2022 NBA Offseason Thread: Preseason kicks off; Things are fine in Los Angeles, Draymond beats the charges

[kingfoamnyc]

You turning into Dr. Phil now cause I'm asking you how RJ has improved as a playmaker and you can't tangibly explain it to me.

Just "you watch the games".

This like the second time you brought up me being "right" . I'm not here to psychoanalyze ****** on the internet bro. I know nothing about you (nor do I care to) to give you a synopsis about yourself

If you want to talk to me about Rui...let's do it. That's what I do. I talk hoops. I aint here to win arguments. It's 2022...we have league pass now. I don't have more knowledge than you on Rui because he's closer to me than you. That's absurd.

addict4sneakers is my man 100 grand and we've disagreed on a ton of **** in here. When we disagree...we don't abort the convo and start talking about what we think of each other.

This is too much projection for me

RJ IS NOT an improved playmaker

You DON'T know Rui's game better than me because you see more of him than I do

You're right I'm wrong

I gave you the attention you so desperately wanted

I didn't quote you but you quoted me

You okay now?

 

[N41D]

You'd obviously like to get Donovan without giving up RJ.

But why is Utah entertaining Toppin, Quickley and Grimes with picks when they just got a better return than that for Rudy?

 

[addict4sneakers]

RJ absolutely is expendable for a better player. But Donovan Mitchell is not that player. Donovan Mitchell at 25 has shown nothing that would make me think I HAVE to get rid of RJ at 21. Then in 4 seasons when he's Spida's age putting up 25 7 5 and the Knicks are back in the lottery after our mid-tier team with our mid-tier star falls apart, everyone's talking about what a bad trade it was with their 20/20 hindsight.

Donovan Mitchell averages 28 ppg in the playoffs. That’s 7 series worth of data.

 

[datznasty]

Donovan Mitchell averaged ONE PASS a game to Rudy Gobert. Not 1 assist, literally 1 pass. I know Rudy isnt Shaq but plenty of times he'd have a small switching guard completely sealed under the basket on his back or worst be rim running all alone and those dude rather dribble dribble take step back 3s

 

[B Sox]

Giving up RJ + Fournier's expiring + draft capital for Mitchell, only to still be in a dogfight with the Wizards for a play-in spot just seems odd.

 

[100027]

I guess some non-Knick fans here are widely convinced the Knicks MUST trade everything of value for Donovan Mitchell. Not clear why except Mitchell is better than everyone on the current team?

We know, no one loves this roster, we just don’t want to go all in with future assets to build around Donovan Mitchell. He’s a good player but he ain’t enough for all that.

What are we then, basically the Beal Wizards? Woo-hoo….

 

[addict4sneakers]

RJ has show plenty of growth, actually has a legit work ethic, and his shooting has drastically improved. He’s 21 and has been on a slow but steady rise and can def be an all star at this rate.

Every single team in the NBA would draft him at #3 in that draft, so to even bring that up is pointless.

These the same bozos that big up NTs favorite losers like KAT and Booker, but **** on Jimmy Butler.

On NT pointless analytics and stats >>>> anything else. If a 21 year old has a mediocre advanced stat then we must write him off completely without watching more than 5 games he played all season.

Big cap. He shot 40% last year. Still a below league average from 3. Still average from the foul line. He hasn’t improved as a shooter. Maybe your eyes see something else than what the stats show.

Zero teams are taking him over garland. Doubt he’s getting selected over herro either.

 

[kingfoamnyc]

You'd obviously like to get Donovan without giving up RJ.

But why is Utah entertaining Toppin, Quickley and Grimes with picks when they just got a better return than that for Rudy?

I think it boils down to getting the needs met for both parties

Donovan gets NYC

Utah gets the most picks (priority) and multiple young players that don't have to be paid

I'm sure Utah would prefer Miami's talent but they can't offer the picks

 

[VARNELL HILL]

This is too much projection for me

RJ IS NOT an improved playmaker

You DON'T know Rui's game better than me because you see more of him than I do

You're right I'm wrong

I gave you the attention you so desperately wanted

I didn't quote you but you quoted me

You okay now?

EYE wanted the attention, but you took it HERE from me simply asking you how RJ has improved as a playmaker

You're wild catty right now for no reason

Enjoy your day bro.

 

[HIM]

Speaking of RJ, has he signed an extension yet? What’s taking them so long to ge that done?

 

[wavycrocket]

RJ is Will Barton with 2K badges.

But on the real. RJ got talent, and got better. I just don’t see him as a lead handler/player or go to guy on a team that’s thriving. Best case, is he develops into a Demar Derozen level guy in the East. He might can get there.

RJ as a Wiggins type of cat, could work in the right setting tho.

 

[VARNELL HILL]

You'd obviously like to get Donovan without giving up RJ.

