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Originally Posted by mgrand15

Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

JMM with the W.



And I agree, Cotto isn't a one punch ko artist, his effectiveness comes from his accumulation of punches ESPECIALLY with his old school body work. He completely abandoned it vs Mosley and continued that same flawed plan vs Tonio.



If he sticks to that same plan the fight will be no different than the 1st. If Cotto, goes back to the old body work, than he can finish this fight in the 8th or 9th round.



I dont know how Tonio reacts with that healed up broken face, could lose alot of his will and willingness to eat shots
Gotta agree with that, Cotto's left hook to the body was nowhere to be found during the Tonio fight. Also good point about his recovery after Manny's fight - I was sure he was gonna retire, I thought dude's vision got messed up. I can't see that messing with Tonio's will or willingness to eat shots - Margarito's a straight goon
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it's what his style's all about.


I think we will see that more now that Cotto is training with Manny Stew. I see Cotto with the win.
 
Originally Posted by mgrand15

Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

JMM with the W.



And I agree, Cotto isn't a one punch ko artist, his effectiveness comes from his accumulation of punches ESPECIALLY with his old school body work. He completely abandoned it vs Mosley and continued that same flawed plan vs Tonio.



If he sticks to that same plan the fight will be no different than the 1st. If Cotto, goes back to the old body work, than he can finish this fight in the 8th or 9th round.



I dont know how Tonio reacts with that healed up broken face, could lose alot of his will and willingness to eat shots
Gotta agree with that, Cotto's left hook to the body was nowhere to be found during the Tonio fight. Also good point about his recovery after Manny's fight - I was sure he was gonna retire, I thought dude's vision got messed up. I can't see that messing with Tonio's will or willingness to eat shots - Margarito's a straight goon
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it's what his style's all about.


I think we will see that more now that Cotto is training with Manny Stew. I see Cotto with the win.
 
Originally Posted by Milkman Dead

Anyone one from NYC going to the Cotto fight?

I was thinking of going but I'm not sure if I $200 100-level seats are worth it...


Thinking about doing the 100 level seats myself, none of my friends ball out like me tho. Lemme know if you wanna roll. NH.
 
Originally Posted by Milkman Dead

Anyone one from NYC going to the Cotto fight?

I was thinking of going but I'm not sure if I $200 100-level seats are worth it...


Thinking about doing the 100 level seats myself, none of my friends ball out like me tho. Lemme know if you wanna roll. NH.
 
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Dudes need to get their stories straight before talking to the media.
 
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Dudes need to get their stories straight before talking to the media.
 
The fights from this weekend:

Spoiler [+]
Sunday at Krasnodar, Russia

Dmitry Pirog TKO10 Gennady Martirosyan
Middleweight
Retains a middleweight title
Records: Pirog (19-0, 15 KOs); Martirosyan (22-3, 11 KOs)
Rafael's remark: Pirog, 31, of Russia, burst on the scene when he scored a resounding fifth-round knockout of top prospect Daniel Jacobs in Las Vegas to win a vacant middleweight belt in July 2010. But then Pirog went relatively inactive, returning eight months later to make his first defense in Russia against obscure Javier Maciel. Pirog's performance was average at best and certainly did not create a lot of demand to see him in with a big name on this side of the world. But perhaps his dominant performance against countryman Martirosyan, 31, the mandatory challenger, will.

Pirog, who is 6-foot-1 to Martirosyan's 5-7, was in charge all the way in this one, grinding Martirosyan down until he retired on his stool after the 10th round. Pirog was active with his punches and delivered a variety of shots for which Martirosyan had little answer. His right eye was swollen by the middle rounds and Pirog just continued to do as he pleased. He landed a ton of leather in the 10th round and Martirosyan, as he had done throughout the fight, sopped it up. He probably could have made it through two more rounds, but Martirosyan's corner did the right thing and pulled him out of the fight after the 10th round. Pirog turned in a good all-around performance against an opponent with an excellent chin. The question now is will promoter Artie Pelullo bring Pirog stateside again or will they stay in Russia fighting obscure opponents? Hopefully, he will come back to America.

Also on the card, junior welterweight Khabib Allakhverdiev (15-0, 6 KOs) won a six-round technical decision against former unified lightweight titlist Nate Campbell (34-9-1, 25 KOs), 39, of Jacksonville, Fla. Allakhverdiev won 60-56, 60-55 and 60-55 against Campbell, who has lost four of his last five fights, including two of his last three since ending a short-lived retirement.


