2022 NBA Offseason Thread: Preseason kicks off; Things are fine in Los Angeles, Draymond beats the charges

[100027]

Using raw assist numbers as the measure of improved playmaking is kinda weak.

RJ ain’t Steve Nash but he’s a willing passer. He has never really been the guy he was projected to be from Duke (I.e. selfish tunnel vision scorer). That said I don’t think his upside is really that high, but he absolutely has the profile to be a quality winning starter for a long time. Not a star or a go to scorer.

 

[kingfoamnyc]

Love that Knicks fans can see the vision , would be a loss giving him up for Donovan imo.

Would be a come up rather than a lateral if they can end up with both

Utah won't even ask for him cause they don't want to pay him

RJ and Randle (unfortunately) stays.

IQ, Grimes, Obi, Rose, Reddish plus 5 picks is a nice return for Utah

 

[dman14]

If rj is the reason they dont pull the trigger on Donovan
Franchise with a history of bad drafting and trouble signing free agents. You got a guy in don that would not mind playing in nyc

 

[amitt5504]

The jokes write themselves lol

 

[Coupé It]

Love that Knicks fans can see the vision , would be a loss giving him up for Donovan imo.

Would be a come up rather than a lateral if they can end up with both

Utah won’t even want RJ anyway.

They’re tanking thru the Ardennes right now

And they don’t want to be committed to the RJ contract.

 

[storm2006]

Steph could win the next 5 titles and he still won't be better than Lebron.

why this kills yall steph fans is beyond me

we both know he isnt better

Imagine if everyone could just accept that both Steph and Bron are among the greatest all-time, that we've all had the privilege of watching over the past 2 decades instead of comparing them on a daily basis?

Yeah, man….unfortunately we have reached a point where this conversation just is not worth having anymore because there are not enough people willing, or quite frankly capable, enough to put bias aside, admit their aubjectivity and/or apply nuance to the debate. Outside of clear cut GOATs i.e. athletes such as Michael Jordan and Tom Brady, every other ranking is based on personal bias.

Which is okay. You might have grown up in a different era, you might value different things (skill sets, physical abilities/attributes, statistics, personal accolades, championships, records, etc), you might relate to someone more, you might hate a player because they crushed your spirit by beating your favorite team/player, you might favor a player because they were on your squad. The lIst goes on but really at the end of the day, no one is “right” and these lists are really just preferences based on one’s personal values in that area.

It promise y’all that watching basketball, sports or even living life in general is better when you get that hatred out your heart, take the blinders off and just appreciate what is in front of and around you

 

[VARNELL HILL]

It's an improvement from where he was the season before

Your dead trying to argue with me about me saying a young player on a team I watch improved in a specific facet of his game

Make it make sense

Y'all pressed to be soooo right when it comes to things you have a limited scope or knowledge on

I'm not gonna argue with you at all if you told me Rui had improved in a particular area of his game compared to a year prior

You see way more of him than I do so I'ma actually LISTEN to what you speaking on.

Losing me.

You turning into Dr. Phil now cause I'm asking you how RJ has improved as a playmaker and you can't tangibly explain it to me.

Just "you watch the games".

This like the second time you brought up me being "right" . I'm not here to psychoanalyze ****** on the internet bro. I know nothing about you (nor do I care to) to give you a synopsis about yourself

If you want to talk to me about Rui...let's do it. That's what I do. I talk hoops. I aint here to win arguments. It's 2022...we have league pass now. I don't have more knowledge than you on Rui because he's closer to me than you. That's absurd.

addict4sneakers is my man 100 grand and we've disagreed on a ton of **** in here. When we disagree...we don't abort the convo and start talking about what we think of each other.

 

[Based Jesus]

RJ put up 20 a game at 21 years old and proved multiple times last season he can be counted on for a tough or clutch basket, even as bad as his overall efficiency was.

He lead all 21 and unders in 30 point games last season, including a 30 point HALF, got to the playoffs in his 2nd year, has a career high of 46 and has recorded 3000 points, 1000 rebounds and 500 assists so far in 3 years.

If he was on any other team doing this we wouldn't be talking about him like this. Any other 21 year old with those numbers isn't being talked about like this.

This is just typical "Lol Knicks" bs. And to prop up Donovan Mitchell of all people like he's this can't miss opportunity to win multiple championships when we all know he's not. Disgusting. Do better.

 

[Mister Meaner]

Knicks trade away their best yout for Donovan Mitchell so they can play him 49 min a night next to Jalen Brunson. The same Donovan Mitchell who has done nothing with a the DPOY standing behind him.

