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What are some good spots for NY? Gonna be there in July

Sights
NY MOMA (my favorite museum in NYC)
Tourist spots = Times Square + 5th Ave shopping + Bryant Park + Rockefeller Center + World Trade Center
Walk on the Highline
Gallery hopping in Chelsea

Food
Vanessa Dumpling (Eldridge St. - roast duck sandwich + fried dumplings)
Nan Xiang (dim sum)
Ippudo (near St Mark's Place -- I dig the cold ramen)
Izakaya NoMad (Japanese yakitori spot)
Brindle Room (juicy burger)
Emily's (pizza + Emmy burger)
Prince Street Pizza (pepperoni pizza)
Parisi Bakery (chicken cutlet + prosciutto sandwich)
Halal Guys (53rd/6th chicken/lamb rice)
Fette Sau (Brooklyn BBQ)
Sunny and Annie's (pho sandwich)
Katz Deli (pastrami sandwich + pickles)
Russ & Daughters (lox on everything bagel)
Ruffian (rotating dinner menu)
Meatball Shop (chicken meatballs + pesto)
Sake Bar Decibel (small grungy bar)
Raines Law Room (speakeasy cocktails)
Milk Bar East Village (cereal milk ice cream)
Big Gay Ice Cream (anything there)
Dominique Ansel Bakery (baked goods)

 

[shibadekobe]

Sights
NY MOMA (my favorite museum in NYC)
Tourist spots = Times Square + 5th Ave shopping + Bryant Park + Rockefeller Center + World Trade Center
Walk on the Highline
Gallery hopping in Chelsea

Food
Vanessa Dumpling (Eldridge St. - roast duck sandwich + fried dumplings)
Nan Xiang (dim sum)
Ippudo (near St Mark's Place -- I dig the cold ramen)
Izakaya NoMad (Japanese yakitori spot)
Brindle Room (juicy burger)
Emily's (pizza + Emmy burger)
Prince Street Pizza (pepperoni pizza)
Parisi Bakery (chicken cutlet + prosciutto sandwich)
Halal Guys (53rd/6th chicken/lamb rice)
Fette Sau (Brooklyn BBQ)
Sunny and Annie's (pho sandwich)
Katz Deli (pastrami sandwich + pickles)
Russ & Daughters (lox on everything bagel)
Ruffian (rotating dinner menu)
Meatball Shop (chicken meatballs + pesto)
Sake Bar Decibel (small grungy bar)
Raines Law Room (speakeasy cocktails)
Milk Bar East Village (cereal milk ice cream)
Big Gay Ice Cream (anything there)
Dominique Ansel Bakery (baked goods)

Pizza... https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/25/dining/una-pizza-napoletana-new-york.html
SF was so sad to see Anthony go back home.

 

[shogun]

I’m a bad NY’er. I only go to the city for people’s birthday dinners or happy hour at karaoke bars.

 

[HellaSteph]

I'm a bad SF'er. I won't go to places in SF I can't reach via public transit because I refuse to drive into the city for any reason for anyone.

 

[Roderick Kingsley]

I don’t mind driving in the city if it’s NOT downtown (because I refuse to pay $$ for parking). I guess I’m just used to the traffic. *shrug* But if it’s reachable by public transportation, I’m not driving.

I am not very reliable on muni, however I guess I’m a bad SFer in that sense.

 

[equality]

Sights
NY MOMA (my favorite museum in NYC)
Tourist spots = Times Square + 5th Ave shopping + Bryant Park + Rockefeller Center + World Trade Center
Walk on the Highline
Gallery hopping in Chelsea

Food
Vanessa Dumpling (Eldridge St. - roast duck sandwich + fried dumplings)
Nan Xiang (dim sum)
Ippudo (near St Mark's Place -- I dig the cold ramen)
Izakaya NoMad (Japanese yakitori spot)
Brindle Room (juicy burger)
Emily's (pizza + Emmy burger)
Prince Street Pizza (pepperoni pizza)
Parisi Bakery (chicken cutlet + prosciutto sandwich)
Halal Guys (53rd/6th chicken/lamb rice)
Fette Sau (Brooklyn BBQ)
Sunny and Annie's (pho sandwich)
Katz Deli (pastrami sandwich + pickles)
Russ & Daughters (lox on everything bagel)
Ruffian (rotating dinner menu)
Meatball Shop (chicken meatballs + pesto)
Sake Bar Decibel (small grungy bar)
Raines Law Room (speakeasy cocktails)
Milk Bar East Village (cereal milk ice cream)
Big Gay Ice Cream (anything there)
Dominique Ansel Bakery (baked goods)

KatzDeli and Russ & Daughters were so good they nearly made me cry forreal.

