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[Coupé It]

NBA ain't vetoing ****

I hope they do tho just so I can see LeBron and Wiggins on a fast break.

If the NBA does veto the trade aren't they screwing the Timberwolves as well? Because K Love will just sign as a free agent and then the Wolves get NOTHING. Now that'd be hilarious.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

I'm just trying to figure how Gilbert was wrong.


You don't want a trade vetoed? Don't try to trade for a player on team that's owned by the 29 other owners you are competing with.

What type of silly reasoning is this?

So the Clippers weren't competing with the rest of the league when they were gifted CP3? I'm not even sure you know what point you're trying to make.

And Dan Gilbert has proven to be a hypocrite and a fraud. He was still reeling from LBJ dipping on his *** and the scorn hadn't washed away yet after a full NBA season and 5 month lockout. Dude brought up a deal which had NOT YET HAPPENED as a reason why Chris Paul couldn't go to the Lakers. He basically said, "If you allow this to go through, it makes it easier for them to get Dwight Howard. It's not fair!!"

Nah...you know what ain't fair? Winning a franchise altering lottery for the homegrown generational talent...and your own mismanagement causes him to leave.

Mismanagement led to him leaving...which led to a new CBA that benefits small-market teams with rules slanted in their favor and more revenue sharing money in their pockets. So your own incompetence indirectly led to more rewards. That's not fair.

"Winning" the lottery THREE times in four years isn't fair.

Having that same generational talent decide to return home DURING HIS PRIME despite the fact you're STILL as incompetent as ever and you wrote a scathing letter denouncing him for life. That's not fair.

All your recent good fortune and luck now allowing you to acquire a major player who originally wanted nothing to do with you. While possibly having some sort of shady agreement for a long-term deal after he opts out. That's not fair.

Going on a tireless crusade against the formations of big 3's...having enough major influence in CBA negotiations to drive that point across...yet still ending up with your own iteration while most teams are restricted by the current CBA that YOU campaigned for. That's not fair.

There was a HUGE conflict of interest which came into play in the failed CP3 trade. From more than one party. Basketball reasons had very little to do with it. Those were the issues.

DId the Clippers trade involve them taking on more payroll than the Lakers trade?

Please enlighten us to the payments the Cleveland Cavaliers have received as a part of this new CBA.

 

[dipsetgeneral]

Yeah, I don't think the NBA is gonna veto this trade...

 

[Quincy McCall]

Would hate for Wiggins to stay after they embarrassed him like that

#FREEWIGGY

 

[essential1]

NBA ain't vetoing ****

I hope they do tho just so I can see LeBron and Wiggins on a fast break.

If the NBA does veto the trade aren't they screwing the Timberwolves as well? Because K Love will just sign as a free agent and then the Wolves get NOTHING. Now that'd be hilarious.

He won't be able to get to Cavs through FA.

Kyrie, LeBron, Wiggins, Mike Miller and 7 cap holds would put the Cavs $2.4mil short of a max deal for Love.

They'd basically have to trade 2 #4 picks and a #1 pick for future picks only.. can't have any salary other than those 4 I mention before and even then Love has to take a paycut

 

[a-friend]

They'd simply make moves to get Love in FA if they didn't get him in trade. Mike Miller would be the easy release

 

[datznasty]

NBA ain't vetoing ****

I hope they do tho just so I can see LeBron and Wiggins on a fast break.

If the NBA does veto the trade aren't they screwing the Timberwolves as well? Because K Love will just sign as a free agent and then the Wolves get NOTHING. Now that'd be hilarious.

But Rubio leading a fastbreak with Wiggins on 1 wing and Lavine on the other.

 

[blastercombo]

This is so stupid. If that trade had went down the new owner would've been completely justified in firing every bum involved with that bull **** deal. Talking about "what they agreed and wanted to do" sheeeeeit who the **** is in charge? You don't just trade the best player on the team cuz you the gm. Run that **** by the owner. Oh wait who was the owner then? David Stern. Blocked. Simple as that. It's really no different than when you hear of rumored blockbuster trades that were in place but the owner doesn't want it to happen for w/e reason. In this case Stern has the clear and most reasonable excuse. Letting them make moves to appear more desirable to buy is a good thing (small trades, dumping bad contracts, etc.), getting trash for their best player, not so much. **** I wish Stern fired the GM before the team got bought for trying to sneak that **** past him in the first place.

