Any NTers with a history of anxiety and/or depression? vol. struggling

[reyolystic]

weed was the start of all my anxiety probelms just sayinnnn

 

[HEATHEN]

Originally Posted by 651akathePaul

Yes. It'll pass. Once you open your mind to the fact that live is FILLED with peaks and valley's it's easier to adjust and overcome.

clinical depression does not just simply pass sir. It's a lifelong disease/disorder that one has to overcome each and every single day.
to be depressed and have depression are two different things, people need to understand this and know the difference. 

 

[swendro]

I went to the doctor 2 weeks ago and was diagnosed with mild depression. Def have anxiety too.

The doctor gave me a list of mental heath specialist, but I have been dragging my feet on setting up an appointment.

I know what you mean about the stigma attached to depression. It def delayed my decision to seek help. I thought I would be able to handle my problems on my own, but that hasn't worked so hopefully I can get proper help.

 

[shoefreakbaby]

Originally Posted by SneakerHeathen

ya'll two, relax.

it's subjective an dee, not for everyone. I know from experience, smoked for ten years and it got to the point where when I was feeling depressed it would do nothing but perpetuate the negative thoughts and I'd be stuck on stupid. For a lot of people suffering from depression marijuana can have an adverse effect on your state of mind.


I'll probably smoke again, will probably smoke all my life, but only in extreme moderation (maybe a couple times a year). However I know on a daily basis, or even a weekly basis it had an adverse effect on me.


for those whom have never truly smoked, shut that neck. no amount of research gives you the right to an opinion. a lot of ignorance is spoken by people who haven't even so much as smoked a blunt (or whom have smoked for short a period of time and now feel as if though they know).

You initially said everyone is effected by it differently, but then proceed to say that you would have  to try it to be able to speak on it.
What difference does it make if you tried it to me, because according to you it affects ppl differently?

 

[speakup23]

You guys realize you're ruining this whole thread with this back and forth right?

Originally Posted by SneakerHeathen

Originally Posted by 651akathePaul

Yes. It'll pass. Once you open your mind to the fact that live is FILLED with peaks and valley's it's easier to adjust and overcome.

clinical depression does not just simply pass sir. It's a lifelong disease/disorder that one has to overcome each and every single day.
to be depressed and have depression are two different things, people need to understand this and know the difference. 

[h6]"Its difficult to understand what you never lived" [/h6]

 

[shoefreakbaby]

Originally Posted by ReYoLystic

weed was the start of all my anxiety probelms just sayinnnn

Are you high in that Pic or just sleeping?

"You guys realize you're ruining this whole thread with this back and forth right?"



You're right

 

[HEATHEN]

shoefreakbaby wrote:

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ya'll two, relax.

it's subjective an dee, not for everyone. I know from experience, smoked for ten years and it got to the point where when I was feeling depressed it would do nothing but perpetuate the negative thoughts and I'd be stuck on stupid. For a lot of people suffering from depression marijuana can have an adverse effect on your state of mind.


I'll probably smoke again, will probably smoke all my life, but only in extreme moderation (maybe a couple times a year). However I know on a daily basis, or even a weekly basis it had an adverse effect on me.


for those whom have never truly smoked, shut that neck. no amount of research gives you the right to an opinion. a lot of ignorance is spoken by people who haven't even so much as smoked a blunt (or whom have smoked for short a period of time and now feel as if though they know).
You initially said everyone is effected by it differently, but then proceed to say that you would have  to try it to be able to speak on it.
What difference does it make if you tried it to me, because according to you it affects ppl differently?




Its effects are subjective from individual to individual, however to color marijuana as inherently adverse to its users would be irresponsible. For some it truly does help with depression, anxiety and a litany of other disorders/diseases, for others, it perpetuates depression (but even that could have to do with whether one is using Indica or Sativa, and how much one is using).



