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topic would go way different if the majority had degrees instead of the other way around
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topic would go way different if the majority had degrees instead of the other way around
Amenbein your own boss beats working 7-8 careers
i guess im just use to growin up with an entrepreneur of a mother, she hasnt worked under someone since i was in grade school
makes her own damn hours, own vacations whatever. follow in footsteps i shall
Amenbein your own boss beats working 7-8 careers
i guess im just use to growin up with an entrepreneur of a mother, she hasnt worked under someone since i was in grade school
makes her own damn hours, own vacations whatever. follow in footsteps i shall
It doesnt have to.Word. College helps build discipline and work ethic. You will more than likely learn everything else on the job. College GPA gives the employer a measurement of your work competence/ability to learn/discipline.
i don't think anyone is against college.Just wondering, how many of the people against college in this thread actually went to college and gave it a try?
thats the exact problem tho. capable people missing out on easy *** jobs because they dont have a degree. they would rather hire the person that bought their competitive advantage than the one who was forced to actually grow up a little soonerI dunno guys.
Having a degree has gotten me jobs that other people could have been way more qualified for.
The fact that I got that piece of paper has made it way easier to find a job since I've graduated.
Plus it's put me in a position to enter short training programs for EXTREMELY good jobs that lots of other people could be qualified for, but might not get into because they don't have a degree unless they've been in that industry for like 10 years already.
The mere fact at I haven't had to hustle AS HARD as someone without a degree to get the same job means something. And where I work I had no experience, but they wouldn't hire someone with mad experience and no degree just cause they use that piece of paper as a cut off for applicants.
For real the only people I see in my area get super successful with no degree all have kids or they work a non-office job that requires a lot more effort. My job is mostly writing and answering emails, filling out paperwork, and maintaining and reorganizing blackboard sites. Someone my age with no degree could easily do my job, but they wouldn't get the job in the first place because the hiring process filters out folks with no degree.
i don't think anyone is against college.Just wondering, how many of the people against college in this thread actually went to college and gave it a try?
Bill Gates isn't against college, but the college system (approach) needs to reformed and viable alternatives need to be looked at and respected.
I wasn't talking about Gates but it seems like a ton of people are saying college is a terrible idea, scam, etc. Did any of them actually try it or are they just banking it off what they hear/see?
And I agree with you, not only college but the entire education system needs to be redone. High school especially. I dreaded high school cause I hated 98% of my classes, barely learned anything I still need/enjoy (apart from AP Econ, graphic design, race relations, algebra) and was forced to go. I knew what I wanted to do with my life, but I was funneled into a central pool of kids who didn't and needed someone else to guide them through potential career paths.
Also, college needs to stop being hailed as a validation for a person's intelligence. I don't think I'm incrementally smarter now that I'm in a university than I was in high school, and if I stayed out of college and read books/textbooks I might be smarter than I am now. But most employers would ignore me, and that's what annoys me. People place too much value on higher education. It's all crap but that's another story.
The system won't change though, cause it's probably the biggest and cleanest scheme of our time, up there with when DeBeers fooled the world into thinking diamonds professed love. Now we're fooled into thinking college equates capability.
well put.I wasn't talking about Gates but it seems like a ton of people are saying college is a terrible idea, scam, etc. Did any of them actually try it or are they just banking it off what they hear/see?i don't think anyone is against college.Just wondering, how many of the people against college in this thread actually went to college and gave it a try?
Bill Gates isn't against college, but the college system (approach) needs to reformed and viable alternatives need to be looked at and respected.
And I agree with you, not only college but the entire education system needs to be redone. High school especially. I dreaded high school cause I hated 98% of my classes, barely learned anything I still need/enjoy (apart from AP Econ, graphic design, race relations, algebra) and was forced to go. I knew what I wanted to do with my life, but I was funneled into a central pool of kids who didn't and needed someone else to guide them through potential career paths.
Also, college needs to stop being hailed as a validation for a person's intelligence. I don't think I'm incrementally smarter now that I'm in a university than I was in high school, and if I stayed out of college and read books/textbooks I might be smarter than I am now. But most employers would ignore me, and that's what annoys me. People place too much value on higher education. It's all crap but that's another story.
The system won't change though, cause it's probably the biggest and cleanest scheme of our time, up there with when DeBeers fooled the world into thinking diamonds professed love. Now we're fooled into thinking college equates capability.
Just wondering, how many of the people against college in this thread actually went to college and gave it a try?
Yeah, I'll say it would take a lot of thinking and maturity to really try and plan out how you want to develop yourself for the 4 crucial years of your life, but we can probably agree it's better than the cookie cutter curriculums they feed almost everyone at a 4-year university these days. I think we could start by at least allowing kids to chose courses which fit certain distributions, for example instead of making kids take a Writing 101 class, they can take any class which fits the English reading and writing comprehension - and the kids can choose which course that would be. At Northwestern University you can take classes like Russian Literature, Religious Writings, etc. and these will help you cover your writing course. This way, kids get to learn the fundamentals in a class that interests them and gives them something interesting to talk about and learn. It's not as perfect as allowing kids to develop degrees and ignore requirements, but it's a solid start that many top schools are starting to adopt.
Unfortunately you're right. But what can you do about it? One possible solution is to prolong the time a kid spends in the classroom, so make college that "realization and exploration" age and make 4 years after that the "specialization" age. There's also the argument as to whether a child should even be required or encouraged to study these works... kids who are interested in college will pursue those routes but I feel like the average kid in school would rather learn something pertinent to their future interests than enjoy fine art and writing. Is it sad that they won't appreciate it? You could say so, but then again I'm one of those people who just isn't interested or advanced enough to appreciate them.
I started the thread, I'm a junior.Just wondering, how many of the people against college in this thread actually went to college and gave it a try?