So the NBA should block every bad trade? Guess A LOT of trades should be stopped. Matter of fact the NBA should stop some of these players (KOBE) from taking as much money as they do because that leaves the team in a bad position for getting more players.

GMs should write more rage letters more often.

 

[equality]

Was it not possible for this trade not to leak out or at least be as obvious as it was? 

Could've kept it extremely low key till the trade actually happened

 

[frink85]

DId the Clippers trade involve them taking on more payroll than the Lakers trade?

Please enlighten us to the payments the Cleveland Cavaliers have received as a part of this new CBA.

Needed a study break so this was a good excuse

Salaries from 2010-11 via espn

Pau- 17.8
Odom- 8.2

Kaman- 11.8
Gordon- 3.0
Aminu- 2.6
Minny 1st

Martin- 10.6
Scola- 7.8
Dragic- 2.0
Rockets 1st

Paul- 15.8

So for the original trade
Lakers -10.2 mil
Rockets -2.6 mil
Hornets +12.8 mil

The rockets were saving money (albeit a lot less money), why didn't Gilbert add them to that letter?
Plus the lakers were giving up the 2nd best player in the deal and the 6th man of the year to get Paul, everyone says you can't get equal value when you trade a superstar but it's not like they were trading kwame brown for CP3 lol ).

The clippers deal:
Clippers -1.6 mil
Hornets +1.6 mil

Pretty much a wash financially. The bitter taste though is that the financial basis of the deal was the expiring contract of Chris kaman, but for what? Cap space with No owner and a GM cut off at the balls isn't doing much. And the fact that demps was doing his job of making the team competitive how he saw fit was taken away from him and he had to go for "young talent" that hasn't panned out.

The part that bugs the most is like illoquent said and the articles he posted talked about (repped on all fronts btw) that the rockets didn't get the guy they really wanted, demps was undercut, and the lakers plans were dismantled (not to mention an emo LO demanding a trade after) and the nba just gave us "basketball reasons". No further explanation, no mention of the internal discussions that went into this, nothing. "Basketball reasons".

Also I tried finding revenue sharing numbers, no dice. But for what it's worth, the lakers paid 49 mil the highest in the league last year with that crap team. (http://grantland.com/the-triangle/g...e-jason-kidd-mess-has-a-144-million-pricetag/)

Another good article from back then:

http://www.si.com/more-sports/2011/12/09/hornets-neednewowners

The initial response by the league is understandable. It follows years of simmering arguments that were not cooled by the new collective bargaining agreement, which five owners refused to ratify on the same day the Hornets' trade was canceled. Bad feelings remain about the outcome of the lockout negotiations, because it maintained a soft cap that won't prevent the Lakers from outspending the rest of the league, even after a more punitive luxury tax takes effect in two years.

But what did these owners expect? They were asking for expanded revenue sharing from the Lakers at the same time as they were demanding the Lakers relinquish their competitive advantage by submitting to a hard cap. Why should the Lakers cut themselves on both ends?

But I wonder how much time was spent thinking about the Hornets.

...

More constructively, the Hornets also saw how the Utah Jazz dealt with the potential departure of point guard Deron Williams last February: They made a bold, preemptive trade that sent him to the Nets for Derrick Favors, Devin Harris, a pick that has turned into highly attractive center Enes Kanter, with another first-rounder to come next summer.

...

The O'Connor precedent suggests that small-market franchises need not be bullied. By dictating the terms preemptively in New Orleans, Demps was demanding talent in return while sparing Hornets fans the humiliation of being at the mercy of Paul's imminent departure as a free agent next summer.

That's why the Hornets wanted to deal Paul for four potential starters. By recognizing they weren't likely to sign free agents, especially while they wait to be sold by the NBA to a private buyer, the Hornets used their cap space to turn Paul's $16.4 million salary into $31.1 million in credible talent.

The acquisitions of Lamar Odom from the Lakers and Luis Scola from the Rockets would have absolved New Orleans from re-signing free agent David West. Newcomer Goran Dragic would have joined incumbent Jarrett Jack to fill in for Paul at the point, and 6-foot-7 shooting guard Kevin Martin averaged 23.5 points for the Rockets in 80 games last season. That core would have been supplemented by starting small forward Trevor Ariza, backup guard Willie Green and center Emeka Okafor, whose large salary could be put out to amnesty (likely after the team is sold) to provide the Hornets with potential cap space next summer.

