?

Slavery is slavery.

If there's one thing I'm not, it's an apologist for Europeans. But that doesn't mean I don't view things objectively.

Sure

 

[luckyluchiano]

So what are we saying?

Are we not saying "Or slavery wasn't as bad"?

Why does that statement not sound like a cop out?

Slavery is slavery.

If there's one thing I'm not, it's an apologist for Europeans. But that doesn't mean I don't view things objectively.

Once again, nobody is saying any slavery is good we are stating there is a difference point blank.

Let me ask you, would you find it more justifiable if Rival tribes simply slaughtered all of the men of the losing tribes instead of giving them life as a laborer? In war whether you like it or not things can be justified because its a me or you situation, but the European Slave trade was an entirely different ball game.

My Ancestors came from Mali after the fall of Timbuktu and pushed the Kru tribe of Northern Liberia to the coast where they are now, do you think my tribe did not keep POWs to use for Labor and help them adapt to the new land?

 

[Senoj]

 

Great video but the black dudes face at 12:40 got me rollin

 

[knowledgebones72]

So what are we saying?

Are we not saying "Or slavery wasn't as bad"?

Why does that statement not sound like a cop out?

Slavery is slavery.

If there's one thing I'm not, it's an apologist for Europeans. But that doesn't mean I don't view things objectively.

Once again, nobody is saying any slavery is good we are stating there is a difference point blank.

Let me ask you, would you find it more justifiable if Rival tribes simply slaughtered all of the men of the losing tribes instead of giving them life as a laborer? In war whether you like it or not things can be justified because its a me or you situation, but the European Slave trade was an entirely different ball game.

My Ancestors came from Mali after the fall of Timbuktu and pushed the Kru tribe of Northern Liberia to the coast where they are now, do you think my tribe did not keep POWs to use for Labor and help them adapt to the new land?

You're gonna say "In war whether or not things can be justified."

Well, white people waged a war on us and justified it on their own terms.

That doesn't make Western slavery any less brutal.

I'm sure that the ultimate goal all of our ancestors across the continent was peace amongst the tribes at some eventual point in the future, but that never happened.

I don't get why I can't criticize my own people for participating in war and slavery.

 

[hand2handking]

I don't get why I can't criticize my own people for participating in war and slavery.

you can criticize but at the same time realize that as humans, things like war and slavery will occur over resources/land etc

however, what differentiates what we are calling "western" slavery is the systematic, institutionalized, and capitalist nature of it

 

[knowledgebones72]

I don't get why I can't criticize my own people for participating in war and slavery.

you can criticize but at the same time realize that as humans, things like war and slavery will occur over resources/land etc

however, what differentiates what we are calling "western" slavery is the systematic, institutionalized, and capitalist nature of it

If I'm having a conversation with someone on our people and how we can not only improve our culture but in how our past can help us, discussing the differences in African and European slavery would be a complete waste of ten minutes. Out of all valuable lessons from our past, the only lesson there is "slavery is not cool" and "the methods of holding POWs should be completely re-evaluated so that if we find ourselves in a situation where other nations are willing to take them off our hands, we do not view this as a viable option."

 

[hand2handking]

yea i hear u there is no point to delineatiing the differences, but just knowing that there is a distinction is enough, it doesnt even need to be said

 

[iamjusayn]

Good post with that list Julius

 

[am1x90xnike]

First of all, look at modern Adrica, they rape virgins in the hopes it'll remove their aids...but that was some European ish? Nah...and the term is Chattel slavery, Greeks practiced a different form of slavery so European wouldn't be a correct name.

Some slaves in America were treated like family. Y'all ever been to the south? The racism there is soooo different than you would think.

But fact is, they owned other people, owning people is wrong, no matter how well they were treated..

'Only men and not women and children' you got to be the dumbest. A) then how did the women and children get here also? B) have you ever read anything on what happens when one nation conquers another? Them womenZ is sex slaves b, everytime, all the time.

I'm not saying it was every African, obviously some had to be slaves, some ok fought, some profited. But, all are part of African history. This is called 'romanticization' when you believe only the good in something.

Long story short. History should be studied but not in excess. It's to be learned from but not to become shackle of the present. We are not that people, we are unique and great in our own right. Let them have that, the good and the bad, we have our thing.

 

[hand2handking]

First of all, look at modern Adrica, they rape women to get aids out of them...but that was some European ish...and the terms Chattel slavery, Greeks practiced a different form of slavery so European wouldn't be a correct name.

Some slaves in Anerica were treated like family. Y'all ever been to the south? The racism there is soooo different than you would think.

But fact is, they owned other people... 'Only men and not women and children' you got to be the dumbest. A) then how did the women and children get here also? B) have you ever read anything on what happens when one nation conquers another? Them womenZ is sex slaves b, everytime, all the time.

I'm not saying it was every African, obviously some had to be slaves, some ok fought, some profited. But, all are part of African history. This is called 'romanticization' when you believe only the good in something.

Long story short. History should be studied but not in excess. It's to be learned from but not to become shackle of the present. We are not that people, we are unique and great in our own right. Let them have that, the good and the bad, we have our thing.

the discussion was slavery among africans