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[ninjallamafromhell]

Originally Posted by Method Man

So tell me, since the argument isn't the problem, how exactly would you have made those same points?

Method Man wrote:

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dont do it...women will think ur a wimp
Do you work for a meatpacking plant or something? I've seen you make silly comments like this in a number of similar threads.

Look, if your life's worth hinges on what the Jessica Simpsons of the world think of you, that's your problem. Most women, however, would prefer ahealthy partner to an unhealthy one, a caring partner to an unfeeling one. Who wouldn't prefer, all things being equal, a partner with a lower risk ofcancer, heart disease, or stroke?

Veganism says something positive about you. It represents a deep commitment to one's health and/or ideals. It requires a good deal of self-discipline andis often motivated by empathy and compassion. For many, it's also something arrived at through independence, introspection, and critical thought. Youhave to be strong and self-assured enough to go against convention, to be different and reassess thing most people never question.

Ultimately, though, don't you want someone who loves you for YOU? If someone doesn't appreciate what you're about - so what? Move on and findsomeone more compatible. Should it really bother you if, in the worst case scenario, the "average" person will consider you less attractive? Howmany people are looking for someone average as opposed to someone unique? If anything, this can help you filter out people so immature and superficial as todismiss a health and/or ethical commitment as a sign of weakness. If that's who you're after - keep 'em.

More likely, making that change in lifestyle will help you find someone else who shares your ideals and respect for life.

Im sure you have a lot of insecurities.

dont we all?
Some of us more than others.

ayo

where do vegetarians get their protein from?
Protein isn't an issue. People buy into the protein deficiency myth because it's easier to dismiss veg*anism offhand than to seriously challenge their longstanding behavioralpatterns and assumptions. A lot of it just extends from a lack of understanding. There are plenty of great, healthy protein sources perfect for awell-planned vegan diet, including seitan, lentils, tofu, tempeh, quinoa, chick peas, nuts, beans, and spinach: http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/protein.htm For athletes, vegan hemp seed and pea protein supplements can helpsupply you with a quick post-workout protein source. It's just different, not difficult.

If you are against animal cruelty then go hunting and kill your own meat.
I've gotta say that doesn't make much sense, but if everyone who wished to eat meat had to kill in order to do so rather than simply turna blind eye to cruelty and pretend cooked meat was something other than bloody flesh I'm sure we'd have a lot more veg*ans in this world.

Telling ya'll Pesco-lacto-ovo Vegetarian is the easiest form of being vegetarian.

I run and lift more than anybody I know and I'm NEVER tired or weak. On the contrary, I'm a beast when it comes to working out.
Any reduction in animal consumption is welcome, but I've always found that concept a bit odd. I'm waiting to meet someone who callsthemselves a bovo-pesco-gallus-vegetarian, which would assume the title of "easiest form of vegetarian" - at least until someone invents a form thatallows for the consumption of lamb, too.

Trust that you can engage in intense training and athletics and experience performance gains while on a well-planned vegan diet.

The main reason that I tried vegan was because of animal cruelty, but that can be avoided easily. I've recently switched to 'real' milk, non-homogenized, organic, grass-fed, lightly pasteurized, local milk, and it's much different than traditional milk. Sure, it's expensive, but it insures I'm getting the highest quality product. Goat milk is a great alternative. I used to disagree with dairy, but now I feel like I was somewhat brainwashed by veganism. Only make your own decisions, don't just listen to what other people think is true.
That's become a popular view on dairy: "mend it; don't end it." Really, It's intended to address human health issuesassociated with factory farming, genetic modification, and hormone/antibiotics use more so than the associated ethical issues.

Even so, you still have a very fundamental problem with milk: it's for baby cows. Humans, with few exceptions, are not small cows. A baby cow weighs about80 pounds. After six months, calves stop drinking milk and weigh about 500 pounds. Human mothers have long been discouraged from giving cows' milk to theirinfant children, as the proteins in cows' milk can be very difficult to digest - to the point where it can even cause intestinal bleeding. Cows' milkoften causes constipation in children as well. It's estimated that 65% of the world's human population does not drink cows' milk and much of theworld's population is lactose intolerant. Those who do drink cows' milk represent the only creatures that 1) drink milk beyond infancy and 2) drinkmilk from another species. Medical authorities including Dr. Benjamin Spock, Dr. Charles Attwood, and Dr. Neal Barnard have publicly advised against theconsumption of dairy products. Speaking of saturated fat, cows' milk contains over nine times the quantity of saturated fat included in soy milk, while soymilk offers more than 10 times more essential fatty acids. Soy milk also lowers, rather than raises, LDL cholestorol levels and are, of course, cholestorolfree. As for the purported benefits of milk: broccoli and collard greens contain far more calcium. While the dairy industry constantly promotes the claim thatmilk strengthens bones, but this statement does not appear on milk containers due regulations enforced by the FTC and FDA. have you ever noticed that this statement NEVER appears on actual milk containers? That's because the ads are regulated by the FTCwhile the cartons are regulated by the FDA - and the FDA actually requires that product claims be factually supported.

Walter Willett, Chairman of the Nutrition Department at the Harvard School of Public Health, co-authored a study of more than 75,000 American nurses, whichfound that women who consumed the most calcium from dairy products suffered from substantially more fractures than women who consumed less milk. Thiscorrelation is consistent with broader trends, as the countries with the highest rates of osteoporosis (The US, Finland, Sweden, and England) are also thecountries with the highest consumption of dairy products. Fracture rates are dramatically lower in parts of the world where dairy products generally aren'tconsumed, like rural China, where the fracture rate is just 1/5th that of the US. So much for the "milk does a body good" campaign. On the ethicalfront, even though hormones aren't used in the production of organic milk, in order to stimulate milk production dairy cows are forcibly impregnated. Thecalves are taken from their mothers within hours, which causes the mother cows to frantically search for them, bellowing in agony. Male calves are sold forveal. In several documented cases, their mothers have managed to escape and travel miles away overnight to locate their babies. Many ovo-lacto vegetariansdon't know that, by supporting dairy products, they also support meat products. Not only are dairy cows' male calves fated for slaughter, but so arethe dairy cows themselves. Dairy cows, weakened and exhausted from milk production, are killed and ground into hamburger years before they would reach the lifeexpectancy of a free cow.

We're all responsible for our own choices; I'm just explaining mine and it's hardly something I arrived at via "brainwashing."

