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That’s such a good point.
They do it in Soccer tho too.
They just don’t give AF - they’ll s*** on all the legends.
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That’s such a good point.
They do it in Soccer tho too.
They just don’t give AF - they’ll s*** on all the legends.
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Jerry West vs JJ (1 vs 1)
Jerry West 11 - JJ 2
Light work. Easy money.
Jerry West 11 - JJ 2
Light work. Easy money.
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That’s such a good point.
They do it in Soccer tho too.
They just don’t give AF - they’ll s*** on all the legends.
PELE > than anyone who has, does or will EVER plai the game
sorry its true
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Stafford better than most them old QB’s…A guy like Steve Young is the exception, but he played a more modern style of QB
Jay Cutler would be a hall of famer if yo played before the 90’s and my dawg Flacco would be the GOAT…They got elite arms and all they had to do was throw 12 passes a game and let the running backs and blocking do the rest of the work
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WASHED KING , there's something that you're doing when you dismiss old players and automatically assume that current players would wash old players. You're failing to consider that environment + technology factors in. You're acting likeg it's just current player versus older player, but that's not the case.
" Lebron James would absolutely destroy anyone in the 60s." Look, by the time Lebron James was in HS, he was so good that damn near his entire senior season was on TV. Now imagine if he had never even touched a basketball until his sophomore/junior season. No 8th grade prep squads w/ coaches and athletic trainers giving him sage advice that he is just TAKING OFF with. Not even a little mini hoop in the living room as a toddler. Nothing.
Just barely even introduced to basketball as a sophomore/junior, maybe as a freshman, and not with nice shoes and shooting sleeves or knee braces. None of the technologies that today's NBA player practically grows up with. If you put Lebron playing against NBA players in the 1960s, no, you don't get the Lebron born in 1984. If we're going to imagine Lebron playing in the 60s, we're going to imagine Lebron born in the late 40s/early 50s.
And then on the flip side, if we're going to put Jerry West against today's players, we have to move Jerry West into today's timeline. Jerry West grew up doing farm work in West Virginia, like every other kid in West Virginia. Imagine him growing up in the late 90s on an AAU squad, having first been introduced to basketball at like 4. Imagine Jerry West going to a premier basketball HS, being given top notch coaching and athletic training since his age was single digits.
Then imagine that scenario... for Wilt. Or Russell. Start grooming Wilt Chamberlain to play basketball only starting at like age 5. Have him grow up wearing top of the line basketball shoes and doing basketball related exercises and drills hardcore starting in about junior high.
It's not just player versus player. It has to be environment + technology + player versus environment + technology + player.
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We’re talking about Jerry West. Not Wilt or Russell. Jerry West.
We can put Jerry West in todays NBA with the training, technology etc he’s Mac McClung.
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No, he'd be Jerry West. And if you put McLung back in Jerry West's day, he wouldn't transform to Michael Jordan. He'd still be McLung.
Clearly you don't get the entire point I was making. You're still neglecting the effect of technology + environment when you say West would be... McLung.
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RAK XMAS , TYLER ENNIS, A WHITE III DOIN WORK !
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Wno would Maravich be ??? JJ Reddick ?
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Jerry West in low top Chuck's not chasing Redick around screens for 48 minutes
Were screens even legal back then?
Were screens even legal back then?
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No, he'd be Jerry West. And if you put McLung back in Jerry West's day, he wouldn't transform to Michael Jordan. He'd still be McLung.
Clearly you don't get the entire point I was making. You're still neglecting the effect of technology + environment when you say West would be... McLung.
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You’re also neglecting the benefits Jerry had from being a white man in America pre-Civil Rights Movement.
If you played the majority of your career during Jim Crow it needs to be evaluated.
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Maravich is busting JJ’s *** too.
That dude’s highlights are insane.
That dude’s highlights are insane.
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Pistol Pete doesn’t get the respect he deserves because he’s not known as a “winner” , but he was a special player that would be better and more appreciated in todays game
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He was ahead of his time. He was nice.
