Are you the 99% ? - Wallstreet Come Get It...

[al audi]

Originally Posted by Big J 33

Originally Posted by CurbYourEnthusiasm

HankMoody wrote:

  

Much respect to the both of you... eNPHAN, good to see you again.
I wouldn't even know where to begin with ksteezy, the arrogance and ignorance is baffling.

i dont even wanna believe its him......
that (&#$ crazy to me.

 

[curbyourenthusiasm]

man i had a long drawn out response and my browser refreshed...

imma just throw this at you tho, steezy

don't point fingers at some CEO who's doing the same thing any of us would do given the opportunity.
THE OPPORTUNITY BEING IMPOSSIBLE TO ATTAIN FOR 99% OF THE POPULATION IS THE ENTIRE REASON FOR OUTRAGE

you DO think youre better than people b

you just said the difference between you and your wife is that you made better decisions than she did.

im somewhat putting words in your mouth, but one can only logically assume from your statements that making better decisions which result with you being better off in society would make you a better person....(in your mind)

the ONLY  difference between the 1% and the 99% is good and bad decisions. (in your mind)

the 1% makes good decisions, the 99% make bad decisions....(in your mind)

but you're not going to go all out and say the people who made "better" decisions and live a "better" life because of it are actually better people?

just that you made better decisions and are better off in your better life?

yo, how good of a decision was it for all these banks to buy these toxic mortgage-backed loans?

oh.

they make great decisions.

 

[kix4kix]

Originally Posted by ksteezy

Hank you really believe all those people down on wall street even know what they are fighting for?...you really believe a big percent of them is not just looking for a handout to make up for the wrong choices they made??...these are the only people I have an issue with, maybe I should have made that clear.

So you don't know what they are fighting for, but you have an issue?


Why don't you give me your title to your home, and car so I can go to the casino? Nothing wrong with that right?....These are the types of things the banks were doing, and honestly, probably still are.

 

[ksteezy]

Originally Posted by Al Audi

Originally Posted by ksteezy

I don't consider myself better than anyone, let's get that !$%! straight, I believe we are all responsible for our own actions, we shape our own future...I'm sure we would all benefit from getting some sort of bail out, school loans paid off, interests dropped, tax cuts, who wouldn't love any of that??...my thing is WE dug ourselves this whole....you are in debt because you put yourself there, you have a masters in some BS career because YOU chose to go that route...don't point fingers at some CEO who's doing the same thing any of us would do given the opportunity.

steezy man
its almost like youre going back and forth, you say you recognize there is a problem but then you say this basically what you have said already is that ppl (you, I, anyone, in general) you make your choices and its all on you.

so im confused on your stance do you believe we have a problem or not? deal the cards that are dealt???

dont point fingers at CEOs who would all do the same if we were given the opportunity? man dont generalize man, just like you cant generalize all the protesters, im sure there are some stupid ppl who made bad choices out there or have no work ethnic an just want a hand out but c'mon son.......is that really you behind the PC?

I recognize there is a problem, but I feel as messed up as this "system" we have is, it's still lightyears ahead of that of other countries, and I appreciate that and feel those that don't are just sheltered/weak individuals...I feel there is still an opportunity to make a good living by making smart choices...how much money John Doe CEO makes is irrelevant to me...I still have a job, I still can support myself, to me that sounds like jealousy more than anything...I'm sure he did something "right" in his life to get to where he is today and he's entitled to it....just like Jay, Diddy, Dr. Applebaum...etc.And like I said, don't expect a perfect system ran by a flawed species.

 

[curbyourenthusiasm]

Originally Posted by ksteezy

you really believe a big percent of them is not just looking for a handout to make up for the wrong choices they made

  

arrogance.

this is the definition of arrogance.

you're also mad and whining, RIGHT NOW....


 the trust in the system was that if i do a, b and c, like society asks, that i'll be able to live a comfortable life...

i was told throughout life that college graduates make an average of 40k a year..the most ive ever made in one year since graduating was 24k...

i dont know anyone making anything near that.....the highest paid friends of mine just live in larger cities that are more expensive...

one dude used to make something around that, but he comes from an affluent family with opportunities not afforded to everyone regularly....and he got laid off...LMAO you think jc penny's board of directors took a 1% pay cut or they just laid him and thousands of other "paycheck-to-paycheck" employees off? oh.


on one hand you call people sheep, but then say you play the cards dealt to you, knowing the deck is stacked against you

if you wanted to make an NT-esque LULzy comment or quirk, just say that, but you're seriously like AGAINST the protesting of something you admit is wrong....

its crazy.

ive not once heard anyone related to these protests say "well, i want all my debt forgiven and i want a handout"

i just hear them saying its a travesty that this sliver of society holds more wealth than the entire population of the rest of us.....and they're not even showing remorse, in fact, its getting WORSE....

thats what this is about man

not about "oh, i wanna get rich by protesting wall street"

like, where did you even get that from?