Well I try to be humble about it but when I tell people I'm vegetarian they assume we're all weak or something.
Honestly, I feel that maintaining a healthy body is a component of activism. For everyone who buys into the myth that veganism is unhealthy, wecan be living proof of the contrary. It's an easy way to silence the doubters when you can outperform them, add lean mass, and maintain remarkably lowbody fat. When you add in the long term benefits and reduced risk of cancer and heart disease, the question "do you miss meat and dairy" answersitself. Ask any athlete not named Derrick Coleman: success tastes sweeter than steak.

Going from eating fast food on the regular to vegan is very extreme and you won't/can't stick to it.
It's difficult - but not impossible. I did it while in grad school and my schedule had me making the occasional stop at popeyes at the time. I did the research and when I felt comfortable from a health standpoint I made the transition from eating animal products at virtually every meal toeliminating them from every meal in less than 3 weeks. My case is atypical and people should go at a pace that promotes safe, healthy, and lasting change -but it's definitely not impossible to go "cold turkey" around Thanksgiving for the right individual.

I'm considering being a vegetarian, I'll start off by just eating more veggies...I definitely need some recipes though..
There are TONS of cookbooks out there - Barnes and Noble has a whole section for them now. You can also find plenty for free online. Here aresome starter meal plans to check out:

http://living-vegan.blogspot.com/2007/02/vegan-sample-meal-plans.htmlhttp://living-vegan.blogs...n-sample-meal-plans.html

What do vegetarians want to say to the article that came out in Men's Health 2 issues ago about Soy. And how it's supposed to be very bad for the male body. I'm very curious, because they pointed out that soy is supposed to be very damaging to a male's body, even is mediocre doses.
We've already discussed those clains in some recent threads:
http://niketalk.yuku.com/reply/6533922/t/Food-Inc-the-most-important-movie-of-the-year-.html#reply-6533922
http://niketalk.yuku.com/reply/5254144#reply-5254144

It's always the testosterone-addled bodybuilding sources...

I have been a vegetarian since August 4th of this year (for nutrition and trying my best to reduce animal cruelty), and I haven't looked back. Shoutouts to Meth...if anything message him...the guy is really knowledgeable about this process and lifestyle...he helped me during the beggining.
I appreciate the shout and I'm pleased to hear you've been able to make such progress in reducing your consumption of animal products. I'm glad you considered my input helpful - I think it's vitally important for us to pass this on, just as with any other form of social justiceactivism. We have to be the change.

How hard was it go from a meat eating diet to none at all? Was it hard staying a vegetarian, or did you have periods where you went back to eating meat? I'd just like some information from Vegetarians themselves, so I'd appreciate any information.
I made the change in 3 weeks and never looked back. I felt like my energy levels were more consistent, it's very easy to maintain once youform new habits, and it's so rewarding physically and mentally that I have absolutely no desire to go back. I don't even dream about eating chicken;it's not even a suppressed desire. It's not an easy change to make, but if you're devoted you'll persevere and I consider it one of the bestdecisions I've made. I feel it simply allows me to live my ideals and better express, through my lifestyle, the person I've always been. I alwaysfelt eating meat was wrong, but never knew any vegetarians, let alone vegans, to make that choice feel real to me.

I tell people to try it for just one month. If they have the determination and self-control to pull it off, they can sustain it for life - and odds arethey'll want to.

Crossed out everything that I considered unimportant to the subject, just plain condescending nonsense, and/or a subjective fallacy.  Some corrections made to make the above sound less condescending.

Another good recipe sight just fyi
http://vegweb.com/
Some of these recipes are really good with some beef, venison, or chicken thrown is as well

 

[ninjallamafromhell]

Originally Posted by Method Man

So tell me, since the argument isn't the problem, how exactly would you have made those same points?

Method Man wrote:

---

dont do it...women will think ur a wimp
Do you work for a meatpacking plant or something? I've seen you make silly comments like this in a number of similar threads.

Look, if your life's worth hinges on what the Jessica Simpsons of the world think of you, that's your problem. Most women, however, would prefer ahealthy partner to an unhealthy one, a caring partner to an unfeeling one. Who wouldn't prefer, all things being equal, a partner with a lower risk ofcancer, heart disease, or stroke?

Veganism says something positive about you. It represents a deep commitment to one's health and/or ideals. It requires a good deal of self-discipline andis often motivated by empathy and compassion. For many, it's also something arrived at through independence, introspection, and critical thought. Youhave to be strong and self-assured enough to go against convention, to be different and reassess thing most people never question.

Ultimately, though, don't you want someone who loves you for YOU? If someone doesn't appreciate what you're about - so what? Move on and findsomeone more compatible. Should it really bother you if, in the worst case scenario, the "average" person will consider you less attractive? Howmany people are looking for someone average as opposed to someone unique? If anything, this can help you filter out people so immature and superficial as todismiss a health and/or ethical commitment as a sign of weakness. If that's who you're after - keep 'em.

More likely, making that change in lifestyle will help you find someone else who shares your ideals and respect for life.

Im sure you have a lot of insecurities.

dont we all?
Some of us more than others.

ayo

where do vegetarians get their protein from?
Protein isn't an issue. People buy into the protein deficiency myth because it's easier to dismiss veg*anism offhand than to seriously challenge their longstanding behavioralpatterns and assumptions. A lot of it just extends from a lack of understanding. There are plenty of great, healthy protein sources perfect for awell-planned vegan diet, including seitan, lentils, tofu, tempeh, quinoa, chick peas, nuts, beans, and spinach: http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/protein.htm For athletes, vegan hemp seed and pea protein supplements can helpsupply you with a quick post-workout protein source. It's just different, not difficult.

If you are against animal cruelty then go hunting and kill your own meat.
I've gotta say that doesn't make much sense, but if everyone who wished to eat meat had to kill in order to do so rather than simply turna blind eye to cruelty and pretend cooked meat was something other than bloody flesh I'm sure we'd have a lot more veg*ans in this world.

Telling ya'll Pesco-lacto-ovo Vegetarian is the easiest form of being vegetarian.

I run and lift more than anybody I know and I'm NEVER tired or weak. On the contrary, I'm a beast when it comes to working out.
Any reduction in animal consumption is welcome, but I've always found that concept a bit odd. I'm waiting to meet someone who callsthemselves a bovo-pesco-gallus-vegetarian, which would assume the title of "easiest form of vegetarian" - at least until someone invents a form thatallows for the consumption of lamb, too.

Trust that you can engage in intense training and athletics and experience performance gains while on a well-planned vegan diet.