Saturday at Mexicali, Mexico

Jorge Arce TKO4 Simphiwe Nongqayi
Junior featherweight
Retains a junior featherweight title
Records: Arce (58-6-2, 45 KOs); Nongqayi (16-2-1, 6 KOs)
Rafael's remark: In September 2009, Arce, considered a faded fighter by many at that time, lost a clear decision to Nongqayi, 38, of South Africa, for a vacant junior bantamweight title. Arce, 32, of Mexico, considered retirement, but decided to continue fighting. He has not lost since, going 6-0-1, including this tremendous performance in the first defense of his 122-pound title to gain revenge for that loss in Mexico two years ago.

In May, Arce pulled a major upset by stopping Wilfredo Vazquez Jr. in the 12th round to claim the title on the Manny Pacquiao-Shane Mosley undercard. A rematch has been discussed, but first Arce took this fight at home and dominated with an exciting performance against Nongqayi, who was fighting for the first time since losing his title via sixth-round knockout of Juan Alberto Rosas in July 2010 (and moving up two weight classes). Arce's strength showed from the outset. Late in the first round, a left hand to the head knocked Nongqayi -- who also had defeated Francisco Arce, Jorge's younger brother, in a 2009 junior bantamweight title eliminator -- into the ropes for a knockdown.

Nongqayi never really got into the fight, although he did cut Arce near his right eye with a head butt in the third round. In the fourth round, Nongqayi had a point deducted by referee Rafael Ramos for opening another cut on Arce's forehead with a head but. Incensed by the butt and not wanting the fight to be stopped and ruled a no contest because they had not completed four rounds, Arce cranked up the pace. He was all over Nongqayi, teeing off on him until Ramos stepped in to stop it at 2 minutes, 1 second. It was another exciting fight from Arce, who has made so many of them during his long career. And now the three-division titlist could be headed for a rematch with Vazquez or a possible move up in weight to challenge featherweight titlist Jhonny Gonzalez in an all-Mexico affair. Whomever Arce fights, you know one thing is for sure: It'll be fun while it lasts.


Saturday at Hamburg, Germany

Alexander Dimitrenko W12 Michael Sprott
Heavyweight
Retains European heavyweight title
Scores: 119-108, 117-111, 116-111
Records: Dimitrenko (32-1, 21 KOs); Sprott (36-17, 8 KOs)
Rafael's remark: The 6-foot-7, 250-pound Dimitrenko, 29, of Ukraine but based in Germany, made the second defense of the European title in a rout over British journeyman Sprott, 36, who lost his second fight in a row. Dimitrenko worked his jab over and over to neutralize Sprott, who resorted to some dirty tactics. He threw low blows in the 10th round and then was docked a point by referee Massimo Barrovecchio later in the 10th round for a hitting after the bell. A desperate Sprott lost another point in the 12th round for throwing Dimitrenko to the canvas. Dimitrenko, whose name comes up as a possible opponent for world champions Wladimir or Vitali Klitschko, won his third fight in a row since losing a decision to American Eddie Chambers in a world title elimination bout in July 2009.

There were three notable undercard fights, including heavyweight contender Denis Boytsov (29-0, 24 KOs), 25, a native of Russia based in Germany, fighting for the first time in 10 months because of persistent hand injuries. He knocked out St. Louis' Matt Greer, 34, in the sixth round. Boytsov scored a knockdown in the fifth round and referee Michael Maass stopped the destruction at 1 minute, 25 seconds of the sixth round. Also, southpaw cruiserweight Rakhim Chakhkiev (11-0, 9 KOs), 28, a 2008 Russian Olympic gold medalist, dropped Michael Simms (21-15-2, 13 KOs), 37, of Sacramento, Calif., in the second and fourth rounds on his way to a fourth-round knockout. Simms dropped to 2-11-1 in his last 14 fights.

And former cruiserweight contender Darnell "Ding-A-Ling-Man" Wilson (24-12-3, 20 KOs), 37, of Takoma Park, Md., ended a six-fight losing streak by scoring a major upset of former cruiserweight titlist and heavyweight title challenger Juan Carlos Gomez (49-3, 37 KOs), 38. Wilson won a 10-round majority decision in their heavyweight bout on scores of 96-94, 96-94 and 95-95.