 

[teamjordan79]

when u can't defend your argument, you can always attack the person

 

[ksteezy]

Originally Posted by CurbYourEnthusiasm

man i had a long drawn out response and my browser refreshed...

imma just throw this at you tho, steezy

don't point fingers at some CEO who's doing the same thing any of us would do given the opportunity.

THE OPPORTUNITY BEING IMPOSSIBLE TO ATTAIN FOR 99% OF THE POPULATION IS THE ENTIRE REASON FOR OUTRAGE

you DO think youre better than people b

you just said the difference between you and your wife is that you made better decisions than she did.

im somewhat putting words in your mouth, but one can only logically assume from your statements that making better decisions which result with you being better off in society would make you a better person....(in your mind)

the ONLY  difference between the 1% and the 99% is good and bad decisions. (in your mind)

the 1% makes good decisions, the 99% make bad decisions....(in your mind)

but you're not going to go all out and say the people who made "better" decisions and live a "better" life because of it are actually better people?

just that you made better decisions and are better off in your better life?

yo, how good of a decision was it for all these banks to buy these toxic mortgage-backed loans?

oh.

they make great decisions.


Son there are millions of people that have made even better choices than me, do I consider them to think that they are better than me?...what kind of logic is that?....I ask you again, what are YOU doing to change %@*@?....besides trying to alter my personal view on the issue?...-do you have a job?-can you walk into a hospital and not be turned away?-are you starving, because you can't afford food?Sir you are benefiting from the flawed system as we speak, what are you complaining about??....that someone else is getting paid more for less work?

once again DEAL WITH IT.

 

[kc24688]

Steezy I give you a lot of props for taking on this barage thrown at you. I personally have a decent job in a hospital and I'm in the process of getting a 4 year degree. I get what you're saying in the sense that people spend all their free time watching Jersey Shore instead of constantly learning to compete at the highest levels. I just sold my PS3 because I get where you're coming from. I think you just get lazy with your arguments at times and it makes you look bad. What I mean by it not being fair is that these people get away with crimes and we don't. That is not fair. They knowingly commit crimes waiting for the day that they have to pay a 1 million dollar fine after making $30 million in profit. So just because they made it to the top 1% they should be allowed to commit crimes and multiply themselves higher into that 1%? The government should be busting their cahones to get that money back so the rest of us can pay $29 million less in taxes, for example.

 

[ksteezy]

Originally Posted by CurbYourEnthusiasm

Originally Posted by ksteezy

you really believe a big percent of them is not just looking for a handout to make up for the wrong choices they made

  

arrogance.

this is the definition of arrogance.

you're also mad and whining, RIGHT NOW....


 the trust in the system was that if i do a, b and c, like society asks, that i'll be able to live a comfortable life...

i was told throughout life that college graduates make an average of 40k a year..the most ive ever made in one year since graduating was 24k...

i dont know anyone making anything near that.....the highest paid friends of mine just live in larger cities that are more expensive...

one dude used to make something around that, but he comes from an affluent family with opportunities not afforded to everyone regularly....and he got laid off...LMAO you think jc penny's board of directors took a 1% pay cut or they just laid him and thousands of other "paycheck-to-paycheck" employees off? oh.


on one hand you call people sheep, but then say you play the cards dealt to you, knowing the deck is stacked against you

if you wanted to make an NT-esque LULzy comment or quirk, just say that, but you're seriously like AGAINST the protesting of something you admit is wrong....

its crazy.

ive not once heard anyone related to these protests say "well, i want all my debt forgiven and i want a handout"

i just hear them saying its a travesty that this sliver of society holds more wealth than the entire population of the rest of us.....and they're not even showing remorse, in fact, its getting WORSE....

thats what this is about man

not about "oh, i wanna get rich by protesting wall street"

like, where did you even get that from?

Nah homie, YOU called me a sheep, not too much of a fan of the term, yet you just admitted to being a sheep yourself and blindly following a promise of one day after graduation it being worth it....job markets change, demands for certain carreers do as well, at one point you couldn't find a job in my field, now it's an abundance, that will soon change again....when that does and new grads get left out the loop, it will be to point fingers again.