The main reason that I tried vegan was because of animal cruelty, but that can be avoided easily. I've recently switched to 'real' milk, non-homogenized, organic, grass-fed, lightly pasteurized, local milk, and it's much different than traditional milk. Sure, it's expensive, but it insures I'm getting the highest quality product. Goat milk is a great alternative. I used to disagree with dairy, but now I feel like I was somewhat brainwashed by veganism. Only make your own decisions, don't just listen to what other people think is true.
That's become a popular view on dairy: "mend it; don't end it." Really, It's intended to address human health issuesassociated with factory farming, genetic modification, and hormone/antibiotics use more so than the associated ethical issues.

Even so, you still have a very fundamental problem with milk: it's for baby cows. Humans, with few exceptions, are not small cows. A baby cow weighs about80 pounds. After six months, calves stop drinking milk and weigh about 500 pounds. Human mothers have long been discouraged from giving cows' milk to theirinfant children, as the proteins in cows' milk can be very difficult to digest - to the point where it can even cause intestinal bleeding. Cows' milkoften causes constipation in children as well. It's estimated that 65% of the world's human population does not drink cows' milk and much of theworld's population is lactose intolerant. Those who do drink cows' milk represent the only creatures that 1) drink milk beyond infancy and 2) drinkmilk from another species. Medical authorities including Dr. Benjamin Spock, Dr. Charles Attwood, and Dr. Neal Barnard have publicly advised against theconsumption of dairy products. Speaking of saturated fat, cows' milk contains over nine times the quantity of saturated fat included in soy milk, while soymilk offers more than 10 times more essential fatty acids. Soy milk also lowers, rather than raises, LDL cholestorol levels and are, of course, cholestorolfree. As for the purported benefits of milk: broccoli and collard greens contain far more calcium. While the dairy industry constantly promotes the claim thatmilk strengthens bones, but this statement does not appear on milk containers due regulations enforced by the FTC and FDA. have you ever noticed that this statement NEVER appears on actual milk containers? That's because the ads are regulated by the FTCwhile the cartons are regulated by the FDA - and the FDA actually requires that product claims be factually supported.

Walter Willett, Chairman of the Nutrition Department at the Harvard School of Public Health, co-authored a study of more than 75,000 American nurses, whichfound that women who consumed the most calcium from dairy products suffered from substantially more fractures than women who consumed less milk. Thiscorrelation is consistent with broader trends, as the countries with the highest rates of osteoporosis (The US, Finland, Sweden, and England) are also thecountries with the highest consumption of dairy products. Fracture rates are dramatically lower in parts of the world where dairy products generally aren'tconsumed, like rural China, where the fracture rate is just 1/5th that of the US. So much for the "milk does a body good" campaign. On the ethicalfront, even though hormones aren't used in the production of organic milk, in order to stimulate milk production dairy cows are forcibly impregnated. Thecalves are taken from their mothers within hours, which causes the mother cows to frantically search for them, bellowing in agony. Male calves are sold forveal. In several documented cases, their mothers have managed to escape and travel miles away overnight to locate their babies. Many ovo-lacto vegetariansdon't know that, by supporting dairy products, they also support meat products. Not only are dairy cows' male calves fated for slaughter, but so arethe dairy cows themselves. Dairy cows, weakened and exhausted from milk production, are killed and ground into hamburger years before they would reach the lifeexpectancy of a free cow.

We're all responsible for our own choices; I'm just explaining mine and it's hardly something I arrived at via "brainwashing."

Well I try to be humble about it but when I tell people I'm vegetarian they assume we're all weak or something.
Honestly, I feel that maintaining a healthy body is a component of activism. For everyone who buys into the myth that veganism is unhealthy, wecan be living proof of the contrary. It's an easy way to silence the doubters when you can outperform them, add lean mass, and maintain remarkably lowbody fat. When you add in the long term benefits and reduced risk of cancer and heart disease, the question "do you miss meat and dairy" answersitself. Ask any athlete not named Derrick Coleman: success tastes sweeter than steak.

Going from eating fast food on the regular to vegan is very extreme and you won't/can't stick to it.
It's difficult - but not impossible. I did it while in grad school and my schedule had me making the occasional stop at popeyes at the time. I did the research and when I felt comfortable from a health standpoint I made the transition from eating animal products at virtually every meal toeliminating them from every meal in less than 3 weeks. My case is atypical and people should go at a pace that promotes safe, healthy, and lasting change -but it's definitely not impossible to go "cold turkey" around Thanksgiving for the right individual.

I'm considering being a vegetarian, I'll start off by just eating more veggies...I definitely need some recipes though..
There are TONS of cookbooks out there - Barnes and Noble has a whole section for them now. You can also find plenty for free online. Here aresome starter meal plans to check out:

http://living-vegan.blogspot.com/2007/02/vegan-sample-meal-plans.htmlhttp://living-vegan.blogs...n-sample-meal-plans.html

What do vegetarians want to say to the article that came out in Men's Health 2 issues ago about Soy. And how it's supposed to be very bad for the male body. I'm very curious, because they pointed out that soy is supposed to be very damaging to a male's body, even is mediocre doses.
We've already discussed those clains in some recent threads:
http://niketalk.yuku.com/reply/6533922/t/Food-Inc-the-most-important-movie-of-the-year-.html#reply-6533922
http://niketalk.yuku.com/reply/5254144#reply-5254144

It's always the testosterone-addled bodybuilding sources...

I have been a vegetarian since August 4th of this year (for nutrition and trying my best to reduce animal cruelty), and I haven't looked back. Shoutouts to Meth...if anything message him...the guy is really knowledgeable about this process and lifestyle...he helped me during the beggining.
I appreciate the shout and I'm pleased to hear you've been able to make such progress in reducing your consumption of animal products. I'm glad you considered my input helpful - I think it's vitally important for us to pass this on, just as with any other form of social justiceactivism. We have to be the change.

How hard was it go from a meat eating diet to none at all? Was it hard staying a vegetarian, or did you have periods where you went back to eating meat? I'd just like some information from Vegetarians themselves, so I'd appreciate any information.
I made the change in 3 weeks and never looked back. I felt like my energy levels were more consistent, it's very easy to maintain once youform new habits, and it's so rewarding physically and mentally that I have absolutely no desire to go back. I don't even dream about eating chicken;it's not even a suppressed desire. It's not an easy change to make, but if you're devoted you'll persevere and I consider it one of the bestdecisions I've made. I feel it simply allows me to live my ideals and better express, through my lifestyle, the person I've always been. I alwaysfelt eating meat was wrong, but never knew any vegetarians, let alone vegans, to make that choice feel real to me.

I tell people to try it for just one month. If they have the determination and self-control to pull it off, they can sustain it for life - and odds arethey'll want to.

Crossed out everything that I considered unimportant to the subject, just plain condescending nonsense, and/or a subjective fallacy.  Some corrections made to make the above sound less condescending.

