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Originally Posted by DubA169

charles can eat a #!%$

even if lebron wasn't a free agent in 2010 we would NEED TO CLEAR CAP SPACE. is it that hard to understand? everyone praises chuck a little TOO much. stick to saying outlandish @!$@ on TNT
Agreed. Charles needs to break out the history text books. This team will not get good overnight, making trades and looking to get better rightaway, will what? MAYBE get us an 8 seed? Thats the same $$@* Layden and Isiah tried to do and look where they are at now. +@!% Lebron James, peep that DonnieWalsh quote i quoted a page or 2 back, we need to get under cap. Its not all about Bron, sure bron is the #1 pize but in order to rebuild your team you NEED toget under cap 1st end of story.

I always cite the 2004 Phoenix Suns when i talk about this. Right when D'Antoni became the coach the Suns had an aiiight team led by Marbury but in thatera the West was sooo strong they were a borderline 7-8 seed at best. Their GM at the the time was Jerry Colangelo and he traded Stephon Marbury to us for thelikes of Antonio McDyess, and Charlie Ward (who both had expiring contracts) and some other garbage and also got rid of Penny Hardaway in the process.Colangelo was even quoted saying that this move was simply for cap space to become a player in free agency and that he knew he did not get equal talent forMarbury (who at the time was a perrenial all-star and the only player other than Oscar Robertson with a carrer average of 20+ ppg and 8+ apg. In this tradePhoenix sheded$25 million in cap space fo the next summer's free agency and were looking to go for Kobe who was the Lebron at the time. D'Antoni wasquoted by saying "Are we probably going to take a little step backwards? Yeah, in the beginning. But with the cap room that we have now and with the draftpicks we are going to have, along with the core of young players that will get a lot of playing time, were excited about it. I think that in the long run thisis the way to get to a higher level of play. In the short term a little pain, but in the long term we hope thee's a big gain."

At that moment Isiah was the superhero who just landed NY their finest PG since Clyde Frazier who was a NY bred, and Colangelo was the moron who just tradedthat PG for the likes of Charlie Ward and Antonio Mcdyess, Majec Lampe, etc.
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. But we look into the future, and Marbury got us what? One year as the 8 seed and a sweep in the playoffs? While next summer while Kobe resigned withthe Lakers obviously, the Suns were able to turn that cap space they got in the trade and turn it into Steve Nash who ran D'Antoni's offense betterthan anyone could for the next 4 or so years, won 2 (almost 3) MVPs and the Suns had the best tecord in the NBA the following season.

This is a large reason why i believe Donnie wanted Mike so badly. I mean he has a good rapore with the likes of Lebron/Wade and they would flourish in hissystem, but its also cause hes been in nearly the exact situation before that we are in now. That Marbury trade is VERY similar to the day we traded away Z Boand Jamal (our 2 top guns at the time) for next to nothing IMO. People need to realize this isnt some new radical philosophy that Donnie Walsh just thought of.And he isnt stupid enough to put all his eggs in one basket and think "Lebron James will sign here, so we will clear all this cap space and trade away allour best players, and not resign any of our other players... but if he doesnt were @@%$#+" Do people really have such little faith in one of the mostrespected GMs in the game to think that? Sure Lebron would be great but this isnt some new philosophy. Kobe resigned and the Suns were just fine after that. Itis an unwritten NBA rule that when rebuilding a torn fanchise there is no quick fix, you NEED to get under the cap... and fools like Charles Barkley and otherscan go ahead and diss what Donnie Walsh is doing as much as they want... But at the end of the day no team in the right mind will sign Barkley as a GM (thatsabout as likely as him becoming the governer of Alabama
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), and its alsothe reason why fools like Layden and Isiah are in the top 5 of most hated people in NYC along with Bernie Madoff, Osama Bin Laden, and Reggie Miller
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... and also out of any good NBA jobs... while at the end of the day Donnie hasone of the best reps out of any GM and has been doing his thing for 25 or so years. So let the haters talk, and ill just sit back and trust my man DonnieWalsh, cause in MY eyes hes been doing everything right and he will continue to do so while other bums that arent NBA GMs will talk $$@*.

