.::10.27 NBA Opening Night- Celtics vs. Cavaliers- 7:30pm on TNT::.
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Anyone who thinks this game is indicative of how the season will be be needs to put the pipe down. It was blatantly obvious that its still a feeling outprocess on d and o, but you can see signs of what this team will be. Everybody looked lost while Boston had rotations down already and looked a lil furtheralong than the Cavs. Everybody chillax til about 25 games in, then we can have serious discussion. "What we talkin bout".
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^ Nobody outside of Lebron scares you, and that's the truth.
It will be the same old story in the playoffs, let Lebron bring the ball up the court and shoot after 20 seconds. Let him do what he wants.
It will be the same old story in the playoffs, let Lebron bring the ball up the court and shoot after 20 seconds. Let him do what he wants.
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i know i shouldnt feel bad for any man whos making 20mil + this year but i feel bad for lebron. hes gunna put in all this work in the regular season, and putup monster numbers in the playoffs but dudes got no help. oh wait hes got all-star mo williams so nvm.
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--Good win for the C's. Looked solid out there.
--A healthy C team...scary.
--A healthy C team...scary.
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for those of you saying it's only one game, yall aint worried when it's at the end of the season and this one game means home court advantage or not inthe playoffs/finals? cause it looks like it's gonna be a tight race in the east.
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yeah this was game 1, dont throw in the towel yet. its not where we start but where we finish
i liked the intro video too, but not the song. i think put on was still prob the best one weve had in a while
i liked the intro video too, but not the song. i think put on was still prob the best one weve had in a while
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If Lebron and the Cavs win 55 games this season and Kobe & the Lakers win 67 to 70 or more games this game. I seriously want know how themedia is going to give Lebron another MVP award this season? The usual excuse will be "well Lebron had the better stats this season" or "wellKobe had a better and deeper team this season".
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^ Stop your whining
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first off its just one game....second as much as i hate the celtics theyre gonna win the east...sheed and daniels pick up is gonna be huge for them...orlandosgonna have the best record but boston are just too experienced and deep for them....the cavs are lucky to be in the east cause theyre the 3rd best team in theeast
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danny ferry and mike brown will squander one of the greatest gifts in sports history.
that's all.
that's all.
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People are hilarious.
A 66 win team got BETTER, and now people saying this team will get ousted in the 1st round????
Get that weak stuff outta here.
Shaq isn't and doesn't need to be the ORL/L.A. Shaq. He just needs to bang out 12-15 ppg and grab 8-10 rbg. Compared to what Wally, Sasha and Ben gavethis 66 win team last year, I WILL TAKE IT.
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I needed a laugh today!
A 66 win team got BETTER, and now people saying this team will get ousted in the 1st round????
Get that weak stuff outta here.
Shaq isn't and doesn't need to be the ORL/L.A. Shaq. He just needs to bang out 12-15 ppg and grab 8-10 rbg. Compared to what Wally, Sasha and Ben gavethis 66 win team last year, I WILL TAKE IT.
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He won't even get those numbers.. But even if he did it still won't make up for the things that make him a liability: Transition basketball and himslowing down the offense.
Shaquille O'Neal is 37 years old. And being 37 isn't the right age to be for a guy who has been constantly criticized for being out of shape. And fromwhat I've seen in the new photos he certainly doesn't look thinner.
Olajuwon. Robinson. Ewing. Three great centers. All three had a season between the ages of 36 and 38 where they went from being solid centers the previousseason to borderline scrubs who were barely good enough to still be in the league. I have a feeling this will be that season for Shaq.
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not many people say you regressed, you are missing the point
while you got slightly better, the celtics, magic,spurs, and lakes arguably got much better than the cavs did.
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Exactly.
Just because they got Moon, Parker and Shaq for Wally, Ben and Sasha does not automatically make them better as some seem to think. Of course, those peopleare blind, so good luck making them get that.
For those with two eyes open, the stars and moons aligned last year and gave the Cavs great health, and solid years from everybody they needed. Not to mentiongetting the #1 seed and avoiding having to play both elite teams in the East. If they don't pull that move off this year........
Making a few moves won't guarnatee that same luck. Maybe Shaq will clog everything up. Maybe Moon isn't as good as thought. Maybe Wally'sshooting is better then anyone realized. Etc etc etc. LOTS of things can change the dynamic.
Saying they won 66 and got better doesn't equate to 67 wins, or 68 or reaching the finals or ANY of that. Because at the same time, the CELTICS are betterthen they were last year. The MAGIC are better then they were last year. And the LAKERS are better then they were last year. Those teams aren't ALLgoing to win 65+ games in the same year.
