2013-2014 NBA Thread - IND @ WAS and OKC @ LAC on ESPN

[grandtheftbike]

It wasn't ordered obviously you dolt.

 

[antidope]

 

AI is a top 5 2guard to me though. And while every other position is indeed stronger, there are some tremendous 2 guards that I feel you left out

sure maybe, splitting hairs I'm just saying theres a drop off.


point is 2 gaurd is a position that is overrated because of two recent popular celebrity stars. kobe jordan but when you dig in your in mitch richmod territory sooner that you thought.

Strong cosign, 2 guard is the most shallow position historically and currently. It is Not even close

 

[sea manup]

sg and sf are pretty much the same position though

 

[big j 33]

ACB trolling hard in the Rockets thread. its too bad he can't post in here




Naw

He made a thread after Houston lost... then it got deleted.

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

Funny how out of all the 2 guards listed wade is the only one that can't really shoot. Still one of the best tho

 

[sea manup]

 

 

Everyone just lets a couple games influence your overall opinion of a player, though.


I get that the playoffs are important.. and if you're awesome all season but suck for four straight games and your team gets bounced.. that's something to notice and comment on. But let's not pretend that James Harden isn't a top guard in the league, because he is. He's awful on defense and struggling right now, but still..

hes been bad in three straight playoffs. a bunch of guys in here have said mid season that his game (looking for fouls) will not work in the playoffs

lack of offense, combined with literally 0 effort on defense = not that great of a player

Bad in three straight playoffs? Really?

21 PER in 2012 and 2013. Don't let his struggles against Miami make you forget the rest of the playoffs. 17.6 points on 45% shooting (45% from #), 5 rebounds, 3.3 assists on 31 minutes a game through the Western Conference Finals. That isn't bad. No denying his struggles against Miami were killer.. back to back 2/10 shooting games sucked. They were also a young team and he was 22.. so not the end of the world

2013.. no one was going to pick Houston over OKC. He struggled from the field, still got to the line so he was scoring 26 a game on 19 shots. Plus 6.7 rebounds and 4.5 assists. That isn't bad. Sorry..

He's playing terrible right now, no doubt, but yeah.. three straight years is just misleading.

he was ghost in the finals. last year no one expected him to win but he didnt have a good series either, people started talking about how he's overrated/not as effective in the playoffs. gets the best center in the league this year, lays two eggs at home to start this years playoffs.

the overrated talk is warranted. throwing regular season numbers around isnt going to change anyone's minds, its the playoffs and hes the worst player on the floor 

 

[sea manup]

Funny how out of all the 2 guards listed wade is the only one that can't really shoot. Still one of the best tho

wade's mid range is money

banking shots from anywhere in 06

 

[osh kosh bosh]

sg and sf are pretty much the same position though

now, but in the past it was more defined because it was easier to isolate an individual defender on the block. Thats why NBA sf's in the past were in general better post players.

 

[antidope]

 
sg and sf are pretty much the same position though

I was about to make a post similar but merge PF and C. The majority of the all time great bigs can play both. The way it goes in my mind in terms of depth is

Bigs

PG

SF

SG

 

[shoeking2101]

Funny how out of all the 2 guards listed wade is the only one that can't really shoot. Still one of the best tho

*can't shoot 3's.

 

[franco23x]

 

 

Everyone just lets a couple games influence your overall opinion of a player, though.



I get that the playoffs are important.. and if you're awesome all season but suck for four straight games and your team gets bounced.. that's something to notice and comment on. But let's not pretend that James Harden isn't a top guard in the league, because he is. He's awful on defense and struggling right now, but still..

hes been bad in three straight playoffs. a bunch of guys in here have said mid season that his game (looking for fouls) will not work in the playoffs


lack of offense, combined with literally 0 effort on defense = not that great of a player

Bad in three straight playoffs? Really?


21 PER in 2012 and 2013. Don't let his struggles against Miami make you forget the rest of the playoffs. 17.6 points on 45% shooting (45% from #), 5 rebounds, 3.3 assists on 31 minutes a game through the Western Conference Finals. That isn't bad. No denying his struggles against Miami were killer.. back to back 2/10 shooting games sucked. They were also a young team and he was 22.. so not the end of the world


2013.. no one was going to pick Houston over OKC. He struggled from the field, still got to the line so he was scoring 26 a game on 19 shots. Plus 6.7 rebounds and 4.5 assists. That isn't bad. Sorry..