Another good recipe sight just fyi
http://vegweb.com/
Some of these recipes are really good with some beef, venison, or chicken thrown is as well

 

[stockholm patriot]

Originally Posted by Shapeshiftah

Originally Posted by Stockholm Patriot

I've been a strict vegan for a couple of years now, and, since I extend that to non-food purchases, it effectively ended my Nike/Jordan patronage as well.

I've been what you called a strict vegetarian for 5 years (except for my depression episode last month)

So when you say non-food purchases meaning you grow you own food? I've always wanted to that

but time and location doesn't permit it. My neighbor who is Indian (Bali or Bangeldesh) has a little garden.

The manure

, it stinks up our whole building when it's wet or hot. But I never saw that man or his kids with a grocery bag

.



So you're a lifestyle vegan? I'm sorry but Nike is all I own beside one pair of DC's and some Supra's...they're just too comfortable to give up.

What he means by non-food purchases are other non-food products derived from animals - leather, wool, fur, coats, shoes, belts, gloves, hats, etc.  I too have decided to swear off all products made from animals, and am in the process of selling and/or giving away all of my Jordans, Nikes, and leather and wool coats, etc.

For some of us, the vegan lifestyle is an ethical choice, in additional to a health decision.  It sounds like you are the latter, while we are the former (although we reap many health benefits as a consequence).

That's some dedication, screw it I'm going in..I have to do this cleanse for 10 days then I have to get rid of all my sneakers and leather coats?...Allergic to wool so don't own anything wool.
I seen a link to some 100% organic sneakers...any care to re-up?

I'm gonna try to get those book Meth suggested next month, just brought 6 new books off Amazon for like $120...kinda not in my budget this month

My goal is to be 100% optimal and lean...I've gained 80 pounds in 18 months since I've moved from NY. I was 220 which is my healthy weight for 6'10
I'm now 300. It's hard because my calorie intake is 3500 at my height, and most foods are measured in servings for the average man which is 5'9 to 6'2

 

[stockholm patriot]

Originally Posted by Shapeshiftah

Originally Posted by Stockholm Patriot

I've been a strict vegan for a couple of years now, and, since I extend that to non-food purchases, it effectively ended my Nike/Jordan patronage as well.

I've been what you called a strict vegetarian for 5 years (except for my depression episode last month)

So when you say non-food purchases meaning you grow you own food? I've always wanted to that

but time and location doesn't permit it. My neighbor who is Indian (Bali or Bangeldesh) has a little garden.

The manure

, it stinks up our whole building when it's wet or hot. But I never saw that man or his kids with a grocery bag

.



So you're a lifestyle vegan? I'm sorry but Nike is all I own beside one pair of DC's and some Supra's...they're just too comfortable to give up.

What he means by non-food purchases are other non-food products derived from animals - leather, wool, fur, coats, shoes, belts, gloves, hats, etc.  I too have decided to swear off all products made from animals, and am in the process of selling and/or giving away all of my Jordans, Nikes, and leather and wool coats, etc.

For some of us, the vegan lifestyle is an ethical choice, in additional to a health decision.  It sounds like you are the latter, while we are the former (although we reap many health benefits as a consequence).

That's some dedication, screw it I'm going in..I have to do this cleanse for 10 days then I have to get rid of all my sneakers and leather coats?...Allergic to wool so don't own anything wool.
I seen a link to some 100% organic sneakers...any care to re-up?

I'm gonna try to get those book Meth suggested next month, just brought 6 new books off Amazon for like $120...kinda not in my budget this month

My goal is to be 100% optimal and lean...I've gained 80 pounds in 18 months since I've moved from NY. I was 220 which is my healthy weight for 6'10
I'm now 300. It's hard because my calorie intake is 3500 at my height, and most foods are measured in servings for the average man which is 5'9 to 6'2

 

[biggie62]

Originally Posted by Stockholm Patriot

Originally Posted by Crank Lucas

Originally Posted by CIDMAN911

Originally Posted by Crank Lucas

blah blah blah blah blah blah

Good point.

Don't worry, you'll outlive live me bro, I mean that's what your aiming for right? LOL

[h2]Pounds Of Putrid Waste Eliminated For Good [/h2]
Until now people who suffer with weight problems have been told they are the way they are because they eat too much and don't exercise.

When you tell people that diet and exercise aren't working for you everyone assumes you're secretly cheating - that you're lazy - that you don't have the willpower to be healthy.

They're wrong!

The toxic substances you consume daily are suppressing your body's natural ability to operate at 100%. They lower your metabolism so that no matter how little you eat you will always stay fat.

It's common to pass pounds of waste in just 10 days on the Master Cleanse, and not the normal kind of waste. It's often black as tar -- The hardened phlegm and mucus comes out like long chunks of rubber -- The waste comes out holding the shape of the inside of your intestine because it's been inside you for years.

It's also common to pass marble sized gallstones which are green and yellow balls of hardened cholesterol that can block the bile ducts from the liver to the small intestine which can be fatal if you don't remove them.

How can you live with all this sickening waste clogging up your body?

I know it's gross, but as you unceremoniously expel this waste you'll feel absolutely amazing. Your body will hum with a lightness and renewed energy that you can't get from drugs, exercise, supplements, or any colon cleansing kit.

See it's hard for me to believe this.  Our bodies, particularly the intestine, are lined in such a way that things don't stick to it.  How can this so called stuff stick.  Most of these "cleanse" diets just remove the excess water weight that you lose when you start working out on the regular anyway.

 

[biggie62]

Originally Posted by Stockholm Patriot

Originally Posted by Crank Lucas

Originally Posted by CIDMAN911

Originally Posted by Crank Lucas

blah blah blah blah blah blah

Good point.

Don't worry, you'll outlive live me bro, I mean that's what your aiming for right? LOL

[h2]Pounds Of Putrid Waste Eliminated For Good [/h2]
Until now people who suffer with weight problems have been told they are the way they are because they eat too much and don't exercise.

When you tell people that diet and exercise aren't working for you everyone assumes you're secretly cheating - that you're lazy - that you don't have the willpower to be healthy.

They're wrong!

The toxic substances you consume daily are suppressing your body's natural ability to operate at 100%. They lower your metabolism so that no matter how little you eat you will always stay fat.

It's common to pass pounds of waste in just 10 days on the Master Cleanse, and not the normal kind of waste. It's often black as tar -- The hardened phlegm and mucus comes out like long chunks of rubber -- The waste comes out holding the shape of the inside of your intestine because it's been inside you for years.

