2013-2014 NBA Thread - IND @ WAS and OKC @ LAC on ESPN

[rck3sactown]

 

I'm stuffing my face in this In N Out still 

Let me guess: 2 double-doubles, Neapolitan Shake and animal style fries?

yessir

2 animal style double double with extra grilled onions and pickles, and spread packets with the animal style fries 

 

[finallyfamous]

Nelson is a Kings fan?

Had no clue.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Hasnt even proved he's an NBA player? LOL.

If he was from Canada you'd be saying "give him time he has the tools."

yeah but i didn't suggest that you could trade him for GREG MONROE.

barnes has tools, maybe he develops, but RIGHT NOW.

HE'S AWFUL.

 

[nelson999]

Whatever you say man, you got it. I doubt I'm the only one who notices your od homer posts but, whatever

 

Man get outta here with that, you stay on that homer ishhh. By what metric is Cousins better than Davis? Not statistically, and not by team success either.

Yes statistically. he plays 4 less Minutes per game and still has better numbers in every category outside of blocks and turnovers. Team success is pretty much a wash, neither team is good. But Cousins dominated Davis when they played head to head and his team blew them out....

I like Cousins but he's overall a less efficient player than Davis, and plays no defense. And his minutes problem is due to him getting in foul trouble, which is his own fault. Playing defense without fouling is a skill

You can call it being a homer if you want, but he has the Highest PER for a healthy player that has EVER been left off the All-Star team. So that's gotta say something. And yea he is no defensive stopper, and Anthony Davis is much better on the defensive end, but saying he plays no defense is a stretch.

and yes the foul trouble is definitely his own fault and its one of the biggest things he needs to work on, but even so, he still has better numbers

 

[worldbeefreeg]

Serge Ibaka

Duncan//Garnett//Rick Smits

 

[dland24]

 

 
@Antidope.....

What is your infatuation with David Lee?  I mean seriously.  Its ridiculous that you claim he is elite.  His contract is one of the worst in the NBA.  If the Warriors are going to take the step from being playoff contenders/2nd round exit ceiling to title contenders, his contract is simply going to have to come off the books. Show me one title contender that has a player on their team that is paid like a superstar but is not one. 

Hes overpaid yes, but people keep talking as if this guy isnt a star player which he is. If you can find a way to get rid of David and get somewhat comparable talent back then sure, by all means, but that trade? It isnt even close. All defensive liabilites aside that man is an elite PF, top ten in my opinion. On the offensive side of the ball he does every single thing you want your power forward to do. Can post, space the floor, AMAZING passer, and he rebounds. Hes easily a top 3 player on his team, can easily be two.

Hes overpaid but one of the worst in basketball? No way, at least his production backs the numbers to some degree even if they are "empty stats"

Kevin Love

LaMarcus Aldridge

Tim Duncan

Dirk Nowitzki

Anthony Davis

Carmelo Anthony

Blake Griffin

Zack Randolph

Serge Ibaka

Paul Milsap

Greg Monroe

Chris Bosh

Thats 12 off the top of my head.  Then you include the tweeners like Carmelo Anthony and LeBron James and we are now at 14. 

Not one of the worst contracts in the NBA?  You realize next  year and the year after, he will be making more than $15M a season?  That is a joke.  Especially given the fact that he loses his PF matchup every single time against someone who makes 75% of his salary or more.

You talk about his production....well what good is his 18 and 10 if the guy he is guarding is responsible for 30 and 15?  And I am so sick of hearing about his rebounding.  It has been well documented that the Warriors grab a higher percentage of rebounds when Lee is on the bench than when he is in the game.  He is a pretty good passer, but there are plenty of PFs in the NBA that average 2 assists a game. 

You can say he is a nice player to have if you completely discount his salary....but simply put, you cannot.  Moving forward he will make more than 25% of the team's salary.  For someone of David Lee's skillset, that is a joke.