 

[wuchi01]

If you study the Japanese occupation in Taiwan, you'd be surprised at how well they treated Taiwan. Hence why Taiwanese have a different perspective of WW2.

Complete 180 compared to Korea and Mainland China.

Study a little more. Let's not gloss over the Occupation period as wonderful time because some locals have bit stockholm syndrome.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_under_Japanese_rule

 

[sfc415]

I'm a bad SF'er. I won't go to places in SF I can't reach via public transit because I refuse to drive into the city for any reason for anyone.

I drive to work every day because I have a secret illegal parking spot. It's a 2 hour parking, but I've been parking there 8-10 hours a day for free for the past year. It's on top of a hill that those MTA carts and bikes completely avoid due to the steepness. I've seen them drive by the street without even attempting to go up it.

It's a bit of a leg workout but I refuse to take BART or Muni unless it's an emergency. I'd rather take an Lyft carpool that takes 20 mins than spend 5-10 minutes on those filthy trains and buses. I wouldn't work in the city if I didn't get reimbursed for parking (which my company offers for me and the other accountant, but I'd rather not pay anything at any time)/have free parking.

 

[W)taps]

Study a little more. Let's not gloss over the Occupation period as wonderful time because some locals have bit stockholm syndrome.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_under_Japanese_rule

tells me to study more, uses wiki as a reference. you gotta do better than that.

but my sentence was a bit misleading/worded incorrectly. im not saying the taiwanese were treated like kings and queens from the Japanese. they went through horrific events as well.

but compared to what mainland China and Korea went through, its not surprising why many Taiwanese people dont look negatively on Japan.

 

[wuchi01]

tells me to study more, uses wiki as a reference. you gotta do better than that.

but my sentence was a bit misleading/worded incorrectly. im not saying the taiwanese were treated like kings and queens from the Japanese. they went through horrific events as well.

but compared to what mainland China and Korea went through, its not surprising why many Taiwanese people dont look negatively on Japan.

Don't take my initial reply as a personal attack. The wiki link was just a simplified counterpoint to what you said, quick and to the main idea: the actions of Imperial Japan are horrific and indefensible. Not all people on Island accepted their rule.
Aren't you Korean (if I'm wrong, please correct. Serious.). So if I pointed out the "good" aspects of Imperial Japan's occupation and treatment of Koreans, what would the reaction be?
What was there to compare? Less domination?
That was all.

 

[Nawzlew]

I think we can just agree that the relationship between Japan and Korea and Japan and Taiwan were very different.

 

[HellaSteph]

I am not very reliable on muni, however I guess I’m a bad SFer in that sense.

I don't do MUNI. I can never find where the bus stops are marked because in the South Bay, it's actual signs. In SF, they paint them on the poles and sometimes it's faded enough that I can't see/read it well. Then the crowded buses just don't make it easier on me.

I drive to work every day because I have a secret illegal parking spot. It's a 2 hour parking, but I've been parking there 8-10 hours a day for free for the past year. It's on top of a hill that those MTA carts and bikes completely avoid due to the steepness. I've seen them drive by the street without even attempting to go up it.

I'm surprised those MUNI bus cameras don't catch you. My friend double parked in Chinatown (I know, I know) and the MUNI bus went around her. She got a double park/illegally parked ticket in the mail the next week with the photo of her car and her in it.

I think we can just agree that the relationship between Japan and Korea and Japan and Taiwan were very different.

I'm with this. I know history is sordid sometimes. With my personal experience and understanding of my parents' culture, the relationship between Northern Vietnamese and Southern Vietnamese is very different, even to this very day. Stuff happens but we can't continue to punish each other for things we (our generation) weren't even born into.

I think acknowledging our mistakes and being open to dialogue (means listening AND speaking) is the key to becoming more unified in a positive friendship, and not in animosity.

 

[HellaSteph]

For the Chinese/Taiwanese/Korean people here, did you grow up with some older people in your community giving you ideas of how Southeast Asian people are inferior? I know it's a common thing among Chinese and Taiwan, as a lot of maids are Viet/Filipino/Thai/Cambodian.