It's also common to pass marble sized gallstones which are green and yellow balls of hardened cholesterol that can block the bile ducts from the liver to the small intestine which can be fatal if you don't remove them.

How can you live with all this sickening waste clogging up your body?

I know it's gross, but as you unceremoniously expel this waste you'll feel absolutely amazing. Your body will hum with a lightness and renewed energy that you can't get from drugs, exercise, supplements, or any colon cleansing kit.

See it's hard for me to believe this.  Our bodies, particularly the intestine, are lined in such a way that things don't stick to it.  How can this so called stuff stick.  Most of these "cleanse" diets just remove the excess water weight that you lose when you start working out on the regular anyway.

 

[shapeshiftah]

Originally Posted by Stockholm Patriot

Originally Posted by Shapeshiftah

Originally Posted by Stockholm Patriot

I've been a strict vegan for a couple of years now, and, since I extend that to non-food purchases, it effectively ended my Nike/Jordan patronage as well.

I've been what you called a strict vegetarian for 5 years (except for my depression episode last month)

So when you say non-food purchases meaning you grow you own food? I've always wanted to that

but time and location doesn't permit it. My neighbor who is Indian (Bali or Bangeldesh) has a little garden.

The manure

, it stinks up our whole building when it's wet or hot. But I never saw that man or his kids with a grocery bag

.



So you're a lifestyle vegan? I'm sorry but Nike is all I own beside one pair of DC's and some Supra's...they're just too comfortable to give up.

What he means by non-food purchases are other non-food products derived from animals - leather, wool, fur, coats, shoes, belts, gloves, hats, etc.  I too have decided to swear off all products made from animals, and am in the process of selling and/or giving away all of my Jordans, Nikes, and leather and wool coats, etc.

For some of us, the vegan lifestyle is an ethical choice, in additional to a health decision.  It sounds like you are the latter, while we are the former (although we reap many health benefits as a consequence).

That's some dedication, screw it I'm going in..I have to do this cleanse for 10 days then I have to get rid of all my sneakers and leather coats?...Allergic to wool so don't own anything wool.
I seen a link to some 100% organic sneakers...any care to re-up?

I'm gonna try to get those book Meth suggested next month, just brought 6 new books off Amazon for like $120...kinda not in my budget this month

My goal is to be 100% optimal and lean...I've gained 80 pounds in 18 months since I've moved from NY. I was 220 which is my healthy weight for 6'10
I'm now 300. It's hard because my calorie intake is 3500 at my height, and most foods are measured in servings for the average man which is 5'9 to 6'2


Most of the kicks I wear these days are canvas Vans Authentics, Palladium boots, faux leather jungle boots, and canvas Clarks desert boots. I still have some canvas AF1's, and I think my blue and black Penny II's are synthetic leather, as are the all black and Penny foams - Meth or somebody else may have to clarify this.  I've pretty much grown out of the whole Nike + JB look, so I wouldn't be mad at having to give up those either. 

When buying books, also look at half.com - I've copped several vegan cookbooks for about $6 each.

 

[shapeshiftah]

Originally Posted by Stockholm Patriot

Originally Posted by Shapeshiftah

Originally Posted by Stockholm Patriot

I've been a strict vegan for a couple of years now, and, since I extend that to non-food purchases, it effectively ended my Nike/Jordan patronage as well.

I've been what you called a strict vegetarian for 5 years (except for my depression episode last month)

So when you say non-food purchases meaning you grow you own food? I've always wanted to that

but time and location doesn't permit it. My neighbor who is Indian (Bali or Bangeldesh) has a little garden.

The manure

, it stinks up our whole building when it's wet or hot. But I never saw that man or his kids with a grocery bag

.



So you're a lifestyle vegan? I'm sorry but Nike is all I own beside one pair of DC's and some Supra's...they're just too comfortable to give up.

What he means by non-food purchases are other non-food products derived from animals - leather, wool, fur, coats, shoes, belts, gloves, hats, etc.  I too have decided to swear off all products made from animals, and am in the process of selling and/or giving away all of my Jordans, Nikes, and leather and wool coats, etc.

For some of us, the vegan lifestyle is an ethical choice, in additional to a health decision.  It sounds like you are the latter, while we are the former (although we reap many health benefits as a consequence).

That's some dedication, screw it I'm going in..I have to do this cleanse for 10 days then I have to get rid of all my sneakers and leather coats?...Allergic to wool so don't own anything wool.
I seen a link to some 100% organic sneakers...any care to re-up?

I'm gonna try to get those book Meth suggested next month, just brought 6 new books off Amazon for like $120...kinda not in my budget this month

My goal is to be 100% optimal and lean...I've gained 80 pounds in 18 months since I've moved from NY. I was 220 which is my healthy weight for 6'10
I'm now 300. It's hard because my calorie intake is 3500 at my height, and most foods are measured in servings for the average man which is 5'9 to 6'2


Most of the kicks I wear these days are canvas Vans Authentics, Palladium boots, faux leather jungle boots, and canvas Clarks desert boots. I still have some canvas AF1's, and I think my blue and black Penny II's are synthetic leather, as are the all black and Penny foams - Meth or somebody else may have to clarify this.  I've pretty much grown out of the whole Nike + JB look, so I wouldn't be mad at having to give up those either. 

When buying books, also look at half.com - I've copped several vegan cookbooks for about $6 each.

 

[stockholm patriot]

Originally Posted by Biggie62

Originally Posted by Stockholm Patriot

Originally Posted by Crank Lucas

Originally Posted by CIDMAN911

Originally Posted by Crank Lucas

blah blah blah blah blah blah

Good point.

Don't worry, you'll outlive live me bro, I mean that's what your aiming for right? LOL

[h2]Pounds Of Putrid Waste Eliminated For Good [/h2]
Until now people who suffer with weight problems have been told they are the way they are because they eat too much and don't exercise.

When you tell people that diet and exercise aren't working for you everyone assumes you're secretly cheating - that you're lazy - that you don't have the willpower to be healthy.

They're wrong!

The toxic substances you consume daily are suppressing your body's natural ability to operate at 100%. They lower your metabolism so that no matter how little you eat you will always stay fat.

It's common to pass pounds of waste in just 10 days on the Master Cleanse, and not the normal kind of waste. It's often black as tar -- The hardened phlegm and mucus comes out like long chunks of rubber -- The waste comes out holding the shape of the inside of your intestine because it's been inside you for years.

It's also common to pass marble sized gallstones which are green and yellow balls of hardened cholesterol that can block the bile ducts from the liver to the small intestine which can be fatal if you don't remove them.

How can you live with all this sickening waste clogging up your body?