 

[do work son]

he has the Highest PER for a healthy player that has EVER been left off the All-Star team

and anthony davis has a higher PER than cousins...so....

 

[black migo]

Harrison barnes is awful now?

 

[johnnyredstorm]

I like Lee but he's not a star. Solid glue guy.

 

[champcruthik]

Harrison barnes is awful now?

I'm not saying he's untouchable but I don't know where OKB's criticism came from.

 

[johnnyredstorm]

Barnes ain't awful. He's having a mediocre year, but he ain't awful. Kid can play. Put him on the Knicks, he'd average 15+.

 

[black migo]

D lee >>>> zbo, ibaka, millsap

 

[champcruthik]

Barnes ain't awful. He's having a mediocre year, but he ain't awful. Kid can play. Put him on the Knicks, he'd average 15+.

Imagine if NYK could somehow obtain Barnes and Bledsoe in a 3-team trade involving Melo.

Bledsoe - Shump/THJ - Barnes

Would still need to get younger, cheaper at PF/C.

 

[finallyfamous]

Why would the Suns want Melo tho?

 

[do work son]

speaking of melo,

just heard on local radio someone suggest

lin + asik for melo

the host says, why would they do that?

then counters, what if it's lin + asik + parsons for melo

 

[johnnyredstorm]

Barnes ain't awful. He's having a mediocre year, but he ain't awful. Kid can play. Put him on the Knicks, he'd average 15+.

Imagine if NYK could somehow obtain Barnes and Bledsoe in a 3-team trade involving Melo.

Bledsoe - Shump/THJ - Barnes

Would still need to get younger, cheaper at PF/C.

That'd be a nice core. Athletic as can be.

Knicks aren't moving Melo for 2 turds and Parsons. I like Parsons though pause.

 

[jumpmanfromdabay]

Question for W fans would you trade Barnes and a combo of picks for The pistons Greg Monroe ?

In a heartbeat

 

[champcruthik]

Why would the Suns want Melo tho?

Don't know their nightly attendance but immediate star power and brand recognition.

Their potential picks in 2014 are heavily protected by Minny and the Wiz. Mek's an expiring. McDonough has to decide between Bledsoe or Dragic.

speaking of melo,

just heard on local radio someone suggest

lin + asik for melo

the host says, why would they do that?

then counters, what if it's lin + asik + parsons for melo

Why would Houston do that, are D12/Beard compatible with Melo?

 

[kal-el-8]

speaking of melo,

just heard on local radio someone suggest

lin + asik for melo

the host says, why would they do that?

then counters, what if it's lin + asik + parsons for melo

harden and melo?

dwight would kill himself

 

[JD617]

Barnes had a decent run in the playoffs last year and that's about it. It's definitely fair to say he's been awful so far. All of this is accurate:

In a moment, Harrison Barnes reminded fans that the hype isn’t wholly empty. On Thursday night against the Clippers, he raced behind a weaving Jordan Crawford, received the pass, then soared past Willie Green for a powerful and-1 dunk. If the crowd's crazed reaction for a merely cool second-quarter jam was a little over the top, it may be attributable to a certain nervous energy regarding the Barnes situation. He’s been adrift on this roster this season, and the murmurs of doubt and disappointment have been growing louder. 

As Anthony Bennett hogs the national “draft bust?” spotlight, it’s easy to forget that there are other young players under local scrutiny. In an ideal world, we wouldn't hold these young men to expectations they didn't set, but that change isn't happening anytime soon.

In Barnes’ case, the expectations don’t stem just from being the No. 7 pick. There’s more to the anxiety of “Is this it?” than his lottery status. First, Barnes didn’t storm the scene just last season as Bennett did en route to becoming the No. 1 overall pick in the 2013 draft. Barnes is coming off his rookie season, but the former No. 1-ranked recruit  has been underwhelming nervous fans for years now. 

