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Originally Posted by SneakerPro
If you believe in the bible you have to believe in incest.
Da hilarious thing in this thread is certain lollipops advocatingDa broad acceptence of homosexuals will shun incest in da same breath.
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Originally Posted by SneakerPro
If you believe in the bible you have to believe in incest.
Originally Posted by sillyputty
Originally Posted by Deuce King
I wish people would STOP comparing the civil rights movement to the homosexuality movement, no comparison.
Seeking equal protection from and accessibility to the law makes it the SAME effort.
But the struggles, ramifications, and long lasting results arent the same. It would be like comparing a person who is discriminated in getting a promotion at a job for sexual preference vs. someone who is beaten, mistreated etc for even going into the building the job is located. Both are bad but one is clearly worst off then the other. But the goal in which both are trying to seek, yes is similar. And one other note is that one group were/still are being mistreated and the other group are being denied rights and priviledges.
Its like if i take two kids, one ask for a cookie and i mistreat him, beat him, and make him earn the cookie and still deny him the cookie solely on his skin color, the other instance would be if a kid came up and ask hey can i have a cookie and was simply told no because of their sexual preference. Yes both kids are denied the cookie. But the treatment and reaction in results of asking for the cookie are clearly different.
I'm utterly disgusted with the almost caveman-like thinking of NinjaHood and others who feel the need to flex e-muscle without actually making a point. "Oh, you disagree with me? How about I slap you?" ...like stop it you barbarian. Grow up. This is a mature conversation that doesn't need to come to blows. If you can't state your opinion without threatening others, then you're not worthy of participating in the conversation by virtue of your LACK of relevancy.
You guys are arguing on the BOTTOM of the pyramid.
Originally Posted by a55a5in11
Peep Game wrote:
**can't think of any relevant counter argument**
***makes random threats***
Originally Posted by sn00pee
Originally Posted by Deuce King
I wish people would STOP comparing the civil rights movement to the homosexuality movement, no comparison.
i bet you think the women's movements werent comparable too huh?
Whats worse? A rape or non-fatal beat down?Originally Posted by LDJ
Originally Posted by sillyputty
Originally Posted by Deuce King
I wish people would STOP comparing the civil rights movement to the homosexuality movement, no comparison.
Seeking equal protection from and accessibility to the law makes it the SAME effort.
But the struggles, ramifications, and long lasting results arent the same. It would be like comparing a person who is discriminated in getting a promotion at a job for sexual preference vs. someone who is beaten, mistreated etc for even going into the building the job is located. Both are bad but one is clearly worst off then the other. But the goal in which both are trying to seek, yes is similar. And one other note is that one group were/still are being mistreated and the other group are being denied rights and priviledges.
Its like if i take two kids, one ask for a cookie and i mistreat him, beat him, and make him earn the cookie and still deny him the cookie solely on his skin color, the other instance would be if a kid came up and ask hey can i have a cookie and was simply told no because of their sexual preference. Yes both kids are denied the cookie. But the treatment and reaction in results of asking for the cookie are clearly different.
I'm utterly disgusted with the almost caveman-like thinking of NinjaHood and others who feel the need to flex e-muscle without actually making a point. "Oh, you disagree with me? How about I slap you?" ...like stop it you barbarian. Grow up. This is a mature conversation that doesn't need to come to blows. If you can't state your opinion without threatening others, then you're not worthy of participating in the conversation by virtue of your LACK of relevancy.
You guys are arguing on the BOTTOM of the pyramid.
Originally Posted by Peep Game
thats not a threat. saying i will pop you in the mouth is a threat. saying i would have is not a threat
Originally Posted by DAYTONA 5000
DO YOU.
sillyputty wrote:
Originally Posted by LDJ
sillyputty wrote:
Seeking equal protection from and accessibility to the law makes it the SAME effort.
But the struggles, ramifications, and long lasting results arent the same. It would be like comparing a person who is discriminated in getting a promotion at a job for sexual preference vs. someone who is beaten, mistreated etc for even going into the building the job is located. Both are bad but one is clearly worst off then the other. But the goal in which both are trying to seek, yes is similar. And one other note is that one group were/still are being mistreated and the other group are being denied rights and priviledges.
Its like if i take two kids, one ask for a cookie and i mistreat him, beat him, and make him earn the cookie and still deny him the cookie solely on his skin color, the other instance would be if a kid came up and ask hey can i have a cookie and was simply told no because of their sexual preference. Yes both kids are denied the cookie. But the treatment and reaction in results of asking for the cookie are clearly different.
I'm utterly disgusted with the almost caveman-like thinking of NinjaHood and others who feel the need to flex e-muscle without actually making a point. "Oh, you disagree with me? How about I slap you?" ...like stop it you barbarian. Grow up. This is a mature conversation that doesn't need to come to blows. If you can't state your opinion without threatening others, then you're not worthy of participating in the conversation by virtue of your LACK of relevancy.
You guys are arguing on the BOTTOM of the pyramid.
Whats worse? A rape or non-fatal beat down?
Both are crimes and injustices.
Stop comparing things tit-for-tat.
These are DIFFERENT issues but they are EQUALLY important in the context of CIVIL rights.
Our people (I would know, I am one) LOVE to act like if anyone might get the spot-light taken away from them then they'll be forgotten. Jews do it. Women do it. Catholics do it. Every formerly oppressed group does it. We never want to forget to make others know what we went through.