I know it's gross, but as you unceremoniously expel this waste you'll feel absolutely amazing. Your body will hum with a lightness and renewed energy that you can't get from drugs, exercise, supplements, or any colon cleansing kit.

See it's hard for me to believe this.  Our bodies, particularly the intestine, are lined in such a way that things don't stick to it.  How can this so called stuff stick.  Most of these "cleanse" diets just remove the excess water weight that you lose when you start working out on the regular anyway.

Who said anything about "sticking"? It's says block the bile ducts ...which is the purpose of an enigma in the first place to clean blockage of the colon.

 

[stockholm patriot]

Originally Posted by Biggie62

Originally Posted by Stockholm Patriot

Originally Posted by Crank Lucas

Originally Posted by CIDMAN911

Originally Posted by Crank Lucas

blah blah blah blah blah blah

Good point.

Don't worry, you'll outlive live me bro, I mean that's what your aiming for right? LOL

[h2]Pounds Of Putrid Waste Eliminated For Good [/h2]
Until now people who suffer with weight problems have been told they are the way they are because they eat too much and don't exercise.

When you tell people that diet and exercise aren't working for you everyone assumes you're secretly cheating - that you're lazy - that you don't have the willpower to be healthy.

They're wrong!

The toxic substances you consume daily are suppressing your body's natural ability to operate at 100%. They lower your metabolism so that no matter how little you eat you will always stay fat.

It's common to pass pounds of waste in just 10 days on the Master Cleanse, and not the normal kind of waste. It's often black as tar -- The hardened phlegm and mucus comes out like long chunks of rubber -- The waste comes out holding the shape of the inside of your intestine because it's been inside you for years.

It's also common to pass marble sized gallstones which are green and yellow balls of hardened cholesterol that can block the bile ducts from the liver to the small intestine which can be fatal if you don't remove them.

How can you live with all this sickening waste clogging up your body?

I know it's gross, but as you unceremoniously expel this waste you'll feel absolutely amazing. Your body will hum with a lightness and renewed energy that you can't get from drugs, exercise, supplements, or any colon cleansing kit.

See it's hard for me to believe this.  Our bodies, particularly the intestine, are lined in such a way that things don't stick to it.  How can this so called stuff stick.  Most of these "cleanse" diets just remove the excess water weight that you lose when you start working out on the regular anyway.

Who said anything about "sticking"? It's says block the bile ducts ...which is the purpose of an enigma in the first place to clean blockage of the colon.

 

[nawth21]

Originally Posted by Shapeshiftah

Originally Posted by Stockholm Patriot

Originally Posted by Shapeshiftah

Originally Posted by Stockholm Patriot

I've been a strict vegan for a couple of years now, and, since I extend that to non-food purchases, it effectively ended my Nike/Jordan patronage as well.

I've been what you called a strict vegetarian for 5 years (except for my depression episode last month)

So when you say non-food purchases meaning you grow you own food? I've always wanted to that

but time and location doesn't permit it. My neighbor who is Indian (Bali or Bangeldesh) has a little garden.

The manure

, it stinks up our whole building when it's wet or hot. But I never saw that man or his kids with a grocery bag

.



So you're a lifestyle vegan? I'm sorry but Nike is all I own beside one pair of DC's and some Supra's...they're just too comfortable to give up.

What he means by non-food purchases are other non-food products derived from animals - leather, wool, fur, coats, shoes, belts, gloves, hats, etc.  I too have decided to swear off all products made from animals, and am in the process of selling and/or giving away all of my Jordans, Nikes, and leather and wool coats, etc.

For some of us, the vegan lifestyle is an ethical choice, in additional to a health decision.  It sounds like you are the latter, while we are the former (although we reap many health benefits as a consequence).

That's some dedication, screw it I'm going in..I have to do this cleanse for 10 days then I have to get rid of all my sneakers and leather coats?...Allergic to wool so don't own anything wool.
I seen a link to some 100% organic sneakers...any care to re-up?

I'm gonna try to get those book Meth suggested next month, just brought 6 new books off Amazon for like $120...kinda not in my budget this month

My goal is to be 100% optimal and lean...I've gained 80 pounds in 18 months since I've moved from NY. I was 220 which is my healthy weight for 6'10
I'm now 300. It's hard because my calorie intake is 3500 at my height, and most foods are measured in servings for the average man which is 5'9 to 6'2

Most of the kicks I wear these days are canvas Vans Authentics, Palladium boots, faux leather jungle boots, and canvas Clarks desert boots. I still have some canvas AF1's, and I think my blue and black Penny II's are synthetic leather, as are the all black and Penny foams - Meth or somebody else may have to clarify this.  I've pretty much grown out of the whole Nike + JB look, so I wouldn't be mad at having to give up those either. 

When buying books, also look at half.com - I've copped several vegan cookbooks for about $6 each.


Only a couple of model of Vans are vegan.   Animal by products are found in the adhesives and the sole materials of most shoes, if I'm not mistaken.  It's not just the upper materials you have to watch.  I think Meth was having a hard time finding truly Vegan alternatives.

 

[nawth21]

Originally Posted by Shapeshiftah

Originally Posted by Stockholm Patriot

Originally Posted by Shapeshiftah

Originally Posted by Stockholm Patriot

I've been a strict vegan for a couple of years now, and, since I extend that to non-food purchases, it effectively ended my Nike/Jordan patronage as well.

I've been what you called a strict vegetarian for 5 years (except for my depression episode last month)

So when you say non-food purchases meaning you grow you own food? I've always wanted to that

but time and location doesn't permit it. My neighbor who is Indian (Bali or Bangeldesh) has a little garden.

The manure

, it stinks up our whole building when it's wet or hot. But I never saw that man or his kids with a grocery bag

.



So you're a lifestyle vegan? I'm sorry but Nike is all I own beside one pair of DC's and some Supra's...they're just too comfortable to give up.

What he means by non-food purchases are other non-food products derived from animals - leather, wool, fur, coats, shoes, belts, gloves, hats, etc.  I too have decided to swear off all products made from animals, and am in the process of selling and/or giving away all of my Jordans, Nikes, and leather and wool coats, etc.

For some of us, the vegan lifestyle is an ethical choice, in additional to a health decision.  It sounds like you are the latter, while we are the former (although we reap many health benefits as a consequence).

That's some dedication, screw it I'm going in..I have to do this cleanse for 10 days then I have to get rid of all my sneakers and leather coats?...Allergic to wool so don't own anything wool.
I seen a link to some 100% organic sneakers...any care to re-up?