Saturday at Mexico City

Adrian Hernandez TKO2 Gideon Buthelezi
Junior flyweight
Retains a junior flyweight title
Records: Hernandez (22-1-1, 14 KOs); Buthelezi (12-3, 4 KOs)
Rafael's remark: Hernandez, 25, claimed a 108-pound title on April 30 by stopping Mexican countryman Gilberto Keb Baas in the 11th round. For his first defense, Hernandez's handlers lined up a gimme against Buthelezi, 25, of South Africa, who had never faced anyone of even remote note. He traveled a long way to get hammered. Hernandez went to work inflicting damage in the second round, dropping his overmatched opponent three times before referee Kenny Bayless called it off at 2 minutes, 20 seconds.


Friday at Buenos Aires, Argentina

Marcos Maidana TKO4 Petr Petrov
Junior welterweight
Retains a junior welterweight title
Records: Maidana (31-2, 28 KOs); Petrov (29-3-2, 13 KOs)
Rafael's remark: Maidana, 28, of Argentina, was supposed to defend his 140-pound belt (one of those cheap WBA regular jobbies that was handed to him even though Amir Khan, who beat Maidana in December, owns the legit title) on Aug. 27 against Robert Guerrero in an HBO main event. However, Guerrero suffered a severe shoulder injury and the card was cancelled. Rather than waste more than two months of training, Maidana was lined up for this hometown defense against Petrov, a 28-year-old Russian who has fought most of his career in Spain. He had been fighting mostly six- and eight-round bouts and went into the ring against Maidana quite untested at the world class level. Maidana, one of boxing's most consistently exciting fighters and biggest punchers, dominated. He was clearly stronger and used his power to bat Petrov around.

Maidana was credited with a knockdown moments before the end of the first round when Petrov touch his glove to the canvas. He scored a second knockdown early in the fourth round when he connected with a flush right hand that dropped Petrov to his knees. With about 30 seconds left in the fourth round, Maidana dropped him again with a right hand and a left hook to the body. Again, Petrov, whose left eye was swelling, dropped to his knees. Although Petrov beat the count, referee Uriel Aguilera did not like how he looked and stopped the mismatch, Petrov saw his 13 fight winning streak come to an end while Maidana, who rebounded from his loss to Khan to outpoint Erik Morales in April in a sensational fight, won his second bout in a row.

Maidana would like to fight again before the end of the year and would love a rematch with Khan (which won't happen because Khan is scheduled against Lamont Peterson on Dec. 10) or Morales. How about a rematch with Victor Ortiz, whom Maidana made quit in the sixth round of a terrific fight in 2009?


Friday at Indio, Calif.

Vicente Escobedo W10 Rocky Juarez
Junior lightweight
Scores: 98-91, 97-92, 96-93
Records: Escobedo (24-3-1, 14 KOs); Juarez (28-9-1, 20 KOs)
Rafael's remark: In the main event of Telefutura's "Solo Boxeo Tecate," Golden Boy matched two U.S. Olympians in a crossroads fight. Escobedo, 29, of Woodland, Calif., was on the 2004 U.S. team and has been a bit of a disappointment in the pros, although he won his second in a row and is now 3-2 in his last five fights. Juarez, 31, of Houston was a 2000 silver medalist but never won the title so many expected he would -- despite numerous opportunities (he is 0-5-1 in world title bouts at featherweight and junior lightweight). Now, he looks just about done after losing his fifth fight in a row. Escobedo was the clear winner, although the scores could have been a tad closer. Regardless, Escobedo deserved the nod. He dropped Juarez (with a left jab, no less) in the third round, although he ran into some difficulties in the sixth round when Juarez staggered him with a left hook against the ropes. However, the shot came just as the bell ended the round and Juarez was unable to follow up. By the seventh round, Escobedo had gotten himself back together. Other than that rough moment, Escobedo was generally was in control, busier and was able to outbox Juarez. After the fight, Eloy Perez, another Golden Boy junior lightweight from California, was in the ring during the interviews and challenged Escobedo. That would be a good test for Perez and a good opportunity for Escobedo.


Wednesday at Manchester, N.H.