To make such rash generalities and pigeonhole smokers as "individuals whom already have underlying problems" speaks to your own naivety and furthers my own initial gripe with people whom speak out against marijuana using elementary 101 "facts" and really have no clue as to what they're talking about. Your logic is worse than some of those convoluted *$$ above the influence advertisements. In reality most smokers do so recreationally, the vast majority of people I know whom enjoy marijuana have no psychological disorder to speak of. 




"marijuana alters the state of your mind", no !$*% sherlock. So does Zoloft, Paxil, Prozac and every other anti-depressant out there. However the mind altering effects of every single last one of these designer drug anti-depressants are far more volatile in nature than any strain of marijuana out there. The effects are subjective for every single one of these "mind-altering" substances, for some zoloft does the trick, for others it's a particular strain of sativa. 




At the end of the day if you don't know about something beyond hearsay (you're not doing any research beyond maybe a research paper for a college class) then don't speak on it.

 

[651akathepaul]

Originally Posted by SneakerHeathen

Originally Posted by 651akathePaul

Yes. It'll pass. Once you open your mind to the fact that live is FILLED with peaks and valley's it's easier to adjust and overcome.

clinical depression does not just simply pass sir. It's a lifelong disease/disorder that one has to overcome each and every single day.
to be depressed and have depression are two different things, people need to understand this and know the difference. 

Or are they? 

 

[HEATHEN]

Originally Posted by 651akathePaul

Originally Posted by SneakerHeathen

Originally Posted by 651akathePaul

Yes. It'll pass. Once you open your mind to the fact that live is FILLED with peaks and valley's it's easier to adjust and overcome.

clinical depression does not just simply pass sir. It's a lifelong disease/disorder that one has to overcome each and every single day.
to be depressed and have depression are two different things, people need to understand this and know the difference. 

Or are they? 

 

[mustbefire]

Originally Posted by SneakerHeathen

ya'll two, relax.

it's subjective an dee, not for everyone. I know from experience, smoked for ten years and it got to the point where when I was feeling depressed it would do nothing but perpetuate the negative thoughts and I'd be stuck on stupid. For a lot of people suffering from depression marijuana can have an adverse effect on your state of mind.


I'll probably smoke again, will probably smoke all my life, but only in extreme moderation (maybe a couple times a year). However I know on a daily basis, or even a weekly basis it had an adverse effect on me.


for those whom have never truly smoked, shut that neck. no amount of research gives you the right to an opinion. a lot of ignorance is spoken by people who haven't even so much as smoked a blunt (or whom have smoked for short a period of time and now feel as if though they know).

I'm this way too except I smoked heavily for about 4 years and that's enough for a lifetime....lets just say I was that dude in college.  I can't function on it anymore, sends my thoughts into a spiral of chaos.

As for depression in the early to mid 20s, there's something called a quarter life crisis and yes I've experienced/experience from time to time, but those feelings of doubt only arise when I have too much idle time.  I try to focus on the fact that I have my whole life ahead of me to "figure" it out.  Instead of worry about your future every night, how about recollecting on all your blessings.  Use your over analytical mind to develop the multiple paths to your "success" however you define it, instead of focusing on the negatives.

 

[stahnskiohhh]

Inb4 monstar comes in and says everyone is being a bunch a *%&$^#@ and that yall should have got at least one haymaker on your emotions.

 

[shoefreakbaby]

Originally Posted by SneakerHeathen

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You basically said the same thing, it has different effects on different people.
And if it has different effects on different people, then it really doesn't matter that scientist who study it aren't avid smokers because no to bodies are exactly the same.


Since you want to hope on the ann dee train( even though thats not what I asked you about). I will explain to you like I explained to him.
Someone mentioned that they had a friend who had  depression linked to marijuana usage.
I said I heard that they are doing a lot research on it, I explained what the research was talking about
and said that I felt the research would not come out right if they had not prior examined the smokers to see if they had issues before smoking.
I don't know where you place hearsay in that, I was not speaking on my personal views of the usage of marijuana.
I was speaking about them doing research on it.I think  I am aloud to tell a fellow nter about research that I did not partake in.
As for me saying that I believe that ppl who smoke on a regular basis have underlying issues, that has been my experience.
And still that was connected to my statement about the outcome of the research.
I have not once said the marijuana usage was bad. I never said it was better than zoloft or anything else.