I'm gonna try to get those book Meth suggested next month, just brought 6 new books off Amazon for like $120...kinda not in my budget this month

My goal is to be 100% optimal and lean...I've gained 80 pounds in 18 months since I've moved from NY. I was 220 which is my healthy weight for 6'10
I'm now 300. It's hard because my calorie intake is 3500 at my height, and most foods are measured in servings for the average man which is 5'9 to 6'2

Most of the kicks I wear these days are canvas Vans Authentics, Palladium boots, faux leather jungle boots, and canvas Clarks desert boots. I still have some canvas AF1's, and I think my blue and black Penny II's are synthetic leather, as are the all black and Penny foams - Meth or somebody else may have to clarify this.  I've pretty much grown out of the whole Nike + JB look, so I wouldn't be mad at having to give up those either. 

When buying books, also look at half.com - I've copped several vegan cookbooks for about $6 each.


Only a couple of model of Vans are vegan.   Animal by products are found in the adhesives and the sole materials of most shoes, if I'm not mistaken.  It's not just the upper materials you have to watch.  I think Meth was having a hard time finding truly Vegan alternatives.

 

[rexanglorum]

Why do this "cleanse," which amounts to starvation, why associate being vegan with being extremely hungry?

Why not spend those two weeks planning for and buying items and making good vegan meals? If you really are going to not have any animal products it is virtually impossible to have an unhealthy diet, there really is no need to starve yourself unless having diarrhea is really that cathartic to you.

 

[rexanglorum]

Why do this "cleanse," which amounts to starvation, why associate being vegan with being extremely hungry?

Why not spend those two weeks planning for and buying items and making good vegan meals? If you really are going to not have any animal products it is virtually impossible to have an unhealthy diet, there really is no need to starve yourself unless having diarrhea is really that cathartic to you.

 

[stockholm patriot]

Originally Posted by Rexanglorum

Why do this "cleanse," which amounts to starvation, why associate being vegan with being extremely hungry?

Why not spend those two weeks planning for and buying items and making good vegan meals? If you really are going to not have any animal products it is virtually impossible to have an unhealthy diet, there really is no need to starve yourself unless having diarrhea is really that cathartic to you.

The cleanse isn't starving it's cleaning out toxins left from rotting meat and chemically processed food. And I've been a vegitarian for 5 years, finding good meals isn't the issue.
It's also symbolic to me on some levels that's I'm "cleaned out" before I try a purer lifestyle.

 

[stockholm patriot]

Originally Posted by Rexanglorum

Why do this "cleanse," which amounts to starvation, why associate being vegan with being extremely hungry?

Why not spend those two weeks planning for and buying items and making good vegan meals? If you really are going to not have any animal products it is virtually impossible to have an unhealthy diet, there really is no need to starve yourself unless having diarrhea is really that cathartic to you.

The cleanse isn't starving it's cleaning out toxins left from rotting meat and chemically processed food. And I've been a vegitarian for 5 years, finding good meals isn't the issue.
It's also symbolic to me on some levels that's I'm "cleaned out" before I try a purer lifestyle.

 

[fulltech]

Since everyone is talking about diets, can anyone help me with a diet to gain weight, the healthy way？

 

[fulltech]

Since everyone is talking about diets, can anyone help me with a diet to gain weight, the healthy way？

 

[Methodical Management]

Crossed out everything that I considered unimportant to the subject, just plain condescending nonsense, and/or a subjective fallacy.  Some corrections made to make the above sound less condescending.

  Yup, he's mad.  Something "unimportant to the subject" infuriates you?  Really?  So, I'm condescending, but you're gonna grade a message board post like a high school teacher.  Okay.
You mentioned your girlfriend is vegan... this wouldn't be a case of projection, would it?

ninjallamafromhell wrote:

---

I've never had a girlfriend that didn't treat me like #*$%, manipulate and use me at every turn. I'm done being kind and respectful to women, they'll have to earn it now. Young bucks don't give a woman #*$% unless you've %@*#%% first. 

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It's not by coincidence that you always seem to poke out of the woodwork in all of these vegetarian & vegan threads.   I'm just trying to understand where all the hate's coming from.  Let it out.  

That's some dedication, screw it I'm going in..I have to do this cleanse for 10 days then I have to get rid of all my sneakers and leather coats?...Allergic to wool so don't own anything wool.
I seen a link to some 100% organic sneakers...any care to re-up?

That's awesome.  I'll be happy to help if I can.  There are a lot of people out there this winter without homes and warm clothing.  Giving it away to a shelter or selling valuable items and donating the proceeds to charity would be a really great way to unburden yourself of items you're no longer going to wear.  

Only a couple of model of Vans are vegan.   Animal by products are found in the adhesives and the sole materials of most shoes, if I'm not mistaken.  It's not just the upper materials you have to watch.  I think Meth was having a hard time finding truly Vegan alternatives.

Exactly.  If you were only to go by the uppers, a lot of Nikes would be acceptable.  Unfortunately, there are often animal derived substances in the outsoles and adhesives.   
Most Brooks running shoes are entirely vegan, including the outsoles and adhesives.  The only exception, I believe, are some of their trail running shoes, which may use leather.  They're not quite my style, but a company called Macbeth makes a line of vegan sneakers as well.  (Their vegan products are always specified as such, everything else uses leather etc.)

If you want a pair of Chucks for casual wear, Ethletic makes some that are not only vegan, but they're union made as well.  If the point is to try and minimize the harm associated with a product, eliminating animal products is only part of the equation.  How the human beings employed by the company are treated is, of course, very important as well - as is the environmental impact of the production process.   Writing to companies helps, too, just by letting them know that these are issues that govern your purchasing decisions.  

It's a sacrifice.  If, like me, you grew up really coveting high-end basketball sneakers like Air Jordans, there's really not much out there that's truly vegan.  I had to learn to make do with running shoes etc. 

Even conservative estimates performed by UN researchers find that animal agriculture is responsible for a greater share of greenhouse gas emissions than ALL forms of transportation COMBINED.  Even if you are willing to kill for fashion, it's worth keeping in mind that, in the long run, cows aren't the only creatures who suffer for it.  

I'm someone who had a fairly substantial Nike/Jordan collection (maybe 200 pairs), but if push comes to shove I decided that I'd rather express my values than my style.  The larger the market for vegan shoes, the more diversified it'll become.  I'm hopeful that, in time, we'll get some really great vegan basketball shoes and who knows?  Maybe we can use our visibility as sneaker fans to help manufacturers realize that the demand for such products exists and is only growing. 

Why not spend those two weeks planning for and buying items and making good vegan meals?  If you really are going to not have any animal products it is virtually impossible to have an unhealthy diet, there really is no need to starve yourself unless having diarrhea is really that cathartic to you.