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I'm not neglecting that at all. That's 'environment', and that's the first good point you've made in this entire era conversation.
Now when you put West in today's timeline, playing against mostly black people with an occasional Carlos Arroyo or Yao Ming, you also have to give him basketball as a toddler/young child, as is the norm in our reality. By the time he hits his 9th grade AAU squad we'd start knowing the name. He'd still come out as one of the greatest scorers ever as an adult.
Like I said earlier, same with Wilt & Bill, too.
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The issue is some of you dudes want to play, "Take current player AS IS and teleport him back to the year ____."
Based on that (faulty) hypothetical, of COURSE the current player with all the modern advantages should kill in previous eras.
But it makes no sense to even approach the convo in such a way.
Based on that (faulty) hypothetical, of COURSE the current player with all the modern advantages should kill in previous eras.
But it makes no sense to even approach the convo in such a way.
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Here’s the thing if you use Lebron as an example in another era at worst he’s probably Karl Malone.
Then you have Durant who’s the modern day Wilt without the crazy defense stats.
If we use Drummond who can’t seem to stay on a team his rebounding would be on Wilt/Russell level in their era. Heck Rodman you could say was the Bulls Russell with an eccentric personality.
Going back to that era David Robinson would be unstoppable in the previous era and Embiid in this era of basketball
Then you have Durant who’s the modern day Wilt without the crazy defense stats.
If we use Drummond who can’t seem to stay on a team his rebounding would be on Wilt/Russell level in their era. Heck Rodman you could say was the Bulls Russell with an eccentric personality.
Going back to that era David Robinson would be unstoppable in the previous era and Embiid in this era of basketball
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Bill and Wilt aren’t comparable in this conversation. Both of them were 6’9+ and elite athletes. That transfers regardless of era. They wouldn’t have the same numbers in todays NBA but they would still be able to compete at an elite level.
On the flip side we have 6’3 Jerry west who was an average at best athlete. For Jerry West to be anywhere near the player in todays NBA that we was in his he would need either elite athleticism or a transcendent skill.
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60s and 70s :
Guard play in the '60s was also characterized by a palm-down (pronated) dribble. The effect of this cannot be overstated — guards simply were not allowed to dribble in any modern capacity, which made penetration into this congested traffic difficult.
Guard play in the '60s was also characterized by a palm-down (pronated) dribble. The effect of this cannot be overstated — guards simply were not allowed to dribble in any modern capacity, which made penetration into this congested traffic difficult.
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You're still taking it back to JUST the players. Physical attributes = players.
Lebron James is one of the most freakishly athletic people I have ever seen, but as far as being in the NBA GOAT conversation, his freakish athleticism wouldn't matter growing up on a farm in Akron in the 50s.
Larry Bird wasn't playing basketball against black people in junior high either, because he wasn't playing basketball against anybody in junior high. He didn't even get started in basketball until high school, and as an adult he obviously played against Magic, Dr J, Jordan, Hakeem, Barkley. He didn't get basketball until late, but once he got it, he GOT it. He took what coaches gave him and expounded on it.
These legacies aren't JUST about player attributes.
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Wish I could be around for when they make the simulation/machine to transport players between eras
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Yea been real nasty work seeing people co-opting at large the troll narrative from that racist POS Barry Mckockiner 
Logo pulling JJ's card was warranted, he's had a bit too much dip on his chip ever since he got his ESPN gig.
Acting like he won't be considered one of those 'plumbers/accountants' of this era in the future
Logo pulling JJ's card was warranted
, he's had a bit too much dip on his chip ever since he got his ESPN gig.Acting like he won't be considered one of those 'plumbers/accountants' of this era in the future
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Yea been real nasty work seeing people co-opting at large the troll narrative from that racist POS Barry Mckockner
Logo pulling JJ's card was warranted
That’s how all that BallSack sports, and those other accounts took off too. Copying his work. Never forget when they got Skip to talk about the fake James Harden/CP3, “Man boob” story on Undisputed.
These hot take channels scrapping social media for content/sources, and takes like these get swept up, and parroted to millions more and reinforced. Nasty work
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