Demetrius Andrade KO3 Saul Duran
Junior middleweight
Records: Andrade (15-0, 10 KOs); Duran (38-19-2, 31 KOs)
Rafael's remark: Andrade, 23, of Providence, R.I., was a 2008 U.S. Olympian and world amateur champion who turned professional with tremendous expectations and potential. He has been brought along slowly, but surely and on Aug. 19, he took a step up in competition to face veteran Grady Brewer, a very experienced opponent and former winner of "The Contender." Andrade's handlers were worried, but he aced the test, pitching a near shutout to close the season of "Friday Night Fights." In his first fight since, Andrade returned on a small charity show -- the 10th annual "Fight to Educate" card. Andrade, however, was not charitable to Duran, 38, of Mexico, who dropped to 3-7 in his last 10 fights. Duran, a former two-time title challenger, was fighting way over his career-best weight, which came years ago at junior lightweight and lightweight. Andrade outclassed him, dropping Duran near the end of the second round and again near the end of the third round before he did not answer the bell for the fourth round.

Apparently DLH/Ortiz had a conference call today about the fight that completely embarrassing themselves. $$@@ is getting pathetic from them.
 
The fights from this weekend:

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Sunday at Krasnodar, Russia

Dmitry Pirog TKO10 Gennady Martirosyan
Middleweight
Retains a middleweight title
Records: Pirog (19-0, 15 KOs); Martirosyan (22-3, 11 KOs)
Rafael's remark: Pirog, 31, of Russia, burst on the scene when he scored a resounding fifth-round knockout of top prospect Daniel Jacobs in Las Vegas to win a vacant middleweight belt in July 2010. But then Pirog went relatively inactive, returning eight months later to make his first defense in Russia against obscure Javier Maciel. Pirog's performance was average at best and certainly did not create a lot of demand to see him in with a big name on this side of the world. But perhaps his dominant performance against countryman Martirosyan, 31, the mandatory challenger, will.

Pirog, who is 6-foot-1 to Martirosyan's 5-7, was in charge all the way in this one, grinding Martirosyan down until he retired on his stool after the 10th round. Pirog was active with his punches and delivered a variety of shots for which Martirosyan had little answer. His right eye was swollen by the middle rounds and Pirog just continued to do as he pleased. He landed a ton of leather in the 10th round and Martirosyan, as he had done throughout the fight, sopped it up. He probably could have made it through two more rounds, but Martirosyan's corner did the right thing and pulled him out of the fight after the 10th round. Pirog turned in a good all-around performance against an opponent with an excellent chin. The question now is will promoter Artie Pelullo bring Pirog stateside again or will they stay in Russia fighting obscure opponents? Hopefully, he will come back to America.

Also on the card, junior welterweight Khabib Allakhverdiev (15-0, 6 KOs) won a six-round technical decision against former unified lightweight titlist Nate Campbell (34-9-1, 25 KOs), 39, of Jacksonville, Fla. Allakhverdiev won 60-56, 60-55 and 60-55 against Campbell, who has lost four of his last five fights, including two of his last three since ending a short-lived retirement.


Saturday at Mexicali, Mexico

Jorge Arce TKO4 Simphiwe Nongqayi
Junior featherweight
Retains a junior featherweight title
Records: Arce (58-6-2, 45 KOs); Nongqayi (16-2-1, 6 KOs)
Rafael's remark: In September 2009, Arce, considered a faded fighter by many at that time, lost a clear decision to Nongqayi, 38, of South Africa, for a vacant junior bantamweight title. Arce, 32, of Mexico, considered retirement, but decided to continue fighting. He has not lost since, going 6-0-1, including this tremendous performance in the first defense of his 122-pound title to gain revenge for that loss in Mexico two years ago.

In May, Arce pulled a major upset by stopping Wilfredo Vazquez Jr. in the 12th round to claim the title on the Manny Pacquiao-Shane Mosley undercard. A rematch has been discussed, but first Arce took this fight at home and dominated with an exciting performance against Nongqayi, who was fighting for the first time since losing his title via sixth-round knockout of Juan Alberto Rosas in July 2010 (and moving up two weight classes). Arce's strength showed from the outset. Late in the first round, a left hand to the head knocked Nongqayi -- who also had defeated Francisco Arce, Jorge's younger brother, in a 2009 junior bantamweight title eliminator -- into the ropes for a knockdown.