I used to believe it when I was young and didn't know any better. Some of the **** these older traditional cats say would be so out of bounds in today's world.

Not to mention Viet/Filipino girls Buddha have mercy on my soul

It's the pecking order in the Asian world. It's always a few Asian groups that assume superiority for superficial reasons.

- I've been told by my Chinese friends' parents that they don't want "stinky Viets" in their house. They slammed the door on me when I visited. I was 11 years old.
- My cousin got told by her half Japanese/half Korean college boyfriend that his family flat out told him "he can do better than a Vietnamese."
- I'm Viet but I'm married into a very American - Japanese / Chinese / Filipino family. They are 5 generations born in CA, in the Bay Area. My kids are completely mutt-nese. We don't see it like the old school folks anymore.

From my understanding, a lot of their misinterpretations are that Vietnamese are poor, uneducated, out to scam, gang bangers, habitual gamblers, perpetuate crime, etc. Obviously this stereotype is completely biased towards a very small portion of that group. I never really believed it when I was young but I went out and learned how to be open minded.

 

[equality]

It's the pecking order in the Asian world. It's always a few Asian groups that assume superiority for superficial reasons.

- I've been told by my Chinese friends' parents that they don't want "stinky Viets" in their house. They slammed the door on me when I visited. I was 11 years old.
- My cousin got told by her half Japanese/half Korean college boyfriend that his family flat out told him "he can do better than a Vietnamese."
- I'm Viet but I'm married into a very American - Japanese / Chinese / Filipino family. They are 5 generations born in CA, in the Bay Area. My kids are completely mutt-nese. We don't see it like the old school folks anymore.

From my understanding, a lot of their misinterpretations are that Vietnamese are poor, uneducated, out to scam, gang bangers, habitual gamblers, perpetuate crime, etc. Obviously this stereotype is completely biased towards a very small portion of that group. I never really believed it when I was young but I went out and learned how to be open minded.

This is awesome. The food when you have family gatherings must be out of this world.

And this is why I don't get along with my father. A well-intentioned person, does well and works hard but holds onto old, outdated, stupid illogical ideologies. Gets mad when people in Taiwan talk about Japan in a good way, still bitter about the rape of Nanking, thinks Viets/Cambodians are less educated etc. We need to acknowledge history and the importance of the effects from historical events, but need to let go of old stupid disputes if we're going to make any progress.

 

[W)taps]

Don't take my initial reply as a personal attack. The wiki link was just a simplified counterpoint to what you said, quick and to the main idea: the actions of Imperial Japan are horrific and indefensible. Not all people on Island accepted their rule.
Aren't you Korean (if I'm wrong, please correct. Serious.). So if I pointed out the "good" aspects of Imperial Japan's occupation and treatment of Koreans, what would the reaction be?
What was there to compare? Less domination?
That was all.

Yes, Im korean. And in no way am I writing this to sound "smart"/arrogant or anything like that but I majored in E. Asian history so Japanese imperialism is something im very familiar with.

Im not gonna compare either occupations cause thats gonna lead to an essay. lets just leave it this

I think we can just agree that the relationship between Japan and Korea and Japan and Taiwan were very different.

 

[sfc415]

I don't do MUNI. I can never find where the bus stops are marked because in the South Bay, it's actual signs. In SF, they paint them on the poles and sometimes it's faded enough that I can't see/read it well. Then the crowded buses just don't make it easier on me.

I'm surprised those MUNI bus cameras don't catch you. My friend double parked in Chinatown (I know, I know) and the MUNI bus went around her. She got a double park/illegally parked ticket in the mail the next week with the photo of her car and her in it.

The buses don't go up the street I park on. If there weren't so many Bay Area NTers I'd share the location, but I'm worried about my spot being blown up and revealed to too many people and not being able to find a spot anymore

It's not really an "illegal" parking in the sense that I'm double parked, blocking a driveway, parking in a red zone, etc. . I just stay in a 2 hour sidewalk parking for as long as I want.
It's similar to this; I park on the higher end of a similar street

The first few times I did it though, my legs were on fire by the time I got to my car . I've gotten used to it now

I've seen MTA carts/bikes roll by and look up the hill like "Nah I don't get paid enough for this @#$@". All the cars at the bottom of the hill get tickets though

 

[williamontana]

