2014 NFL Draft Thread

[ThaxbyChamblis]

Clowney can play whatever he wants to, but w/ his gift I'm playing him just like Peppers and Mario Williams, 6/7 technique

 

[IATT]

Clowney can play whatever he wants to, but w/ his gift I'm playing him just like Peppers and Mario Williams, 6/7 technique

Yup.. The most id do other than that, is play him at some 3 tech on passing downs

 

[651akathepaul]

"0" Tech - Instructs defender to align "head up" on the center.

"1" Tech - Instructs defender to align his outside shoulder with the inside shoulder of the guard.

"2" Tech - Instructs defender to align "head up" on the guard.

"3" Tech - Instructs defender to align his inside shoulder with the outside shoulder of the guard.

"4" Tech - Instructs defender to align outside shoulder with the inside shoulder of the tackle.

"5" Tech - Instructs defender to align inside shoulder with the outside shoulder of the tackle.

"7" Tech - Instructs defender to align outside shoulder with the inside shoulder of the tight end. If no tight end, defender aligns on the imaginary tight end.

"6" Tech - Instructs defender to align "head up" on tight end.

"9" Tech - Instructs defender to align inside shoulder on the outside shoulder of the tight end.

 

[IATT]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/08/12/defensive-line-techniques-the-prototypes/

 

[CP1708]

Dion Jordan played a ton less, even dropped into coverage at times, still went #3 overall and is not the physical animal that Clowney is. And Jordan is making an impact, tho we are bringing him along slowly after his shoulder injury and late graduation.

Clowney will be great........as long as he avoids the Jags.

Him on the Giants or Steelers tho.

 

[tmay407]

Is there someone I can read the difference a between all the techs for d-linemen ?

http://smartfootball.blogspot.com/2008/10/linemen-splits.html

Learn it. Know it. Live it.

 

[CP1708]

Dre, contain I know, but spill? Is that back out of backfield, or QB shadow?

 

[tmay407]

JJ, that's correct. Philly was running a wide 9 with those DEs.

Dre, contain I know, but spill? Is that back out of backfield, or QB shadow?

Similar to what Miami did under Jimmy Johnson, I believe.

Spill Players

As spill players, our defensive linemen are looking to attack the inside shoulder of any blockers or ball carriers attacking to their gap. This will force the ball to "spill" to the outside. On the outside, we use our Safeties (quarters coverage) or Corners (cover 2) to contain the play. We teach our Defensive linemen to spill plays using 6 steps:

Get Off: Fire off the ball low and hard on the snap, stepping to the crotch of the defender you are shaded on.
Engage: Shoot your near hand to the V of his neck. The outside hand will control his shoulder pad.
Escape: On our third step, the linemen are looking to escape from the Defender. They will RIP off with their inside arm to gain control of their gap and work to the football. We are not simply taking up space! Our defensive linemen are athletes too, and we want them to be playmakers!
Bend: Versus any down blocks, our defensive linemen are bending down the line of scrimmage immediately. We tell our linemen to treat any action away from them as "Run Away" and begin to chase. If the play is coming back, you will collision a pulling blocker!
Wrong Arm: In engaging a pulling lineman or other blocker, we will use our outside shoulder to attack the inside shoulder of the lineman. We are aggressive in engaging the blocker, attacking with the outside 4/5 of our body on the inside 4/5 of his body. We want to blow up that blocker. By wrong arming the trapper, we are forcing the play to bounce to the outside.
Chase: When the play has begun to spill to the outside, we get into a pursuit angle down the line. We want to be in position that, once the runner is forced back inside by the contain player (usually the Safety or Corner), we can make the tackle.

 

[ThaxbyChamblis]

yeah 9 tech is what Philly did, "Wide 9"

JJ plays 3 & 5 techniques, there was an article last year about it. 5 tech's arent really noted as pass rushers but he sorta broke the mold

 

[CP1708]

Yes, Philly and that wide 9 outside the TE stuff.