Nongqayi never really got into the fight, although he did cut Arce near his right eye with a head butt in the third round. In the fourth round, Nongqayi had a point deducted by referee Rafael Ramos for opening another cut on Arce's forehead with a head but. Incensed by the butt and not wanting the fight to be stopped and ruled a no contest because they had not completed four rounds, Arce cranked up the pace. He was all over Nongqayi, teeing off on him until Ramos stepped in to stop it at 2 minutes, 1 second. It was another exciting fight from Arce, who has made so many of them during his long career. And now the three-division titlist could be headed for a rematch with Vazquez or a possible move up in weight to challenge featherweight titlist Jhonny Gonzalez in an all-Mexico affair. Whomever Arce fights, you know one thing is for sure: It'll be fun while it lasts.


Saturday at Hamburg, Germany

Alexander Dimitrenko W12 Michael Sprott
Heavyweight
Retains European heavyweight title
Scores: 119-108, 117-111, 116-111
Records: Dimitrenko (32-1, 21 KOs); Sprott (36-17, 8 KOs)
Rafael's remark: The 6-foot-7, 250-pound Dimitrenko, 29, of Ukraine but based in Germany, made the second defense of the European title in a rout over British journeyman Sprott, 36, who lost his second fight in a row. Dimitrenko worked his jab over and over to neutralize Sprott, who resorted to some dirty tactics. He threw low blows in the 10th round and then was docked a point by referee Massimo Barrovecchio later in the 10th round for a hitting after the bell. A desperate Sprott lost another point in the 12th round for throwing Dimitrenko to the canvas. Dimitrenko, whose name comes up as a possible opponent for world champions Wladimir or Vitali Klitschko, won his third fight in a row since losing a decision to American Eddie Chambers in a world title elimination bout in July 2009.

There were three notable undercard fights, including heavyweight contender Denis Boytsov (29-0, 24 KOs), 25, a native of Russia based in Germany, fighting for the first time in 10 months because of persistent hand injuries. He knocked out St. Louis' Matt Greer, 34, in the sixth round. Boytsov scored a knockdown in the fifth round and referee Michael Maass stopped the destruction at 1 minute, 25 seconds of the sixth round. Also, southpaw cruiserweight Rakhim Chakhkiev (11-0, 9 KOs), 28, a 2008 Russian Olympic gold medalist, dropped Michael Simms (21-15-2, 13 KOs), 37, of Sacramento, Calif., in the second and fourth rounds on his way to a fourth-round knockout. Simms dropped to 2-11-1 in his last 14 fights.

And former cruiserweight contender Darnell "Ding-A-Ling-Man" Wilson (24-12-3, 20 KOs), 37, of Takoma Park, Md., ended a six-fight losing streak by scoring a major upset of former cruiserweight titlist and heavyweight title challenger Juan Carlos Gomez (49-3, 37 KOs), 38. Wilson won a 10-round majority decision in their heavyweight bout on scores of 96-94, 96-94 and 95-95.


Saturday at Mexico City

Adrian Hernandez TKO2 Gideon Buthelezi
Junior flyweight
Retains a junior flyweight title
Records: Hernandez (22-1-1, 14 KOs); Buthelezi (12-3, 4 KOs)
Rafael's remark: Hernandez, 25, claimed a 108-pound title on April 30 by stopping Mexican countryman Gilberto Keb Baas in the 11th round. For his first defense, Hernandez's handlers lined up a gimme against Buthelezi, 25, of South Africa, who had never faced anyone of even remote note. He traveled a long way to get hammered. Hernandez went to work inflicting damage in the second round, dropping his overmatched opponent three times before referee Kenny Bayless called it off at 2 minutes, 20 seconds.


Friday at Buenos Aires, Argentina

Marcos Maidana TKO4 Petr Petrov
Junior welterweight
Retains a junior welterweight title
Records: Maidana (31-2, 28 KOs); Petrov (29-3-2, 13 KOs)
Rafael's remark: Maidana, 28, of Argentina, was supposed to defend his 140-pound belt (one of those cheap WBA regular jobbies that was handed to him even though Amir Khan, who beat Maidana in December, owns the legit title) on Aug. 27 against Robert Guerrero in an HBO main event. However, Guerrero suffered a severe shoulder injury and the card was cancelled. Rather than waste more than two months of training, Maidana was lined up for this hometown defense against Petrov, a 28-year-old Russian who has fought most of his career in Spain. He had been fighting mostly six- and eight-round bouts and went into the ring against Maidana quite untested at the world class level. Maidana, one of boxing's most consistently exciting fighters and biggest punchers, dominated. He was clearly stronger and used his power to bat Petrov around.