I really dont want to be rude and continue to derail this thread so we will have to agree to disagree.

 

 

[HEATHEN]

Originally Posted by shoefreakbaby

Originally Posted by SneakerHeathen

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You basically said the same thing, it has different effects on different people.
And if it has different effects on different people, then it really doesn't matter that scientist who study it aren't avid smokers because no to bodies are exactly the same.


Since you want to hope on the ann dee train( even though thats not what I asked you about). I will explain to you like I explained to him.
Someone mentioned that they had a friend who had  depression linked to marijuana usage.
I said I heard that they are doing a lot research on it, I explained what the research was talking about
and said that I felt the research would not come out right if they had not prior examined the smokers to see if they had issues before smoking.
I don't know where you place hearsay in that, I was not speaking on my personal views of the usage of marijuana.
I was speaking about them doing research on it.I think  I am aloud to tell a fellow nter about research that I did not partake in.
As for me saying that I believe that ppl who smoke on a regular basis have underlying issues, that has been my experience.
And still that was connected to my statement about the outcome of the research.
I have not once said the marijuana usage was bad. I never said it was better than zoloft or anything else.

I really dont want to be rude and continue to derail this thread so we will have to agree to disagree.

 

Um, the scientists don't smoke it however they do use smokers as case studies. 

Secondly all you did was point out an effect that was obviously intrinsic with the use of marijuana, no research is needed for such a statement. 

 

[shoefreakbaby]

Originally Posted by SneakerHeathen

Originally Posted by shoefreakbaby

Originally Posted by SneakerHeathen

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You basically said the same thing, it has different effects on different people.
And if it has different effects on different people, then it really doesn't matter that scientist who study it aren't avid smokers because no to bodies are exactly the same.


Since you want to hope on the ann dee train( even though thats not what I asked you about). I will explain to you like I explained to him.
Someone mentioned that they had a friend who had  depression linked to marijuana usage.
I said I heard that they are doing a lot research on it, I explained what the research was talking about
and said that I felt the research would not come out right if they had not prior examined the smokers to see if they had issues before smoking.
I don't know where you place hearsay in that, I was not speaking on my personal views of the usage of marijuana.
I was speaking about them doing research on it.I think  I am aloud to tell a fellow nter about research that I did not partake in.
As for me saying that I believe that ppl who smoke on a regular basis have underlying issues, that has been my experience.
And still that was connected to my statement about the outcome of the research.
I have not once said the marijuana usage was bad. I never said it was better than zoloft or anything else.

I really dont want to be rude and continue to derail this thread so we will have to agree to disagree.

 

Um, the scientists don't smoke it however they do use smokers as case studies. 

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But they still SPEAK on it.

 I didnt point out anything,  I was talking about the research they were doing.

Im really done this time.

 

[HEATHEN]

Originally Posted by shoefreakbaby

Originally Posted by SneakerHeathen

Originally Posted by shoefreakbaby

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You basically said the same thing, it has different effects on different people.
And if it has different effects on different people, then it really doesn't matter that scientist who study it aren't avid smokers because no to bodies are exactly the same.


Since you want to hope on the ann dee train( even though thats not what I asked you about). I will explain to you like I explained to him.
Someone mentioned that they had a friend who had  depression linked to marijuana usage.
I said I heard that they are doing a lot research on it, I explained what the research was talking about
and said that I felt the research would not come out right if they had not prior examined the smokers to see if they had issues before smoking.
I don't know where you place hearsay in that, I was not speaking on my personal views of the usage of marijuana.
I was speaking about them doing research on it.I think  I am aloud to tell a fellow nter about research that I did not partake in.
As for me saying that I believe that ppl who smoke on a regular basis have underlying issues, that has been my experience.
And still that was connected to my statement about the outcome of the research.
I have not once said the marijuana usage was bad. I never said it was better than zoloft or anything else.

I really dont want to be rude and continue to derail this thread so we will have to agree to disagree.