It takes more then just a couple moves to get to where they want to be. The Cavs still have the exact same issues, LeBron, and a bunch of other guys. Hadthey landed Sheed..........maybe he woulda been the type of player they needed. One who could space the floor big time, creating lanes for Bron, but alsocreating the space for Bron to kick out to Sheed for wide open shots, and still be able to defend down low and improve speed and match up ability with theD12's of the world.
They don't have that guy. Now hey, they'll crack open lesser teams no doubt. They'll win a ton of games becasue of LeBron no doubt, but they willlose to the top 3-4 teams in the league over and over. And there isn't a damn thing Brown can do to change that. Their best move is to make a deal andget someone else in here to help Bron. Fake all star Mo and 38 year old Shaq won't cut it vs the Celts, Magic or Lakers. This team, as assembled,can't beat those teams.
Exactly.
Just because they got Moon, Parker and Shaq for Wally, Ben and Sasha does not automatically make them better as some seem to think. Of course, those peopleare blind, so good luck making them get that.
For those with two eyes open, the stars and moons aligned last year and gave the Cavs great health, and solid years from everybody they needed. Not to mentiongetting the #1 seed and avoiding having to play both elite teams in the East. If they don't pull that move off this year........
Making a few moves won't guarnatee that same luck. Maybe Shaq will clog everything up. Maybe Moon isn't as good as thought. Maybe Wally'sshooting is better then anyone realized. Etc etc etc. LOTS of things can change the dynamic.
Saying they won 66 and got better doesn't equate to 67 wins, or 68 or reaching the finals or ANY of that. Because at the same time, the CELTICS are betterthen they were last year. The MAGIC are better then they were last year. And the LAKERS are better then they were last year. Those teams aren't ALLgoing to win 65+ games in the same year.
It takes more then just a couple moves to get to where they want to be. The Cavs still have the exact same issues, LeBron, and a bunch of other guys. Hadthey landed Sheed..........maybe he woulda been the type of player they needed. One who could space the floor big time, creating lanes for Bron, but alsocreating the space for Bron to kick out to Sheed for wide open shots, and still be able to defend down low and improve speed and match up ability with theD12's of the world.
They don't have that guy. Now hey, they'll crack open lesser teams no doubt. They'll win a ton of games becasue of LeBron no doubt, but they willlose to the top 3-4 teams in the league over and over. And there isn't a damn thing Brown can do to change that. Their best move is to make a deal andget someone else in here to help Bron. Fake all star Mo and 38 year old Shaq won't cut it vs the Celts, Magic or Lakers. This team, as assembled,can't beat those teams.
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Really? Did they really get THAT much better?
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Exactly.
Just because they got Moon, Parker and Shaq for Wally, Ben and Sasha does not automatically make them better as some seem to think. Of course, those people are blind, so good luck making them get that.
For those with two eyes open, the stars and moons aligned last year and gave the Cavs great health, and solid years from everybody they needed. Not to mention getting the #1 seed and avoiding having to play both elite teams in the East. If they don't pull that move off this year........
Making a few moves won't guarnatee that same luck. Maybe Shaq will clog everything up. Maybe Moon isn't as good as thought. Maybe Wally's shooting is better then anyone realized. Etc etc etc. LOTS of things can change the dynamic.
Saying they won 66 and got better doesn't equate to 67 wins, or 68 or reaching the finals or ANY of that. Because at the same time, the CELTICS are better then they were last year. The MAGIC are better then they were last year. And the LAKERS are better then they were last year. Those teams aren't ALL going to win 65+ games in the same year.
It takes more then just a couple moves to get to where they want to be. The Cavs still have the exact same issues, LeBron, and a bunch of other guys. Had they landed Sheed..........maybe he woulda been the type of player they needed. One who could space the floor big time, creating lanes for Bron, but also creating the space for Bron to kick out to Sheed for wide open shots, and still be able to defend down low and improve speed and match up ability with the D12's of the world.
They don't have that guy. Now hey, they'll crack open lesser teams no doubt. They'll win a ton of games becasue of LeBron no doubt, but they will lose to the top 3-4 teams in the league over and over. And there isn't a damn thing Brown can do to change that. Their best move is to make a deal and get someone else in here to help Bron. Fake all star Mo and 38 year old Shaq won't cut it vs the Celts, Magic or Lakers. This team, as assembled, can't beat those teams.
Oh, the always useful hypotheticals.
66 wins and 8-0 through the first two rounds of the playoffs means they did something right last year.