Barnes played for a high-profile North Carolina program and was featured before a March Madness TV audience that dwarfs that of Warriors games. His freshman year at Chapel Hill was underwhelming, albeit mildly so. Barnes scored, but didn't do it that efficiently, and did little else. He still probably would have been a top-three pick if he had opted for the draft then, but he elected to stay a year, which worked out badly for his draft stock, if not his “brand.” Sophomore Barnes played like freshman Barnes. His "NBA body" continued to move as though animated by what draftniks might call a "low motor." His handle remained stilted, his shot remained average, and his disappearances from the team’s offensive attack remained frequent. 

As Barnes drifted through his final college season, the Warriors set about a deliberate course. They tanked mightily in pursuit of a top-seven protected pick. The process was excruciating  for just about anyone who followed the team closely out of either obligation or habit. It made a grim mockery of Mark Jackson’s first season as head coach as he strove to prove himself with suited stars and a massive organizational incentive to lose, lose, lose. 

Barnes was the prize, the guy who would vindicate the intentional indignity of 2012. And in the 2013 playoffs, after Warriors fortunes had dramatically reversed for the better, Barnes appeared to do just that. His rookie season was uneven, but Barnes got something of a spotlight during Golden State’s first-round upset of the Denver Nuggets. David Lee went down with a hip injury, and Barnes, who had seen almost no time at power forward to that point, was called upon to be the replacement. 

Barnes thrived with more space on the court, using his long strides to sail toward the rim. Denver frequently left him open beyond the arc, allowing Barnes to shoot 40.6 percent from deep in the series. 

The following Spurs series didn't help Harrison’s efficiency, but it did bolster his national cachet. Tony Parker "hid" on Barnes defensively, which goaded the Warriors into bogging their offense down into repeated post-ups with their rookie. The result was plenty of points for Barnes (an average of 17.3 over the six-game series), but at a below-average 51.4 percent true shooting mark. Since raw point totals still command a lot of respect, many filed Barnes’ series as a breakout performance. 

The Warriors themselves were reputed to be highly optimistic about Barnes during last summer’s training camp, even if they did bring Andre Iguodala in to take his starting spot. Rumors about Barnes' killer training camp  set off yet another drum roll in a career comprised of so many anticipatory drum rolls. 

Barnes began this season with a foot ailment, and he’s been, to put it bluntly, quite bad so far. It's not often that you’ll see a player with a 9.95 PER get so many opportunities. Jackson continues to post Barnes up as though his high-flying wing is Al Jefferson waiting to happen. The results have been miserable, mostly because Barnes claims neither the shooting ability nor passing vision to capitalize on frequent post-ups. It’s not all Jackson’s fault, though. Barnes dribbles with the stultifying caution of someone who fears the ball might set off land mines. He also holds on to it with the slow, deliberate focus of someone consulting a Magic 8 ball. To summarize, he’s a ball-stopper, but without the gaudy individual offense that many ball-stoppers can conjure up in isolation. 

Though blessed with the body of an elite perimeter defender, Barnes has shown none of the instincts this season. While it’s understandable that a younger player might struggle on defense, Barnes’ flaws on that end are highlighted by the dogged defensive efforts of less-touted second-year man Draymond Green. 

Draft disappointments don’t just let fans down on their lonesome, as disappointment needs a comparison to some better, imagined outcome. Sam Bowie wouldn't be “Sam Bowie” without Michael Jordan. Perhaps the most agonizing aspect of draft pick disappointment is the emerging picture of the alternatives. As the draft pick hindsight gets more clear, less blurry, it shows Andre Drummond dunking off a high screen lob from Stephen Curry. It shows John Henson blocking a shot simultaneous with Andrew Bogut. It shows Terrence Ross claiming membership as a Splash Brother with a 51-point opus. It shows Terrence Jones as an even better stretch 4 than Barnes in the Denver series. It shows Jeremy Lamb as what Kent Bazemore was supposed to be defensively. Depending on the day, it might even show the better side of Jared Sullinger, Kendall Marshall and Tony Wroten. 