Ngata and Vince 0-1, Watt is everything, 2-7 really.

 

[CP1708]

JJ, that's correct. Philly was running a wide 9 with those DEs.

Dre, contain I know, but spill? Is that back out of backfield, or QB shadow?

Similar to what Miami did under Jimmy Johnson, I believe.

Spill Players

As spill players, our defensive linemen are looking to attack the inside shoulder of any blockers or ball carriers attacking to their gap. This will force the ball to "spill" to the outside. On the outside, we use our Safeties (quarters coverage) or Corners (cover 2) to contain the play. We teach our Defensive linemen to spill plays using 6 steps:

Get Off: Fire off the ball low and hard on the snap, stepping to the crotch of the defender you are shaded on.
Engage: Shoot your near hand to the V of his neck. The outside hand will control his shoulder pad.
Escape: On our third step, the linemen are looking to escape from the Defender. They will RIP off with their inside arm to gain control of their gap and work to the football. We are not simply taking up space! Our defensive linemen are athletes too, and we want them to be playmakers!
Bend: Versus any down blocks, our defensive linemen are bending down the line of scrimmage immediately. We tell our linemen to treat any action away from them as "Run Away" and begin to chase. If the play is coming back, you will collision a pulling blocker!
Wrong Arm: In engaging a pulling lineman or other blocker, we will use our outside shoulder to attack the inside shoulder of the lineman. We are aggressive in engaging the blocker, attacking with the outside 4/5 of our body on the inside 4/5 of his body. We want to blow up that blocker. By wrong arming the trapper, we are forcing the play to bounce to the outside.
Chase: When the play has begun to spill to the outside, we get into a pursuit angle down the line. We want to be in position that, once the runner is forced back inside by the contain player (usually the Safety or Corner), we can make the tackle.

So basically occupy blockers and let your tacklers (Zach Thomas, Ray Lewis) make tackles. I've heard that with DT's in 4-3's, never realized it for DE's.

Thank you both.

 

[tmay407]

Anybody else have trouble getting spoilers to work with the iPad? Can never get them to post properly.

 

[CP1708]

It was there when you first posted, but you moved something, the Philly comment was under it, now its over it. Must have altered it, cuz I did click the spoiler.

 

[ThaxbyChamblis]

It's crazy what these defense can do these days. All these hybrids and specialty players, multiple types of the same defense. The Jets 3-4 isn't like the Steelers 3-4 who aren't like the Cardinals 3-4 which is different from the Texans 3-4. One gap 3-4? 2 gap 3-4? 4-2-5? 3-2-6? 3-3-5? ***** crazy

 

[tmay407]

tried to move some stuff around to get the spoiler to work. Just ended up saying eff it and putting the text in a quote box instead of a spoiler.

I think the problem is the iPad has trouble opening the spoiler. I clicked on it after posting and it just sent me to the top of the page. Decided to try to fix as mentioned in the first line.

 

[gunna get it]

Spilling the play is shootng inside on down blocks. The backer or ss replaces as the contain

Most ppl don't know what they are watching. They don't understand schemes and philosophies. Hence ,people believing Clowney hasn't played well

Its why you really shouldn't listen to most ppl spouting off about football unless you are sure they really have an understanding of what they are watching

 

[tmay407]

It's crazy what these defense can do these days. All these hybrids and specialty players, multiple types of the same defense. The Jets 3-4 isn't like the Steelers 3-4 who aren't like the Cardinals 3-4 which is different from the Texans 3-4. One gap 3-4? 2 gap 3-4? 4-2-5? 3-2-6? 3-3-5? ***** crazy

And it's even crazier when you think about all of the adjustments these OCs are coming up with to combat the changing defenses Way too much to try to keep up with.

Edit: I should also note that I didn't play football past junior high...where I was a 5'6" 125 lb. SS lining up on the LOS blitzing the QB every play

 

[ThaxbyChamblis]

Was that the reasoning behind Philly last year running that tech 9 with their DEs to funnel everything inside because their corners weren't worth **** in the run game?