Sights
NY MOMA (my favorite museum in NYC)
Tourist spots = Times Square + 5th Ave shopping + Bryant Park + Rockefeller Center + World Trade Center
Walk on the Highline
Gallery hopping in Chelsea

Food
Vanessa Dumpling (Eldridge St. - roast duck sandwich + fried dumplings)
Nan Xiang (dim sum)
Ippudo (near St Mark's Place -- I dig the cold ramen)
Izakaya NoMad (Japanese yakitori spot)
Brindle Room (juicy burger)
Emily's (pizza + Emmy burger)
Prince Street Pizza (pepperoni pizza)
Parisi Bakery (chicken cutlet + prosciutto sandwich)
Halal Guys (53rd/6th chicken/lamb rice)
Fette Sau (Brooklyn BBQ)
Sunny and Annie's (pho sandwich)
Katz Deli (pastrami sandwich + pickles)
Russ & Daughters (lox on everything bagel)
Ruffian (rotating dinner menu)
Meatball Shop (chicken meatballs + pesto)
Sake Bar Decibel (small grungy bar)
Raines Law Room (speakeasy cocktails)
Milk Bar East Village (cereal milk ice cream)
Big Gay Ice Cream (anything there)
Dominique Ansel Bakery (baked goods)

Repped bro. What about some bars/clubs for nightlife?

 

[Fozz]

I don’t mind driving in the city if it’s NOT downtown (because I refuse to pay $$ for parking). I guess I’m just used to the traffic. *shrug* But if it’s reachable by public transportation, I’m not driving.

I am not very reliable on muni, however I guess I’m a bad SFer in that sense.

Man, the one week I had to take Muni, I ended up taking an afternoon trip through SF lol.

 

[sfc415]

Muni is disgusting. They let all sorts of foul characters on there Caltrain is the only public transportation I'll get on around here. Too bad it's slow and only goes to the central parts of each area

 

[sfsjjang98]

Yes, Im korean. And in no way am I writing this to sound "smart"/arrogant or anything like that but I majored in E. Asian history so Japanese imperialism is something im very familiar with.

Im not gonna compare either occupations cause thats gonna lead to an essay. lets just leave it this

^ This.

I've also studied, minored, and majored with a concentration in E. Asian Econ/Sociology/History. Still regret it to this day (jk sorta).

I used to get into with Kor-Ams, other Asians, Japanese, and Japanese-Americans over modern E. Asian history. Always led to dissertation level presentations and lectures lol.

Korea, Japan, and America all have very unique perspectives on the Imperialism (obviously, I know). But the truth is there are certain aspects that are glaringly missing or downplayed. The same could be said for Korea though. I'd say, in Korea, politics and socio-economics are the driving forces behind what is taught and how.

I think it's sad that this generation will never hear first hand stories from the generation that lived through it.

 

[bigjny88]

I know how you guys opinions on the Fung Bros (or any of those Asian hypebeast-esque YouTubers) are, but hell..........I mean, a lot of what he is saying is stuff we have discussed here in this very thread several pages back

 

[wuchi01]

Yes, Im korean. And in no way am I writing this to sound "smart"/arrogant or anything like that but I majored in E. Asian history so Japanese imperialism is something im very familiar with.

Im not gonna compare either occupations cause thats gonna lead to an essay. lets just leave it this

^ This.

I've also studied, minored, and majored with a concentration in E. Asian Econ/Sociology/History. Still regret it to this day (jk sorta).

I used to get into with Kor-Ams, other Asians, Japanese, and Japanese-Americans over modern E. Asian history. Always led to dissertation level presentations and lectures lol.

Korea, Japan, and America all have very unique perspectives on the Imperialism (obviously, I know). But the truth is there are certain aspects that are glaringly missing or downplayed. The same could be said for Korea though. I'd say, in Korea, politics and socio-economics are the driving forces behind what is taught and how.

I think it's sad that this generation will never hear first hand stories from the generation that lived through it.

Just saw. Understand where both of you are coming from and appreciate the civil conversation. I'm prob older than you (GenX 80s kid), originally from Midwest but used to live in Bay Area. So my perspective bit different.
One of best things about finding this Thread after so many years is the fact that we can have meaningful discussions.

 

[equality]

This might legit be the most civil thread on NT where disagreements are always calm and never gets heated. We living up to the model minority standards

And as the OP of the thread I’m taking alc the credit. (Jk)

 

[Xennial]

Fung Bros made it

 

[Roderick Kingsley]

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