Mans not wasting the energy arguing such sound logic.

 

[HOU$TON]

First rookie with 5 straight 30+ point games since Allen Iverson. He’ll be the best SG in the league by year 3.

 

[nick.]

I like RJ Barrett. I think whatever his ceiling his, he's a hard enough worker to reach it.

I also don't think he's an untouchable prospect but I would rather him not be moved for Donovan Mitchell.

 

[rolaholic]

First rookie with 5 straight 30+ point games since Allen Iverson. He’ll be the best SG in the league by year 3.

 

[worldbeefreeg]

Knick fan here who has been watching RJ since Duke.

He has zero wiggle, poor handle and can’t shoot. He’s also selfish and doesn’t make good reads for someone who wants to have the ball in his hands. If he was better at running the offense, it would show in the numbers.

The best thing going for him is that he has #ThatDawg in him. The right development track for him would be to max out as a defender and work on just trying to get to the hole as much as possible.

But essentially I don’t see a real scenario where’s he’s a starting player on a real contending team.

I’m very fine moving off him for Mitchell, just not enamored with Mitchell either (another selfish guy who completely froze out his second best player). Just don’t want to give up a lot of picks or Grimes who I think is an ideal 2 guard in the modern NBA.

 

[HOU$TON]

Better than boffum

 

[VARNELL HILL]

RJ put up 20 a game at 21 years old and proved multiple times last season he can be counted on for a tough or clutch basket, even as bad as his overall efficiency was.

He lead all 21 and unders in 30 point games last season, including a 30 point HALF, got to the playoffs in his 2nd year, has a career high of 46 and has recorded 3000 points, 1000 rebounds and 500 assists so far in 3 years.

If he was on any other team doing this we wouldn't be talking about him like this. Any other 21 year old with those numbers isn't being talked about like this.

This is just typical "Lol Knicks" bs. And to prop up Donovan Mitchell of all people like he's this can't miss opportunity to win multiple championships when we all know he's not. Disgusting. Do better.

He was the third pick in an NBA Draft Please...just look at each #3 pick in the NBA Draft of the last 10 years and ask yourself if they illicit an obvious high amount of attention and discourse. Good or bad.

Ya'll trying to turn this into an "haha knicks suck" thing is ridiculous. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE go back to 2016-2017 and look what this thread was saying about Jaylen Brown. ****** weren't crying about it.

There's also an EXTREME irony in this case since Donovan Mitchell was getting picked apart in here and the national media after year 2 and there were serious concerns about how much better he could get. It's like ya'll only hear the negative and want to fight back against that.

Saying RJ Barrett hasn't improved as a playmaker or is expendable for a better player should not warrant this kind of pushback

 

[addict4sneakers]

We can talk about Knicks players without it being an attack on the Knicks organization. There’s plenty of time to clown them for other things

 

[storm2006]

Big RJ Barrett Thread. WATTBA.

 

[rolaholic]

Would love to see the stat on the number of 2nd or 3rd generation players in the league

 

[had pants]

 

[art vandelay]

Would love to see the stat on the number of 2nd or 3rd generation players in the league

Me too, and since this is NT and we’re known for our own hot takes I got Steph and Klay as #1 and #2 respectively

 

[B Sox]

RJ and Spida relatively comparable numbers-wise at age 21.

Would try to figure out how to have them both on the team if possible and go from there.

 

[pums]

Would love to see the stat on the number of 2nd or 3rd generation players in the league

Another

 

[Based Jesus]

RJ absolutely is expendable for a better player. But Donovan Mitchell is not that player. Donovan Mitchell at 25 has shown nothing that would make me think I HAVE to get rid of RJ at 21. Then in 4 seasons when he's Spida's age putting up 25 7 5 and the Knicks are back in the lottery after our mid-tier team with our mid-tier star falls apart, everyone's talking about what a bad trade it was with their 20/20 hindsight.

 

[worldbeefreeg]

Someone tell me what RJ Barrett is good at…

 

[ballinsam23]

RJ has show plenty of growth, actually has a legit work ethic, and his shooting has drastically improved. He’s 21 and has been on a slow but steady rise and can def be an all star at this rate.

Every single team in the NBA would draft him at #3 in that draft, so to even bring that up is pointless.

These the same bozos that big up NTs favorite losers like KAT and Booker, but **** on Jimmy Butler.

On NT pointless analytics and stats >>>> anything else. If a 21 year old has a mediocre advanced stat then we must write him off completely without watching more than 5 games he played all season.