 

[al audi]

Originally Posted by kc24688

Steezy I give you a lot of props for taking on this barage thrown at you. I personally have a decent job in a hospital and I'm in the process of getting a 4 year degree. I get what you're saying in the sense that people spend all their free time watching Jersey Shore instead of constantly learning to compete at the highest levels. I just sold my PS3 because I get where you're coming from. I think you just get lazy with your arguments at times and it makes you look bad. What I mean by it not being fair is that these people get away with crimes and we don't. That is not fair. They knowingly commit crimes waiting for the day that they have to pay a 1 million dollar fine after making $30 million in profit. So just because they made it to the top 1% they should be allowed to commit crimes and multiply themselves higher into that 1%? The government should be busting their cahones to get that money back so the rest of us can pay $29 million less in taxes, for example.

he has already state if we were in the same position all of us here would do the same.
so basically humans in general are selfish/greedy steezy huh?

 

[kc24688]

I didn't really read all that much I mean obviously I don't agree with doing the same. I was just trying to make my post less of an attack and more of an educational post. Hopefully other people can see what I was getting at.

 

[ksteezy]

Originally Posted by kc24688

Steezy I give you a lot of props for taking on this barage thrown at you. I personally have a decent job in a hospital and I'm in the process of getting a 4 year degree. I get what you're saying in the sense that people spend all their free time watching Jersey Shore instead of constantly learning to compete at the highest levels. I just sold my PS3 because I get where you're coming from. I think you just get lazy with your arguments at times and it makes you look bad. What I mean by it not being fair is that these people get away with crimes and we don't. That is not fair. They knowingly commit crimes waiting for the day that they have to pay a 1 million dollar fine after making $30 million in profit. So just because they made it to the top 1% they should be allowed to commit crimes and multiply themselves higher into that 1%? The government should be busting their cahones to get that money back so the rest of us can pay $29 million less in taxes, for example.

This reminds me of how unfair is the treatment between police officers and civilians, how a cop can pull you over for being on your phone, all while he is on his, how theycan get away with DWI's, Murder, etc...and the average Joe can spend a weekend in jail for jaywalking, that's just life though....it's never going to be fair, you think Snookie getting paid more than a Toni Morrison (sp) to speak at Rutgers was fair?...hell no, but that's life man...as hard it is for you all to admit it, we are all pawns...just make the best of it.

 

[al audi]

yea i can agree with that

so in conclusion life isnt fair. we have all heard that before, you just gotta make smart choices an be a strong minded individual. its more than that these days though.

well the coming years in this world/country will be interesting. just make the best of it can only go so far, but something huge will happen, dunno when but something is going to change.

 

[ksteezy]

Originally Posted by Al Audi

Originally Posted by kc24688

Steezy I give you a lot of props for taking on this barage thrown at you. I personally have a decent job in a hospital and I'm in the process of getting a 4 year degree. I get what you're saying in the sense that people spend all their free time watching Jersey Shore instead of constantly learning to compete at the highest levels. I just sold my PS3 because I get where you're coming from. I think you just get lazy with your arguments at times and it makes you look bad. What I mean by it not being fair is that these people get away with crimes and we don't. That is not fair. They knowingly commit crimes waiting for the day that they have to pay a 1 million dollar fine after making $30 million in profit. So just because they made it to the top 1% they should be allowed to commit crimes and multiply themselves higher into that 1%? The government should be busting their cahones to get that money back so the rest of us can pay $29 million less in taxes, for example.

he has already state if we were in the same position all of us here would do the same.
so basically humans in general are selfish/greedy steezy huh?

I'm sorry if that makes me sound like a d-bag bro, but yes I believe humans in nature are selfish/greedy...I honestly believe this is what drives us to excel, to do better, to be ambitious and always want more, I guess is good and bad at the same time...and before I get called on generalizing, please understand this is my opinion.

 

[rufiorufiorufio]

Man the system's messed up and you think this occupation is gonna save your lack of occupation?

The system is flawed but it's not the only thing that needs to change. we as individuals need to change.

Our complacency, our sense of entitlement, our false sense of "belief"....and this is all we can muster????

 

[al audi]

touche

 

[an dee 51o]

Originally Posted by ksteezy

I'll tell you, the choices I made, those same choices is what got your favorite CEO to a position where he's collecting huge bonuses and laughing at the rest of the world

What company are you currently the CEO of? Don't you have like six jobs?

inb4 another story about how hard your immigrant parents worked. They became CEOs too, right?