</rant> I went off a bit there, sorry guys
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A little? Sheesh!
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Anyway, this is what level-headed Knicks fans have been wanting since before LeBron even came into the league. Blow it up, and get some cap space to maneuver.But since LeBron is the big prize in 2010, we're crazy. I'm sick of the assumption that the only option for NY is LeBron. Sure, he's or firstchoice, as if the same with every team with adequate space in 2010, but there are other free agents.

Chuck, and a lot of other people are acting like the Knicks are the first team to try to rebuild through free agency.

It's frustrating. When we were horrible, they blasted our front office for spending too much...now they're doing the same for us saving money to make asplash in free agency.
 
Originally Posted by HarlemToTheBronx

A little? Sheesh!
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Anyway, this is what level-headed Knicks fans have been wanting since before LeBron even came into the league. Blow it up, and get some cap space to maneuver. But since LeBron is the big prize in 2010, we're crazy. I'm sick of the assumption that the only option for NY is LeBron. Sure, he's or first choice, as if the same with every team with adequate space in 2010, but there are other free agents.

Chuck, and a lot of other people are acting like the Knicks are the first team to try to rebuild through free agency.

It's frustrating. When we were horrible, they blasted our front office for spending too much...now they're doing the same for us saving money to make a splash in free agency.
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that pretty much sums up mostly what i wrote in a lotless words, good looks... but yeah people are acting like this is some crazy new idea to clear cap space for free agency to rebuild. Teams been doing this %*#+for years, but since Bron is in discussion people are trying to act like Walsh is getting rid of all our guys and if we dont get Bron we are $@+%!$. You cantgive Donnie Walsh a little more credit than that? sheesh
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gr8 with the dissertation on the knicks
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I agree with you two. The new york hate is very strong among the NBA. the funniest thing is, the reason given from people who want lebron to stay with the cavsisn't even "the cavs team is so good, why leave?" it's "oh it would be such a good story, the hometown kid in Cleveland building hislegacy there" (stern and barkley)

maybe the hometown kid wants to get the ##!! out of ohio? maybe he grew up wanting more or something different? Is it that hard to comprehend? why are peopletrying to force this disney story on him? I totally understand why stern wants lebron to stay in CLE, because he doesn't want to have to relocate the damnteam if bron leaves, and knows you can sell out the garden even if the team sucks
 
Originally Posted by tommykairaa

if were .500 at the end of the season

ill treat you guys to mcds.

I'm putting this on the first page
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....make it a team nyk summit/celebration
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Talking about PG position in 2010.. its prett obvious we're gonna be looking for one... if we can't get any one major how does Felton sound?
 
lulz @ the first page. i got ya

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i remember when the season started last year(?) and i forgot who made the thread but the title was like the knicks being over .500 appreciation or somethinglike that

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Charles and Kenny are right.

We crapped out in the draft.

OK...we gambled on a pet project in Gallo and passed up on some great young players, cool....why didn't we get someone with star potential, namerecognizability or trade potential this year? How many talented PGs did we pass up in the last 2 drafts? If we want a star swingman, why not get the thing thatthey have been missing their entire career...a PG? We are going to have some real embarrassing losses this year, just like last year. Are Bron or Wade going totake less money and a hit to their reputation/image to come to a worse team?

Even if we hit the free agent jackpot we still don't have the components for a contender. We basically have nothing right now.

Our only hope is packaging Curry so that we can sign two star players, other than that, its another 5 years of futility.

Cap space is great but you still have to build a young core over the course of some seasons to attract a star, make them happy and give your team a chance atwinning.

Getting rid of Z-Bo and Mal were great moves but everything else has been questionable. Especially our draft performance.