The bottom-line goal of this trade was to protect the investment of the 29 NBA owners in the Hornets.

 

[johnnyredstorm]

You guys are still talking about this stupid trade?

Ok, I'll come back in a few hours to watch y'all still arguing in circles.

 

[buc em]

You guys are still talking about this stupid trade?

Ok, I'll come back in a few hours to watch y'all still arguing in circles.

THIS

Holy **** shut the **** up about an irrelevant trade that never happened.

This is by far the worst thread on this entire site.

 

[mjsaver]

No matter what the topic is someone comes in everyday and complains, it never fails

Talking bout Rose thread sucks

A vs B thread sucks

Kevin Love slander thread sucks

Basketball kicks discussed thread sucks

CP3 veto breakdown thread sucks


Y'all are never happy

 

[buc em]

Well yeah no ****

Beating any topic to death over and over and over and over again does suck.

 

[frink85]

Geez my bad sorry for contributing to a discussion on this page :\

 

[mjsaver]

Well yeah no ****

Beating any topic to death over and over and over and over again does suck.

It's the off season fam don't know what you expect

All these convos go in cycles and you're a NT Vet you should know that by now.......don't tell me you expect a brand new interesting topic everyday in the OFFSEASON thread.

Honestly @illoquentakdsk was dropping some good info and judging by the reps on his posts I'm not the only one who found it interesting.

 

[blastercombo]

Geez my bad sorry for contributing to a discussion on this page :\

Don't worry about these "I'm sooooo cool" guys.

 

[lawdog1]

I'm pretty over the topic as well, so this is thr last thing I'll say about it. You can talk about the reasons why it went down the way it did, but at the end of the day, the way the Chris Paul trade worked out did more good than harm for the teams involved and the league as whole. The competitive balance in the West got better, the Clippers became a legitimate franchise (which is one of the reasons the team is finally going to be taken away from that D-bag Sterling) and the Hornets (Pelican s) wound up with a guy who's probably going to be the best player in the league within 5 years.

Only team that clearly "lost" was the Lakers, yet the next year they put together a team that people were thinking could be one of the best ever. So, I hardly see how its justified for Laker fans to blame David Stern and "basketball reasons" for the current state of the franchise. The Lakers are where they are for a lot of reasons and thr fact they didn't get CP is pretty low on the list, IMO.

Ok, I'm done now.

 

[buc em]

I'm pretty over the topic as well, so this is thr last thing I'll say about it. You can talk about the reasons why it went down the way it did, but at the end of the day, the way the Chris Paul trade worked out did more good than harm for the teams involved and the league as whole. The competitive balance in the West got better, the Clippers became a legitimate franchise (which is one of the reasons the team is finally going to be taken away from that D-bag Sterling) and the Hornets (Pelican s) wound up with a guy who's probably going to be the best player in the league within 5 years.

Only team that clearly "lost" was the Lakers, yet the next year they put together a team that people were thinking could be one of the best ever. So, I hardly see how its justified for Laker fans to blame David Stern and "basketball reasons" for the current state of the franchise. The Lakers are where they are for a lot of reasons and thr fact they didn't get CP is pretty low on the list, IMO.

Ok, I'm done now.

This just about sums it up.

Also, I've always failed to realize why people think a ball dominant point guard who's not a great catch and shoot guy would have won championships next to an extremely ball dominant shooting guard. Oh yeah, and they would have had zero front court to speak of. And they'd be playing in the stacked West.

 

[Lovetohate3000]

NBA is fixed . ^^But I agree with you.not a good fit.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

NBA is fixed .

Agreed. Just look at the Lakers getting Pau and the 2002 Sacramento/LA series

 

[Lovetohate3000]

Or the 2006 finals. Or the cavs getting 3 out of 4 1st round picks. It is what it is. Lakers have benefited from it. Just calling a spade a spade. I've never really complained about the cp trade because I never liked cp nor wanted him.

 

[offset pow clow]

If the nba was fixed we would've had a kobe vs bron finals in 09

 

[noblekane]

Agreed. Just look at the Lakers getting Pau and the 2002 Sacramento/LA series

Yea because we didnt give up marc gasol in that trade and the kings didnt choke away that series TWICE

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Yea because we didnt give up marc gasol in that trade and the kings didnt choke away that series TWICE

Lol, relax. I was trolling the troller