 

Um, the scientists don't smoke it however they do use smokers as case studies. 

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But they still SPEAK on it.
Im really done this time.

Exactly, they speak on it based on using information gathered from PEOPLE WHO USE IT. They're not simply talking out of their !+# and reciting some random info they found on an anti-drug site. They're also not speaking in rash generalities, usually they remain objective and simply point out both the positive and adverse effects of the substance in question (unless of course they're doing the research specifically to endorse or prevent the use of marijuana). You however are just offering an opinion, a misinformed and misguided one at that. 
For that one article you posted you can look up about 10 more that speak contrarily in regards to the effects of marijuana on just about any university scholarly-journal database

 

[shoefreakbaby]

Originally Posted by SneakerHeathen

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[HEATHEN]

Originally Posted by shoefreakbaby

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[MajinZuub]

I have anxiety problems and every time I smoke weed before I go into a situation where I know I'll get anxious it helps me.

 

[sleaze jar omens]

Originally Posted by SpeakUp23

"Its difficult to understand what you never lived"

son said it would pass. wow.

I used to recommend smoking to everyone because it helped me. I found it is not the case with a friend, he was actually made worse. The same medications that I felt were poisoning me, the medicines that were making me much worse, he took them and they flipped his mood completely. I've never seen dude happier and I'm really glad for him.

They just left me empty. The emptiness hasn't left. Smoking doesn't fill it anymore, just puts me in another place. Helps with anxiety related insomnia. I'm living day to day now relying on one of the most irrational of things, hope, to get me through the week. I'm doing a pretty good job so far.

it all varies person to person. I didn't read the OP or much of this thread, but talk to someone if you need it. Don't wait for it to get better on it's own, find out what your issues are and get them taken care of however you can. Pride is never a reason to suffer.

an dee don't argue with them bro. you either get it or you don't.

 

[celticsfan9783]

Originally Posted by Raphy Vengeance

Originally Posted by CelticsFan9783

The first time I ever experienced symptoms was in 2007. I was finishing up my junior year in college and literally had no idea what triggered it. I only felt "comfortable" in my bed, my appetite drastically decreased, I was always worrying about little things and scared about what the future held. It was a terrifying experience. The only people I told about it were my folks. I felt like the biggest vag but couldn't do anything to snap out of it. So I see a therapist and get prescribed lexapro for the symptoms. It did work, but part of me thinks it was just the placebo effect.

Now fast forward nearly 5 years and I'm starting to get similar symptoms but more anxiety mixed in. Losing appetite, pit in my stomach, feeling unsure about the unknown. It's a bad feeling man. I know I sound like mental weakling but I have virtually no control of it. I have a hard time anyone outside of my family about it because there is so much stigma attached to depression. Figured NT would be a good place to get it off my chest.

I'd be interested in hearing similar experiences including how you went about battling the demons.

I never saw a therapist/psychologist so I was never officially diagnosed with depression/anxiety, but I've had symptoms of depression from time to time.  I was at my lowest point a few years ago when my girl left me.  Ran through the whole gamut of emotions: sadness, anger, loneliness, etc.  I had a hard time getting out of bed in the morning, wasn't motivated.  Yet at night I had a hard time sleeping because when it was quiet and I was alone, I would think of all the memories, and all sorts of scenarios of what I did wrong and what I could have done different to change the outcome.  It affected me physically too.  I had that pit in my stomach that wouldn't go away, I have this lump in my throat that's still here to this day.  My body was always sore.  I started to do bad in school, I started giving up on the things I loved, and I constantly wondered whether or not it was worth it to continue on. 

One thing that helped was that I actually talked to people.  I reached out to my friends that I haven't spoken to in a while.  I had deeper conversations with friends and family, and things like that helped put things in perspective for me.  The sun's gonna rise.  Time waits for no one.  I either stay in the past, or move forward with what I have to do to better myself.  Got back into playing basketball, refocused with school and I'm close to finishing up getting my associates in Real Estate and Business Admin. 