Barnes still has time and still has plausible excuses (remember the early-season injury?). Mark Jackson repeatedly extols his work ethic. Nobody on the team has criticized Barnes for a lack of desire or effort. If you’re hopeful about Harrison, you’ll have to lean on the subjective because the statistical profile is looking bleak. If you’re looking for optimism, you’ll have to consider what Curry said about Barnes after the victory over the Clippers: “He’s still young. He’s still trying to, you know, find his way. New role this year, obviously, coming off the bench. He’s going to get it. We still have confidence in him, we keep staying in his ear; he has confidence in himself, and obviously he’s shown that he can make a huge impact.”

 

[Hank Scorpio]

speaking of melo,

just heard on local radio someone suggest

lin + asik for melo

the host says, why would they do that?

then counters, what if it's lin + asik + parsons for melo

That's a terrible trade. No one want's Lin's contract. Knicks want to go young and they don't need another Center. The trade benefits only Houston in the deal.

 

[dt43]

[thread="571782"] [/thread]
Whatever you say man, you got it. I doubt I'm the only one who notices your od homer posts but, whatever

 

[thread="571782"] [/thread]
Man get outta here with that, you stay on that homer ishhh. By what metric is Cousins better than Davis? Not statistically, and not by team success either.

Yes statistically. he plays 4 less Minutes per game and still has better numbers in every category outside of blocks and turnovers. Team success is pretty much a wash, neither team is good. But Cousins dominated Davis when they played head to head and his team blew them out....

I like Cousins but he's overall a less efficient player than Davis, and plays no defense. And his minutes problem is due to him getting in foul trouble, which is his own fault. Playing defense without fouling is a skill

You can call it being a homer if you want, but he has the Highest PER for a healthy player that has EVER been left off the All-Star team. So that's gotta say something. And yea he is no defensive stopper, and Anthony Davis is much better on the defensive end, but saying he plays no defense is a stretch.

and yes the foul trouble is definitely his own fault and its one of the biggest things he needs to work on, but even so, he still has better numbers

But Davis has a higher PER than Cousins does. So if Cousins should replace anyone on the All Star team, it definitely isn't AD.

Davis is averaging 20/10 and leading the league in blocks, he's getting it done on both ends. Cousins can't really say the same right now. He definitely did outperform Davis head-to-head, I remember watching some of that game. Andre Drummond got the best of Davis too (he had 20/20 on him I think). One game doesn't mean anything though. All-Star rewards you for your overall season, and imo Davis is having a better season than Cousins when you consider all-around play.

Also, the current Kings roster is better than the current Pelicans roster (because of all their injuries), and they're in the same conference. If Boogie's team at least had a better record than AD's team he would have an argument, but that's not the case

 

[do work son]

i'm not saying i'd do it, partly because parsons might be my favorite player on this team, but i think people are overstating the lack of ball movement with harden. he's not a ballhog, but he does have a tendency to over isolate. but that's mostly because a lack of a functional offense with sets. we resort more to a motion offense that if it breaks down ends in isolation or PnR.

i'd equate it to melo playing on team USA, and just being a catch shooter, and scorer. it would actually take a whole lot of pressure off of dwight and harden

 

[dland24]

D lee >>>> zbo, ibaka, millsap

Everyone of these guys outplays Lee every single time they play.  In fact, so many times they outplay Lee so bad, Lee has to switch off of them to another player......and then THAT guy abuses Lee.

This happens more times than not.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Harrison Barnes has a single digit PER.

The Warriors are 14 points better on offense, when he's off the court.

They are 5 points better on D.

He's horrible right now, teams don't really respect his shooting, he's shooting terribly in every phase of the game besides spot up 3s.

What does Harrison Barnes bring to an NBA team?