Maidana was credited with a knockdown moments before the end of the first round when Petrov touch his glove to the canvas. He scored a second knockdown early in the fourth round when he connected with a flush right hand that dropped Petrov to his knees. With about 30 seconds left in the fourth round, Maidana dropped him again with a right hand and a left hook to the body. Again, Petrov, whose left eye was swelling, dropped to his knees. Although Petrov beat the count, referee Uriel Aguilera did not like how he looked and stopped the mismatch, Petrov saw his 13 fight winning streak come to an end while Maidana, who rebounded from his loss to Khan to outpoint Erik Morales in April in a sensational fight, won his second bout in a row.

Maidana would like to fight again before the end of the year and would love a rematch with Khan (which won't happen because Khan is scheduled against Lamont Peterson on Dec. 10) or Morales. How about a rematch with Victor Ortiz, whom Maidana made quit in the sixth round of a terrific fight in 2009?


Friday at Indio, Calif.

Vicente Escobedo W10 Rocky Juarez
Junior lightweight
Scores: 98-91, 97-92, 96-93
Records: Escobedo (24-3-1, 14 KOs); Juarez (28-9-1, 20 KOs)
Rafael's remark: In the main event of Telefutura's "Solo Boxeo Tecate," Golden Boy matched two U.S. Olympians in a crossroads fight. Escobedo, 29, of Woodland, Calif., was on the 2004 U.S. team and has been a bit of a disappointment in the pros, although he won his second in a row and is now 3-2 in his last five fights. Juarez, 31, of Houston was a 2000 silver medalist but never won the title so many expected he would -- despite numerous opportunities (he is 0-5-1 in world title bouts at featherweight and junior lightweight). Now, he looks just about done after losing his fifth fight in a row. Escobedo was the clear winner, although the scores could have been a tad closer. Regardless, Escobedo deserved the nod. He dropped Juarez (with a left jab, no less) in the third round, although he ran into some difficulties in the sixth round when Juarez staggered him with a left hook against the ropes. However, the shot came just as the bell ended the round and Juarez was unable to follow up. By the seventh round, Escobedo had gotten himself back together. Other than that rough moment, Escobedo was generally was in control, busier and was able to outbox Juarez. After the fight, Eloy Perez, another Golden Boy junior lightweight from California, was in the ring during the interviews and challenged Escobedo. That would be a good test for Perez and a good opportunity for Escobedo.


Wednesday at Manchester, N.H.

Demetrius Andrade KO3 Saul Duran
Junior middleweight
Records: Andrade (15-0, 10 KOs); Duran (38-19-2, 31 KOs)
Rafael's remark: Andrade, 23, of Providence, R.I., was a 2008 U.S. Olympian and world amateur champion who turned professional with tremendous expectations and potential. He has been brought along slowly, but surely and on Aug. 19, he took a step up in competition to face veteran Grady Brewer, a very experienced opponent and former winner of "The Contender." Andrade's handlers were worried, but he aced the test, pitching a near shutout to close the season of "Friday Night Fights." In his first fight since, Andrade returned on a small charity show -- the 10th annual "Fight to Educate" card. Andrade, however, was not charitable to Duran, 38, of Mexico, who dropped to 3-7 in his last 10 fights. Duran, a former two-time title challenger, was fighting way over his career-best weight, which came years ago at junior lightweight and lightweight. Andrade outclassed him, dropping Duran near the end of the second round and again near the end of the third round before he did not answer the bell for the fourth round.

Apparently DLH/Ortiz had a conference call today about the fight that completely embarrassing themselves. $$@@ is getting pathetic from them.
 
That conference call was embarrassing. Calling for a rematch or wanting Pac.
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He should give Berto a rematch.

De La Hoya talking about if Floyd has honor he would give Victor a rematch.

Dudes on the boxing scene are ruthless with such gems as:
If Oscar had any honor, he would never wear fishnets, do dope and cheat on his wife.
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That conference call was embarrassing. Calling for a rematch or wanting Pac.
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He should give Berto a rematch.

De La Hoya talking about if Floyd has honor he would give Victor a rematch.

