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Originally Posted by jawnyquest
hanley > reyes healthy > yunel > reyes not 100% > guzman > rollins
AND in my opinion Esco is the clear cut best defensive shortstop in the majors
I would like you to unbiasedly and logically defend that claim.
I don't want to hear this type of response...
Talent wise, I agree it was a stupid trade. I'm sure the Braves realize what they were giving up, however, it just shows you how bad Yunel's prima donna attitude was. He lost respect in a laid back clubhouse full of veterans, and it seems Bobby Cox wanted his %*# out of the ATL asap. I'm sure that contributed to his troubles at the plate, Yunel made his own bed.
He's a talented SS and ballplayer, but to call him the best of anything is absurd.
dudes stay trying me on here.. i love it
Stop gassing yourself. Even when you are blatantly wrong you can't admit it.
Showing up to a gunfight with an empty clip.
Originally Posted by thetruth03
This dude Iron Man
I make the statement that he's the best defensive shortstop in the league because I'm an avid fan of the game.. I watch and follow every team.. I can use my own eyes to judge talent at that level.. I dont need zone ratings and such to do so.. Yet just for the doubters i posted an article from mlb.com saying Yunel is the best in the MLB defensively at his position.. I asked the question who's better in the field than him, and you gave no response.. You act like because he's flashy that means i think he's the bestYou've showed me over the years that evaluated talent isnt one of your strengths.
Atlanta didn't want Furcal to play SS in 2008 when they were pursing him, they wanted him to play 2nd base.. Yunel had SS sewed up because he has a better glove..
And are you seriously calling Escobar's 1st full season in the Bigs a "career year"thats just a preview of whats to come..
A short stop that can potentially hit 25+ HR's 90+ RBI's and bat over .300 + being the best defensive shortstop in the league is why i'd take him over any other SS in the league. I think some of yall are forgetting about the importance of having a great defensive shortstop.
And come on dude.. Elvis Andrus is NOT better than Escobar.
There's really no point in continuing to argue, im not changing my opinion and neither are you.. I'll bump this thread in 2 years and have a field day w/ yall. OKbye
Co-sign. Escobar needs to use that reaction time he flashes in the field to get out of the batter's box better if he's gonna keep hitting >50% groundballs. How does Mike Napoli, a right-handed flyball hitting catcher who didn't get enough ABs to qualify for the batting title, leg out more infield hitter than Escobar last year?Originally Posted by Proshares
So just because some of us disagree with Truth on his view of Escobar, we're just being sheep following ESPN/other publications. Escobar is a great defensive SS but his offensive struggles this season outweighed that. Like I said before, he's become extremely slow on the base paths and it's pretty obvious the clubhouse wasn't a fan of him. They gave Gonzalez a standing ovation, that should tell you something. Gonzalez has been hitting well this year with RISP and driving in runs while slugging at a career mark. Yunel hasn't been hitting well and this team wants to win this year. Lineup becomes more complete. Yunel was looking like a right handed Cano from a few years ago with terrible pitch recognition. Maybe he does put it together in Toronto, I mean he has been good since being traded (albeit against one of the worst pitching staffs/bullpens in the majors) and that could be a nice core with Wallace, Wells and Toronto's staff. Yunel was regarded as the better prospect over Elvis when Elvis was 18-19 and Yunel was a polished 24 year old. Andrus will be an All-Star fixture in the AL for the next 10 years or so. He's getting better defensively, getting better at making straight on contact with the ball and learned to read pitchers' moves better. But then again, I just got this all from ESPN apparently.