IMO everyone suffers from depression/anxiety, just in different levels.  I still have my good and bad days, just like everyone else.  The best way is to just stay positive and take things one day at a time.  Look for positives in everything you do, no matter how small they are.  To the OP and everyone else, good luck and keep fighting.

Appreciate your back story and words man. I'm glad you have been able to weather the storm to this point. Keep battling as well.

I grew up as somewhat of an angry teenager and now I'm feeling guilty about it because my whole family has been great and supportive of everything I do or want since as far back as I can remember. Now I'm feeling that I wasn't as great of son as I could have been and I keep thinking to myself, "shame on me." I've actually been trying to take part in more family functions, I went to see my grandmother who lives alone in a condo for the first time in a while yesterday for no good reason. Being alone is what is really make the times difficult for me.

 

[Gill Baka Esq. LLC.]

shoefreakbaby - I agree with an dee you are talking out of your +*% now. You say that MJ smokers have underlying issues so that's why they toke up...but honestly who in this country DOES NOT HAVE SOME TYPE OF UNDERLYING ISSUES?

While it could be true that people who do toke up COULD have underlying issues...it's not any different from people who don't toke up in my personal opinion.

I think all of the MJ smokers that use it and get positive results are quick to defend it....could it be a problem for certain people...absolutely though. I feel that MJ is an enhancer on mood and a numbing agent on physical pain ...so if you come into it with problems and stressful thinking that overtakes positive thinking then your negative thinking will only be enhanced by MJ...unless you get your mind blown by some high grade stuff....but that usually puts things in perspective for you

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BUT this isn't a weed debate.

OP and all the rest that need help...you really have to take some time to yourself and understand yourself better....this usually requires some alone time just to think and when you get frustrated with that then talking to people who care about you is the next best thing...you don't need to actually talk about your problems with them but like another poster said you need to be around positive people because it helps you feel good about everything....that's a natural high in itself.

 

[solegit08til]

It's all in your head just suck it up pansies

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J/K

I'm the 3rd generation of chronic depression and bi-polar:It went from my grandmother to my mother to me.

I didn't show any signs through childhood. At 16 i started smoking 5/7 days a week. I was going through hell emotionally from family/relationship issues.

I was still outgoing and avoided my problems by never being at home and getting faded all the time (potent potent sticky).

My 3rd time taking ecstasy right before my 18th b-day changed everything. I was mixing drugs too.

Since then i've been severely depressed and a lil paranoid schizophrenic. I stopped hanging out with all my old friends and never left my house for like 9 months. (my avy was real life)

I got into a fistfight with my stepdad and got kicked out last summer. Since then I have been doing a lot better, starting college helped. Like others I was constantly worried about my future.

Between the family issues, not getting into college, and the drugs, i think i kick started my mental disorder.

I still don't take medication. It helped my grandma, but my mom has been suicidal for years because of it. I've only had serious thoughts of it once, but I don't think I could make it if
any medication sent me down that road.



At the end of the day, I'm just another man that wants to provide for his loved ones. Like others have said, this is a lifelong illness/rollercoaster. 

 

[focused22]

OP,

I sent you a PM. Let me know if you got it, because its not in my Sent folder.

I have a lot of experience with this stuff....

 

[dior paint]

Originally Posted by shoefreakbaby

Originally Posted by DB WEST

Just a question, have any of you smoked marijuana before the condition?  I'm wondering if it could be caused by smoking, my friend has the same problem.

But I think most people who smoke weed on a regular basis already have "something wrong" with them before they smoke so idk.

 

[scshift]

Originally Posted by shoefreakbaby

Originally Posted by scshift

If any of you guys want to send me a PM, I'm down to listen and talk about anything, doesn't even have to be related to anxiety or depression. Just talk about how boring school is, or cute girls or whatever.

I know a lot of people like to talk and vent when they're stressed, so I'm more than glad to lend an ear.

How nice!!!

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Originally Posted by Raphy Vengeance

Off topic but are you on clublexus?

Nah man. Is there someone there who talks like me? I need to see this guy.