Dudes on the boxing scene are ruthless with such gems as:
If Oscar had any honor, he would never wear fishnets, do dope and cheat on his wife.
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Ortiz and his manager said they want nothing to do with a Berto rematch. Where else do they go? Wait for Khan/Maidana to move up? Take a shot at one of the young, undefeated kids?
 
Ortiz and his manager said they want nothing to do with a Berto rematch. Where else do they go? Wait for Khan/Maidana to move up? Take a shot at one of the young, undefeated kids?
 
Originally Posted by Proshares

Ortiz and his manager said they want nothing to do with a Berto rematch. Where else do they go? Wait for Khan/Maidana to move up? Take a shot at one of the young, undefeated kids?
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Berto deserves a rematch more than Victor does.  I lost all respect for Oscar after the Mares fight.

danrafaelespn Dan Rafael
I'd rather watch the Holyfield-Sherman Williams PPV again than listen to more of this pathetic call with Victor and Oscar. #forreal

danrafaelespn Dan Rafael
Now Ortiz' manager cursing about the Nevada commission and Keith Kizer. This is sad to hear. #boxing

danrafaelespn Dan Rafael
This is like listening to one of those "talk shows" on WWE.

danrafaelespn Dan Rafael
Now Oscar berating Cortez. "He was not fair."

ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
Ortiz is essentially saying that Joe Cortez is a friend of Mayweather. We have officially left orbit.

danrafaelespn Dan Rafael
Now Ortiz is accusing Mayweather and Cortez of being friends. Reality has apparently been suspended.

danrafaelespn Dan Rafael
Ortiz & Co. can complain all they want about Floyd's elbows but what about Ortiz's head butts and rabbit punches?

kieranmulvaney Kieran Mulvaney
Next time Cortez refs a big fight, Victor Ortiz is going to sneak into the ring and hit him from behind with a folding steel chair.

danrafaelespn Dan Rafael
Not sure who is responsible, but whoever had the idea for this horrific call made one of the worst PR decisions in the history of the world.

ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
Ortiz: "I was dictating the fight."

ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
This conference call was one of the worst ideas in the history of ideas

kieranmulvaney Kieran Mulvaney
Victor: "I was not behind. I was dictating and laying the pace of the fight." Oh dear.


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Originally Posted by Proshares

Ortiz and his manager said they want nothing to do with a Berto rematch. Where else do they go? Wait for Khan/Maidana to move up? Take a shot at one of the young, undefeated kids?
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Berto deserves a rematch more than Victor does.  I lost all respect for Oscar after the Mares fight.

danrafaelespn Dan Rafael
I'd rather watch the Holyfield-Sherman Williams PPV again than listen to more of this pathetic call with Victor and Oscar. #forreal

danrafaelespn Dan Rafael
Now Ortiz' manager cursing about the Nevada commission and Keith Kizer. This is sad to hear. #boxing

danrafaelespn Dan Rafael
This is like listening to one of those "talk shows" on WWE.

danrafaelespn Dan Rafael
Now Oscar berating Cortez. "He was not fair."

ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
Ortiz is essentially saying that Joe Cortez is a friend of Mayweather. We have officially left orbit.

danrafaelespn Dan Rafael
Now Ortiz is accusing Mayweather and Cortez of being friends. Reality has apparently been suspended.

danrafaelespn Dan Rafael
Ortiz & Co. can complain all they want about Floyd's elbows but what about Ortiz's head butts and rabbit punches?

kieranmulvaney Kieran Mulvaney
Next time Cortez refs a big fight, Victor Ortiz is going to sneak into the ring and hit him from behind with a folding steel chair.

danrafaelespn Dan Rafael
Not sure who is responsible, but whoever had the idea for this horrific call made one of the worst PR decisions in the history of the world.

ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
Ortiz: "I was dictating the fight."

ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
This conference call was one of the worst ideas in the history of ideas

kieranmulvaney Kieran Mulvaney
Victor: "I was not behind. I was dictating and laying the pace of the fight." Oh dear.


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ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix

Oscar De La Hoya says not even Mayorga or Fernando Vargas would have hit Ortiz with that kind of cheap shot.


ya because they would of been to busy throwing low blows





ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix

Ortiz: "I was dictating the fight."

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ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix

Oscar De La Hoya says not even Mayorga or Fernando Vargas would have hit Ortiz with that kind of cheap shot.


ya because they would of been to busy throwing low blows





ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix

Ortiz: "I was dictating the fight."

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