But why is Utah entertaining Toppin, Quickley and Grimes with picks when they just got a better return than that for Rudy?

This idea that Utah would need to preserve cap is interesting too. Who they saving cap space for?

Who's signing in Utah...ever?

 

[addict4sneakers]

Speaking of RJ, has he signed an extension yet? What’s taking them so long to ge that done?

 

[blakep267]

Beverley probably led his pong team to an unexpected win.

Whole lot of white wimminz

 

[worldbeefreeg]

Comparing Demar Derozan, who arguably has like the most game and one of the biggest bags in the league, to RJ Barrett.

What are these days we are living in…

 

[datznasty]

As an unbiased observer, RJ is extra mid. If he's anything more than your 3rd best player, you suck. Alec Burks too. NYK had a bunch of 4th best players.

I am not overly enamored with Mitchell, but he'd be an improvement to him. Still would just get you at best a lower playoff seed, maybe even play in and years of sub mediocrity but when you just missed the playoffs in the Mecca of basketball, getting there is the next step. It's just is there any steps past that?

 

[B Sox]

RJ just far too young for me to definitively say what he is. I do like the idea of him just trying to emulate everything Jimmy Butler does.

Jimmy himself was just entering the league at the age RJ is at now though. Didn't start to become the player we now know him as until he was 25.

PLENTY of time for development.

 

[storm2006]

Zero teams are taking him over garland. Doubt he’s getting selected over herro either.

Not trying to get involved in an RJ Barrett quarrel on a Thursday morning/afternoon but I think he pretty clearly meant at the time of the draft, not in a re-draft where the names you mentioned would clearly get selected ahead of him.

Whole thing is getting blown out of proportion IMO. I do not see a problem with NYK fans wanting to keep RJB in lieu of trading him for Spida when Brunson is the other lead guard. Trading RJ for Mitch probably the difference between being a 9-11 seed and a 11-13….ala the Beal Wizards as someone pointed out.

 

[HIM]

Didn’t eem mean that as a gotcha post

Is it just that the Knicks don’t believe in him?

 

[addict4sneakers]

Not trying to get involved in an RJ Barrett quarrel on a Thursday morning/afternoon but I think he pretty clearly meant at the time of the draft, not in a re-draft where the names you mentioned would clearly get selected ahead of him.

Whole thing is getting blown out of proportion IMO. I do not see a problem with NYK fans wanting to keep RJB in lieu of trading him for Spida when Brunson is the other lead guard. Trading RJ for Mitch probably the difference between being a 9-11 seed and a 11-13….ala the Beal Wizards as someone pointed out.

If that’s the case I’ll stand corrected but at the time of the draft doesn’t matter if we are talking about what’s going on now.

Forgot Jordan Poole was in the draft. Not going to speculate what he would do because he wasn’t asked to play the minutes RJ has

 

[ballinsam23]

Zero teams are taking him over garland. Doubt he’s getting selected over herro either.

Aint no body gives af about Tyler Herro man. Stop it. Teams value wings, even non consistent shooting ones, over a streaky SG that can’t play defense.

During the actual draft not one team would pass on RJ at #3. There were rumors of him going #2.

 

[Based Jesus]

Comparing Demar Derozan, who arguably has like the most game and one of the biggest bags in the league, to RJ Barrett.

What are these days we are living in…

Demar wasn't that good in the beginning of his career. Almost no one is. Why do basketball fans forget all about the development that goes into most players to become a star?

Demar was not that impressive 10 years ago when he was RJs age. But the Raptors didn't trade him for Monta Ellis. They kept him and developed him and he became an all-star. Then they traded him for a much better player than they would've gotten for him back then.

Get rich quick schemes instead of player development has almost always blown up in a team's face. Trading for Lebron is like the one exception.

 

[MVP]

Kid is 22, even IF he may be closer to his ceiling than this floor right now, you don't trade him + all them picks for Donovan who is not a #1 type guy. Minnesota can do it because they already have Antman (supertar potential), KAT (multiple all star), D-Lo (fringe guy) to pair with a Gobert.

Knicks don't really have any promise on the roster outside of RJ right now.
There's examples recently of BI, Jaylen, etc. who all popped in their 4th season and are legit #2 options themselves; if it wasn't for how mid the Brunson-Donovan pairing would be on it's own then sure maybe you entertain it a bit more. But RJ has shown enough flashes and has the work ethic to be a part of their efforts going forward.

 

[storm2006]

Beverley probably led his pong team to an unexpected win.

Whole lot of white wimminz

 

[ballinsam23]

It sucks the Wolves had to get ripped off so bad for Gobert, that the consensus around the league is that the Jazz are gonna get 5 FRPs for Donovan now.

Melo got traded for 3 young players and 1 unprotected pick. Ain’t no way should Mitchell get a larger return.