He's playing terrible right now, no doubt, but yeah.. three straight years is just misleading.

he was ghost in the finals. last year no one expected him to win but he didnt have a good series either, people started talking about how he's overrated/not as effective in the playoffs. gets the best center in the league this year, lays two eggs at home to start this years playoffs.

the overrated talk is warranted. throwing regular season numbers around isnt going to change anyone's minds, its the playoffs and hes the worst player on the floor 

He has gone ghost in the most important games, the finals, after the best C in the league comes to his team and expected to win a chip.

Eye test >

 

[tommyicerocking]

 

[jumpmanfromdabay]

ACB trolling hard in the Rockets thread. its too bad he can't post in here




Naw

He made a thread after Houston lost... then it got deleted.

I saw his trollin in Houston team thread. Funny how a lot of those Annoying Lakers fans are gone after 1 bad season

 

[cole106]

James plays to much foul ball.. He needs to just ball. Earn those foul calls. Not beg the refs everytime

 

[julius wrek]

Julius F. Wrek

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I was about to make a post similar but merge PF and C. The majority of the all time great bigs can play both. The way it goes in my mind in terms of depth is

Bigs
PG
SF
SG

would nhot agree with that.

c's have always been bigger defensive impacts, can't really find many all time c who weren't great defenders but plenty of all PF's who were average or mediocre.

pf and c more defined then sf and sg.

 

[sea manup]

 

sg and sf are pretty much the same position though

now, but in the past it was more defined because it was easier to isolate an individual defender on the block. Thats why NBA sf's in the past were in general better post players.

but when talking about the role of the sg and how it lacks depth, guys like lebron, rudy gay, batum, ect do the exact same things and use the same spots on the floor that the high usage sg's do

so in the modern game the role is split into two positions, while for example everyone that plays the pg role is listed as a pg

one of the reasons the current sg pool is so shallow 

 

[sea manup]

 

 

ACB trolling hard in the Rockets thread. its too bad he can't post in here

Naw

 

He made a thread after Houston lost... then it got deleted.

I saw his trollin in Houston team thread. Funny how a lot of those Annoying Lakers fans are gone after 1 bad season

had me rushing to the thead before he got kicked but i was too late 

what did he say?

 

[nelson999]

 
Julius F. Wrek

 

[osh kosh bosh]

but when talking about the role of the sg and how it lacks depth, guys like lebron, rudy gay, batum, ect do the exact same things and use the same spots on the floor that the high usage sg's do

so in the modern game the role is split into two positions, while for example everyone that plays the pg role is listed as a pg

one of the reasons the current sg pool is so shallow 

yeah sure, but nobody really does that when comparing positions, maybe they should but they don't.

like we all know that Tim Duncan is basically a C, but he's a power forward on all time lists.

 

[sohoguy]

It wasn't ordered obviously you dolt.

Wasn't ordered but you have a huge space between Drexler and the others.... Clown

 

[antidope]

It wasn't ordered obviously you dolt.

Wasn't order but you have a huge space between Drexler..... Clown

There are these things called tiers

 

[sea manup]

 

but when talking about the role of the sg and how it lacks depth, guys like lebron, rudy gay, batum, ect do the exact same things and use the same spots on the floor that the high usage sg's do

so in the modern game the role is split into two positions, while for example everyone that plays the pg role is listed as a pg

one of the reasons the current sg pool is so shallow 

yeah sure, but nobody really does that when comparing positions, maybe they should but they don't.

like we all know that Tim Duncan is basically a C, but he's a power forward on all time lists.

the position is going to be even thinner now that the smaller sized sgs will just try to be pgs (westbrook, rose) while the bigger ones are already sfs

leaving almost all SGs to klay thompson type guys that only move off ball and shoot

 

[do work son]

Right now, they're just hitting more shots than we are. Both games have been close, biggest difference is harden is laying eggs and Aldridge is literally having the best games of his career.

I'm hoping you all finally see the complaints I have with McHale though. Failure to get players the ball in comfortable spots. Too much reliance on freelance offense etc etc

 

[osh kosh bosh]

like really if you were to recreate potions.

its would probably be more role based and their would be more than 5.

rip protector-rebounder
post scorer
primary ball handler
iso scorer.
secondary ball handler
shooter