What ensued afterwards also meant they needed to address certain needs that won't be felt until the postseason. That is size and length. Add in LeBroncontinuing to develop his game at the age of TWENTY-FOUR
But hey, it's a LOOOOOONG season and a lot can happen. Shaq could get hurt, KG could get hurt, VC could get hurt, Bynum could get hurt, Ginobli could gethurt...etc
I'm done talking about who's best when 4 games have been played in all the NBA
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Add in LeBron continuing to develop his game at the age of TWENTY-FOUR image and Mo Williams gaining experience, this team undoubtedly got better than the onethat made it to the ECF.
for the last time. nobody said they didn't get better.... like what don't you get about what either of us said? getting better doesn't equate tomore wins or a longer post season because OTHER teams got better
for the last time. nobody said they didn't get better.... like what don't you get about what either of us said? getting better doesn't equate tomore wins or a longer post season because OTHER teams got better
Originally Posted by outacontrol music
Really? Did they really get THAT much better?The Celtics added an aging Sheed (who score 2 more points than Shaq last night) and a swingman in Daniels who provides about as much as Moon and Parker. Don't forget the thrashing that the Cavs laid on Boston back on Easter when they were at the top of their game.
Originally Posted by CP1708
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Exactly.
Just because they got Moon, Parker and Shaq for Wally, Ben and Sasha does not automatically make them better as some seem to think. Of course, those people are blind, so good luck making them get that.
For those with two eyes open, the stars and moons aligned last year and gave the Cavs great health, and solid years from everybody they needed. Not to mention getting the #1 seed and avoiding having to play both elite teams in the East. If they don't pull that move off this year........
Making a few moves won't guarnatee that same luck. Maybe Shaq will clog everything up. Maybe Moon isn't as good as thought. Maybe Wally's shooting is better then anyone realized. Etc etc etc. LOTS of things can change the dynamic.
Saying they won 66 and got better doesn't equate to 67 wins, or 68 or reaching the finals or ANY of that. Because at the same time, the CELTICS are better then they were last year. The MAGIC are better then they were last year. And the LAKERS are better then they were last year. Those teams aren't ALL going to win 65+ games in the same year.
It takes more then just a couple moves to get to where they want to be. The Cavs still have the exact same issues, LeBron, and a bunch of other guys. Had they landed Sheed..........maybe he woulda been the type of player they needed. One who could space the floor big time, creating lanes for Bron, but also creating the space for Bron to kick out to Sheed for wide open shots, and still be able to defend down low and improve speed and match up ability with the D12's of the world.
They don't have that guy. Now hey, they'll crack open lesser teams no doubt. They'll win a ton of games becasue of LeBron no doubt, but they will lose to the top 3-4 teams in the league over and over. And there isn't a damn thing Brown can do to change that. Their best move is to make a deal and get someone else in here to help Bron. Fake all star Mo and 38 year old Shaq won't cut it vs the Celts, Magic or Lakers. This team, as assembled, can't beat those teams.
Oh, the always useful hypotheticals.
66 wins and 8-0 through the first two rounds of the playoffs means they did something right last year.
What ensued afterwards also meant they needed to address certain needs that won't be felt until the postseason. That is size and length. Add in LeBron continuing to develop his game at the age of TWENTY-FOURand Mo Williams gaining experience, this team undoubtedly got better than the one that made it to the ECF.
But hey, it's a LOOOOOONG season and a lot can happen. Shaq could get hurt, KG could get hurt, VC could get hurt, Bynum could get hurt, Ginobli could get hurt...etc
I'm done talking about who's best when 4 games have been played in all the NBA
And Speed. Shaq is plenty of size and length, but that ain't the problem, they need speed.
Sheed can be old as Shaq all he wants, it's his GAME that is needed. Spacing, lateral movement, talking on D, his longer arms, that is something Shaq cannot do.
I find it hard to believe that if someone was picking a team, right now, they would take Shaq over Sheed. 5 years ago, yes, today, no way in hell. Shaq was amonster that couldn't be stopped, but he is not that guy anymore. Sheed just needs an inch of space and he can dagger a 3. And on defense, it's noteven close the disparity between the 2.
And oh by the way, it's not just Sheed and Daniels, it's also the return of KG and the development of Rondo. Add all that up, and the Celtics areextremely formidable.
But agreed, long season, we all know that, but there are more issues then being talked about. That's all I was sayin.
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whats the point in aruging?
Fans will always be blinded by homerism, word to bhz no pun intended
Fans will always be blinded by homerism, word to bhz no pun intended