Basically allowing the LBers to make plays?

Thanks for the info so far also

Wide 9 is used for pass rushing. DE's sorta have little run responsibility and they are just tasked with getting to the QB as fast as possible. Which is good if your keeping teams in 2nd/3rd and long, but if not...well....you have problems lol

And it's even crazier when you think about all of the adjustments these OCs are coming up with to combat the changing defenses mean.gif Way too much to try to keep up with.

Sight adjustments, packaged plays it's silly. Packaged plays are dope as hell, it's like a passing zone read lol

 

[CP1708]

It's crazy what these defense can do these days. All these hybrids and specialty players, multiple types of the same defense. The Jets 3-4 isn't like the Steelers 3-4 who aren't like the Cardinals 3-4 which is different from the Texans 3-4. One gap 3-4? 2 gap 3-4? 4-2-5? 3-2-6? 3-3-5? ***** crazy

And it's even crazier when you think about all of the adjustments these OCs are coming up with to combat the changing defenses Way too much to try to keep up with.

Or the fact that rookie QB's have been coming in day 1 and handling it all.

Some of their #'s are easier rules, but they still have to read the defenses pre snap. Pretty impressive really.

 

[gunna get it]

Was that the reasoning behind Philly last year running that tech 9 with their DEs to funnel everything inside because their corners weren't worth **** in the run game?

Basically allowing the LBers to make plays?

Thanks for the info so far also

no.

 

[ThaxbyChamblis]

Or the fact that rookie QB's have been coming in day 1 and handling it all.

Some of their #'s are easier rules, but they still have to read the defenses pre snap. Pretty impressive really.

Some of it is just numbers though. If you are outnumbered (more defenders than blockers) you run play 1. If not run play 2. Post snap is a little more tricky but some presnap stuff is just basic math.

 

[shox23]

It's crazy what these defense can do these days. All these hybrids and specialty players, multiple types of the same defense. The Jets 3-4 isn't like the Steelers 3-4 who aren't like the Cardinals 3-4 which is different from the Texans 3-4. One gap 3-4? 2 gap 3-4? 4-2-5? 3-2-6? 3-3-5? ***** crazy

Seahawks 3-4 hybrids with the Leo

The wide 9 is terrible imo it comprises the run defense too much, it opens huge running lanes and if your des go up field the qb steps up into clean pocket, puts to much responsibility on safeties,

 

[champcruthik]

Clowney, Matthews, Barr, Teddy. For me.

 

[tmay407]

There was a really good season-long series a few years ago on TAMU's Rivals site where one of the posters (guy who used to play DE at Harvard) broke down the pre-snap film of QBs reading the "in the box" numbers from TAMU's defense and audibling to more favorable plays based on the reads.

Damn near every play ended up going for significant yardage. I wish I would have saved all of it somewhere. Really fascinating stuff that really goes far above my head.

 

[IATT]

Ah ok.

They lined up in the tech 9 because Phillis secondary wasnt that good last year.

So basically to allow to DE to get to the QB faster to put less strain in the DBs?

No, it was a combination of a couple things.. But mainly, it was a defense that Andy Reid struggled against because it is extremely effective against the pass (especially when you are calling for deeper routes that obviously take time)

Andy figured our offense would score so many points that defenses would be forced to throw and thus Jim wasburn's scheme and philosophy would be effective


But teams just allowed our ends to run themselves out of the play.. Then our tackles were easily dealt with since they were smaller pass rushing DTs who could succeed when asked to be 1 gap penetrators (under Jim Johnson).. But in the wide 9 could easily be schemed out of the play..

Then our linebackers either had to take on Olineman in the running game.. Or just weren't that good to "clean up" the action


And then our secondary was a whole nother mess.. But basically no one could tackle.. But the thought process was that the pressure created from the wide 9 would force QBs to make bad decisions that our secondary would be able to take advantage of