 

[nestasprotege]

How ignorant do you have to be to actually believe that "if I do A, B and C I will succeed," and then blindly follow that logic into depression? I'd rather give a portion of my hard earned check to a 1% than support the type of "societal expectancy" that some you are championing.

People are genuinely mad because "they took out all these loans because that's what 'THEY' told me to do and now I'm broke?" And then disguising that as Wall Street running up pricing on college tuition? I have seriously over-estimated the heartbeat of America. We are in worse shape than I ever imagined.

 

[curbyourenthusiasm]

Originally Posted by ksteezy

Originally Posted by CurbYourEnthusiasm

Originally Posted by ksteezy

you really believe a big percent of them is not just looking for a handout to make up for the wrong choices they made

  

arrogance.

this is the definition of arrogance.

you're also mad and whining, RIGHT NOW....


 the trust in the system was that if i do a, b and c, like society asks, that i'll be able to live a comfortable life...

i was told throughout life that college graduates make an average of 40k a year..the most ive ever made in one year since graduating was 24k...

i dont know anyone making anything near that.....the highest paid friends of mine just live in larger cities that are more expensive...

one dude used to make something around that, but he comes from an affluent family with opportunities not afforded to everyone regularly....and he got laid off...LMAO you think jc penny's board of directors took a 1% pay cut or they just laid him and thousands of other "paycheck-to-paycheck" employees off? oh.


on one hand you call people sheep, but then say you play the cards dealt to you, knowing the deck is stacked against you

if you wanted to make an NT-esque LULzy comment or quirk, just say that, but you're seriously like AGAINST the protesting of something you admit is wrong....

its crazy.

ive not once heard anyone related to these protests say "well, i want all my debt forgiven and i want a handout"

i just hear them saying its a travesty that this sliver of society holds more wealth than the entire population of the rest of us.....and they're not even showing remorse, in fact, its getting WORSE....

thats what this is about man

not about "oh, i wanna get rich by protesting wall street"

like, where did you even get that from?

Nah homie, YOU called me a sheep, not too much of a fan of the term, yet you just admitted to being a sheep yourself and blindly following a promise of one day after graduation it being worth it....job markets change, demands for certain carreers do as well, at one point you couldn't find a job in my field, now it's an abundance, that will soon change again....when that does and new grads get left out the loop, it will be to point fingers again.

no, i didnt. i laughed at the irony of you using the term (or so i thought) but saying you play the hand dealt to you knowing its stacked agaisnt you.

ive already answered the little "im upset so imma ask really rhetorical questions" questions you're asking me.

ive also already framed my argument when trying to explain to you the "faith in government" you asked about....

i also love how you relate anything i say to you to myself, personally...

unlike you, i have perspective...therefore i can accurately articulate ideas or concepts that you say you dont understand

hence my trying to explain the other NTers "faith in government" phrase as people have expectations from society to meet...upon meeting those requirements, there are expectations we have of society...when expectations arent met, people get upset.

you're, again, justifying an injustice of our society...

"if you do a, b and c, you will be comfortable"

people do a b and c and are hurting.

that's not right.

and people are voicing their opinion on it not being right.

you're just accepting it.

which is cool, too

just keep your slander for the protesting to yourself.

that was my only point, b.

all that other *%$# you're trynna pin on me is irrelevant.

Son there are millions of people that have made even better choices than me, do I consider them to think that they are better than me?...
um from your previous posts, i would honestly say, yes, you do think they're better than you are...i mean, look,they have a better life because they made better decisions...why wont you make that next step and say they're just better?

I ask you again, what are YOU doing to change %@*@?....besides trying to alter my personal view on the issue?... -do you have a job? -can you walk into a hospital and not be turned away? -are you starving, because you can't afford food? Sir you are benefiting from the flawed system as we speak, what are you complaining about??....
i tell you, again, i dont have to do *%$# to find your attitude and demeanor towards people that ARE taking action as dispicable...which is the only thing ive said about my personal views in the entire thread.

im not even trynna change your views, cause honestly, i dont think they're going to change. i dont change peoples views on NT, i just make NT aware to those ******ed views. im just offering you perspective, something that is severely lacking in our society and on this messageboard

yes, i have a job, i get paid 2 thousand dollars more than the federal poverty line to work in a school, a job i took because i had a genuine intrest in helping kids who the system is letting turn into felons and babys moms who collect welfare checks...

slander that.