Eric Gordon, Courtney Lee, Brook Lopez, DJ Augustine, Bayless, Chalmers, Javalle McGee, JJ Hickson?

Jennings, Terrence Williams, Teague, Maynor, DeRozan, Blair?

Put any combination of those players together and they are more appealing to free agents and better building blocks than Gallinari and Hill.

2011 is an option for improvement but these last few seasons have been about this upcoming summer. The only 2 generational league changers are up for grabs inJuly 2010 and I really don't see us getting either one.
 
im disappointed about brook.
he would have done great in this system
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imo, we dont need another guard/swingman with gallo+chandler. we can only hope that they'll succeed and play well after another year to their belt.
lets just pretend we signed wade.*
we'll start out with a Wade-Chandler-Gallo-Al-Lee (if we resign them, which im thinking we do)
our bench would be more like Douglas, Hill, Jefferies, Curry. if darko plays well, he might be resigned instead of lee, with lee doing a S+T.
Douglas has the potential in being a starter, but of course wade and chandler get the nod in front of him, and hopefully hill would be ready for the NBA.
a lot of ifs, but this is how i see our next offseason.
 
I hope your'e right...eventhough I don't think Chandler and Gallo are that good, that would be a decent roster.
 
Should have kept that closet homosexual Thomas for draft purposes.
 
Word.

The only impact players we have are Zeke picks.

Dave, Nate and Will.

Isiah has the best eyes for talent but is horrible at everything else.
 
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I almost forgot this dude was the number 2 draft pick.

Exactly what did the Pistons see in him?
 
i don't get why we gotta chuck 50 million tres in one game.

it looks good when we make em but we look like a hs team when it dont fall. we have a few ball handlers that can take it to the rack or dish it out. . i meanhow hard can that be?
 
*sigh*

  • 35+ 3pt attempts
  • scoring droughts
  • poor defense
  • nate didn't even score. scored 1 point
  • Gallo was cool
  • Darko was cool up until he hurt his knee (just our luck right?)
  • Duhon 1-7...1-6 on 3's, wow.
i don't get why we gotta chuck 50 million tres in one game.
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You know what this reminds me of?!

Phoenix 111,Knicks 103

NEW YORK KNICKS
STARTERSMINFGM-A3PM-AFTM-AOREBDREBREBASTSTLBLKTOPFPTS
Wilson Chandler, SF336-130-53-407711136+1015
Al Harrington, PF438-222-86-607710114-824
David Lee, C317-90-01-12101202116-215
Quentin Richardson, SG251-40-32-422431113-54
Chris Duhon, PG383-100-31-115691021-77
BENCHMINFGM-A3PM-AFTM-AOREBDREBREBASTSTLBLKTOPFPTS
Jared Jeffries, PF60-00-02-430300022-122
Nate Robinson, PG3612-271-102-236953002-427
Tim Thomas, PF283-122-81-101110022N/A9
Malik Rose, PFDNP COACH'S DECISION
Jerome James, CDNP COACH'S DECISION
Anthony Roberson, SGDNP COACH'S DECISION
Danilo Gallinari, FDNP SORE LOWER BACK
TOTALS
FGM-A3PM-AFTM-AOREBDREBREBASTSTLBLKTOPF PTS

40-975-3718-2311384920841226 103

41.2%13.5%78.3%
In a game where we lose by 8, we take 37 3's where I'm pretty sure 15 of those were just jacked for no significant reason.

I'm convinced dudes just jack, just to jack.
 
Originally Posted by queensfinest2002

BORING

Like I said, 0-1.

When buckets don't drop, they don't have the defense to keep the score close. They just give up until shots start falling again (by then its too late), and then people wonder why they they played with a sense of urgency too late.
 
our defense isnt that bad. we can d up when we want to

but only when we want to or have to.
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& ayo 5-37 thats turrible straight up turrible
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