I'm certainly an advocate of plant-based diets, but it's definitely not fool proof.  There are certain things EVERY vegan needs to be aware of, like how to obtain sufficient quantities of B-12 and other nutrients (http://www.vrg.org/nutshell/vegan.htm#nut ), to stay healthy and, as more and more convenience foods come on the market, vegans have access to more junk food than ever before.  
Is it healthier than non-vegan junk food?  Sure, but it's not like you can stuff yourself with Daiya's vegan cheese products and still achieve your fitness goals.  

It's kind of sad, but it's never been easier for vegans to avoid vegetables.  That's where a raw or mostly-raw vegan diet can prove especially helpful, but, like anything, in order to be healthy you have to do your homework.  So, even though you've been vegetarian, spending the next two weeks familiarizing yourself with the elements of a raw or mostly-raw vegan diet is a really great idea.  

There's no better way to get off to a fast start and stick with a diet than to be fully prepared going in.  A lot of the people I know who gave up on veg*an diets did so because they never really took the time up front to learn about the nutrition behind it, and they blamed their lack of energy etc. on veganism or vegetarianism as a whole rather than on the fact that, say, they were trying to live on hummus and veggie burgers alone. 

 

[Methodical Management]

Crossed out everything that I considered unimportant to the subject, just plain condescending nonsense, and/or a subjective fallacy.  Some corrections made to make the above sound less condescending.

  Yup, he's mad.  Something "unimportant to the subject" infuriates you?  Really?  So, I'm condescending, but you're gonna grade a message board post like a high school teacher.  Okay.
You mentioned your girlfriend is vegan... this wouldn't be a case of projection, would it?

ninjallamafromhell wrote:

---

I've never had a girlfriend that didn't treat me like #*$%, manipulate and use me at every turn. I'm done being kind and respectful to women, they'll have to earn it now. Young bucks don't give a woman #*$% unless you've %@*#%% first. 

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It's not by coincidence that you always seem to poke out of the woodwork in all of these vegetarian & vegan threads.   I'm just trying to understand where all the hate's coming from.  Let it out.  

That's some dedication, screw it I'm going in..I have to do this cleanse for 10 days then I have to get rid of all my sneakers and leather coats?...Allergic to wool so don't own anything wool.
I seen a link to some 100% organic sneakers...any care to re-up?

That's awesome.  I'll be happy to help if I can.  There are a lot of people out there this winter without homes and warm clothing.  Giving it away to a shelter or selling valuable items and donating the proceeds to charity would be a really great way to unburden yourself of items you're no longer going to wear.  

Only a couple of model of Vans are vegan.   Animal by products are found in the adhesives and the sole materials of most shoes, if I'm not mistaken.  It's not just the upper materials you have to watch.  I think Meth was having a hard time finding truly Vegan alternatives.

Exactly.  If you were only to go by the uppers, a lot of Nikes would be acceptable.  Unfortunately, there are often animal derived substances in the outsoles and adhesives.   
Most Brooks running shoes are entirely vegan, including the outsoles and adhesives.  The only exception, I believe, are some of their trail running shoes, which may use leather.  They're not quite my style, but a company called Macbeth makes a line of vegan sneakers as well.  (Their vegan products are always specified as such, everything else uses leather etc.)

If you want a pair of Chucks for casual wear, Ethletic makes some that are not only vegan, but they're union made as well.  If the point is to try and minimize the harm associated with a product, eliminating animal products is only part of the equation.  How the human beings employed by the company are treated is, of course, very important as well - as is the environmental impact of the production process.   Writing to companies helps, too, just by letting them know that these are issues that govern your purchasing decisions.  

It's a sacrifice.  If, like me, you grew up really coveting high-end basketball sneakers like Air Jordans, there's really not much out there that's truly vegan.  I had to learn to make do with running shoes etc. 

Even conservative estimates performed by UN researchers find that animal agriculture is responsible for a greater share of greenhouse gas emissions than ALL forms of transportation COMBINED.  Even if you are willing to kill for fashion, it's worth keeping in mind that, in the long run, cows aren't the only creatures who suffer for it.  

I'm someone who had a fairly substantial Nike/Jordan collection (maybe 200 pairs), but if push comes to shove I decided that I'd rather express my values than my style.  The larger the market for vegan shoes, the more diversified it'll become.  I'm hopeful that, in time, we'll get some really great vegan basketball shoes and who knows?  Maybe we can use our visibility as sneaker fans to help manufacturers realize that the demand for such products exists and is only growing. 

Why not spend those two weeks planning for and buying items and making good vegan meals?  If you really are going to not have any animal products it is virtually impossible to have an unhealthy diet, there really is no need to starve yourself unless having diarrhea is really that cathartic to you.

I'm certainly an advocate of plant-based diets, but it's definitely not fool proof.  There are certain things EVERY vegan needs to be aware of, like how to obtain sufficient quantities of B-12 and other nutrients (http://www.vrg.org/nutshell/vegan.htm#nut ), to stay healthy and, as more and more convenience foods come on the market, vegans have access to more junk food than ever before.  
Is it healthier than non-vegan junk food?  Sure, but it's not like you can stuff yourself with Daiya's vegan cheese products and still achieve your fitness goals.  

It's kind of sad, but it's never been easier for vegans to avoid vegetables.  That's where a raw or mostly-raw vegan diet can prove especially helpful, but, like anything, in order to be healthy you have to do your homework.  So, even though you've been vegetarian, spending the next two weeks familiarizing yourself with the elements of a raw or mostly-raw vegan diet is a really great idea.  

There's no better way to get off to a fast start and stick with a diet than to be fully prepared going in.  A lot of the people I know who gave up on veg*an diets did so because they never really took the time up front to learn about the nutrition behind it, and they blamed their lack of energy etc. on veganism or vegetarianism as a whole rather than on the fact that, say, they were trying to live on hummus and veggie burgers alone. 

 

[recycledpaper]

vegan = not eating meat or anything associated with meat?

wow.. that's tough.

 

[recycledpaper]

vegan = not eating meat or anything associated with meat?

wow.. that's tough.

 

[whiterails]

Originally Posted by Method Man

Crossed out everything that I considered unimportant to the subject, just plain condescending nonsense, and/or a subjective fallacy.  Some corrections made to make the above sound less condescending.

  Yup, he's mad.  Something "unimportant to the subject" infuriates you?  Really?  So, I'm condescending, but you're gonna grade a message board post like a high school teacher.  Okay.
You specifically asked him how he would convey the points without the attitude.
He did so by removing all the pretentious BS.  

Then you criticized him... for doing exactly what you asked him to do?