can i walk into a hospital and not be turned away? well, yeah, now that i have school district insurance.....for the first time since graduating college....in 07.....because i couldnt afford it until i started working for the state....ive had sicknesses/problems and i couldnt go to the hospital for it. my first year in schools i was sick for almost 2 weeks with streap/flu symptoms...couldnt afford to go to the hospital.....

slander that

am i starving because i cant afford food? thank god i have a girlfriend so i have shared expenses. i also don't eat lunch regularly...because i dont want to waste the gas to drive and get it, i dont starve during the day, and its expensive to go out to get lunch. im not starving but im also not dining on 300 dollar company-charged bank accounts..if i could afford to eat out more, i probably would, but *%$# is expensive. .not sure what this question was for, but

slander that


so what that im benefitting from the flawed system? benefiting how?

if being healed when you are hurt or sick....or not starving....or having a very very low paying job is "benefiting from the flawed system" i guess

i happen to think being healed when you are hurt or sick...not starving...and having the opportunity to work are human rights given to us at birth,...but !%%%, what do i know, i made a bad decision to help inner-city kids and look at me suffering from my bad choice now.....and crying about it.

 

[ksteezy]

Originally Posted by an dee 51o

Originally Posted by ksteezy

I'll tell you, the choices I made, those same choices is what got your favorite CEO to a position where he's collecting huge bonuses and laughing at the rest of the world

What company are you currently the CEO of? Don't you have like six jobs?

inb4 another story about how hard your immigrant parents worked. They became CEOs too, right?

Are you mentally Ill, read what I wrote, the choices I made got me where I'm at today, the choices those high paid CEO's made is what got THEM there, where the hell did I say I was a CEO...and I'm the ignorant one

 

[ksteezy]

Originally Posted by nestasprotege

How ignorant do you have to be to actually believe that "if I do A, B and C I will succeed," and then blindly follow that logic into depression? I'd rather give a portion of my hard earned check to a 1% than support the type of "societal expectancy" that some you are championing.

People are genuinely mad because "they took out all these loans because that's what 'THEY' told me to do and now I'm broke?" And then disguising that as Wall Street running up pricing on college tuition? I have seriously over-estimated the heartbeat of America. We are in worse shape than I ever imagined.

THANK YOU!

 

[curbyourenthusiasm]

Originally Posted by nestasprotege

How ignorant do you have to be to actually believe that "if I do A, B and C I will succeed," and then blindly follow that logic into depression? I'd rather give a portion of my hard earned check to a 1% than support the type of "societal expectancy" that some you are championing.

People are genuinely mad because "they took out all these loans because that's what 'THEY' told me to do and now I'm broke?" And then disguising that as Wall Street running up pricing on college tuition? I have seriously over-estimated the heartbeat of America. We are in worse shape than I ever imagined.

another one?

yo, for as smart as you guys like to brag you are...you dudes sure cant read or comprehend AT ALL...

"how ignorant do you have to be to have an expectation of society based upon you fullfilling society's expectation of you?"

lemme guess, your father is a banker?

no, you're a 2nd year finance student who's gonna be CEO of some bank soon?

this dude thought a b and c was "take out a loan"

not "go to college"

LMAO

morons, man, i tell you.

i bet he makes 4 times as much as me a year.

im not whining, im just stating facts about how $@$!!* up our society is.
  

 

[an dee 51o]

Ah, ok. So you just have problems with the English language. Good thing you didn't take out a loan to further your education

I read that sentence like five times and I just.. don't... whatever.

 

[curbyourenthusiasm]

Originally Posted by ksteezy

Originally Posted by nestasprotege

How ignorant do you have to be to actually believe that "if I do A, B and C I will succeed," and then blindly follow that logic into depression? I'd rather give a portion of my hard earned check to a 1% than support the type of "societal expectancy" that some you are championing.

People are genuinely mad because "they took out all these loans because that's what 'THEY' told me to do and now I'm broke?" And then disguising that as Wall Street running up pricing on college tuition? I have seriously over-estimated the heartbeat of America. We are in worse shape than I ever imagined.

THANK YOU!

so why did you go to school, steezy?

there wasnt an expectation of society for you to hold whatever specialized degree you hold so that you could get the job you have and could be a productive member of society?

at the same time, there was no expectation from you that society would hold up their end of the deal at the end and provide you with said job you have which would allow you to be a productive member of society?

really?

no expectations whatsoever...

you just jumped into your program and got a degree in it, no hard feelings no strings attached no expectations of the degree actually advancing you?

alright man.
  

 

[rufiorufiorufio]

acting like our plight is really suffering as yall prob posting from a laptop or iphone or some peice of technology. shhhh entitle i tell u.