The struggles are equally important but the stories are not the same.
Again, you're using two different classifications to justify the same unequal treatment.
Race is race. Sexuality is sexuality.
Inequality is still the same. Its the result of all of this.
your example is in no way similiar to the treatment of african americans and homosexuals. Are you really saying rape/slavery/theivery = just saying no?
So you are saying if you went to a job and they said no we wont hire you cause your gay, is the same as we will force you to work beat you mistreat you and overwork you for absolutely no compensation?
Im later going to the bank to ask for an extention on a loan, and if they said no we cant do that because of your race. While yes ill feel some sort of way about it. but please believe ill rather take the simple rejection of no then me go and ask and they take a whip beat me, rape my lady and daughters, take everything i own, then chase me back to my car with german sheppards, and beat me with batons, and hit me with fire hoses.
According to your theory, if you asked out a girl, her saying no, is pretty much the same as if she beat you, robbed you, raped your moms, stole everything you had simply because the end results is the answer no.
And i would love to where homosexuals were slaves. When were homosexuals treated like common livestock again? what time period were homosexuals taken from their land, and their inventions resources, and technology stolen from them again. And what govt agency was developed solely on stopping homosexuals for protesting equal rights again. How many homosexuals were lynched, fed to gators, nailed and burned to a cross. How many pipe bombs have been tossed into gay clubs again? how many homosexuals have been assainiated for speaking out on their beliefs again? How many homosexuals were sent to a war and were used like common placed lab rats and used as guinea pigs to see the effects of certain dieases and drugs amongst humans?
Last i checked all they had was ppl simply denying them marriage and a few other common rights other americans enjoy. I mean the transatlantic homosexual trade must have slipped my mind. I guess the homosexual version of Tuskegee experiments was overlooked by me as well as everyone else in the free world. Must have miss the part where their were white/black/homosexual restaurants and other common places in society. I guess the govt. agencies who created a task force solely to stop the advancement of homosexuals must have came and went before anyone could even make an account of it even existing.
So denial of jobs/not being able to get tax earned credits by being married under what the govt believes is marriage is in the same realm as slavery, segregation and all the other slew of vile actions.
Let me guess the homosexual plight is in the same realms as the holocaust to huh? Maybe on the lines of the treatment of native americans.
For the most part homosexuals as a whole arent being mistreated by an entire nation, they are being denied certain liberties. Again as i have emphasis denial and mistreatment isnt the same. For some reason ppl equate the two. Me denying one of my kids a toy and granting the other one a toy, isnt the same as me beating them, demoralizing them, dehumanizing them, stealing and inflicting emotion/physical pain unto them.
So let me ask you this when you asked your parents for something as a kid and they said no you felt as if they hated you mistreated you? Did it feel as if they treated you less than human?
Originally Posted by ninjahood
Originally Posted by SneakerPro
If you believe in the bible you have to believe in incest.
Da hilarious thing in this thread is certain lollipops advocatingDa broad acceptence of homosexuals will shun incest in da same breath.Sibling incest is more common this Fathers molesting their daughters (whichTragically happens periodically) so if u rockin wit with gays then if cousins, siblingsWanted to do marry and have kids ya wouldn't have a leg to stand on denyin em.
What the hell is being said here?Originally Posted by ninjahood
Originally Posted by SneakerPro
If you believe in the bible you have to believe in incest.
Da hilarious thing in this thread is certain lollipops advocatingDa broad acceptence of homosexuals will shun incest in da same breath.Sibling incest is more common this Fathers molesting their daughters (whichTragically happens periodically) so if u rockin wit with gays then if cousins, siblingsWanted to do marry and have kids ya wouldn't have a leg to stand on denyin em.
There are many people that try to put on the facade of disagreeing with it while still tolerating it yet still voting for legislation that restricts homosexual rights. That's when it becomes a big deal.Originally Posted by TomDiginson
I have to agree with op. I don't believe in homosexuality but It doesn't mean I cant be tolerant of it, but these days it is as if they are shoving it down peoples throats.
Originally Posted by LDJ
So you are saying if you went to a job and they said no we wont hire you cause your gay, is the same as we will force you to work beat you mistreat you and overwork you for absolutely no compensation?
Im later going to the bank to ask for an extention on a loan, and if they said no we cant do that because of your race. While yes ill feel some sort of way about it. but please believe ill rather take the simple rejection of no then me go and ask and they take a whip beat me, rape my lady and daughters, take everything i own, then chase me back to my car with german sheppards, and beat me with batons, and hit me with fire hoses.
According to your theory, if you asked out a girl, her saying no, is pretty much the same as if she beat you, robbed you, raped your moms, stole everything you had simply because the end results is the answer no.
And i would love to where homosexuals were slaves.
When were homosexuals treated like common livestock again?
what time period were homosexuals taken from their land, and their inventions resources, and technology stolen from them again.
And what govt agency was developed solely on stopping homosexuals for protesting equal rights again.
How many homosexuals were lynched, fed to gators, nailed and burned to a cross. How many pipe bombs have been tossed into gay clubs again? how many homosexuals have been assassinated for speaking out on their beliefs again?
How many homosexuals were sent to a war and were used like common placed lab rats and used as guinea pigs to see the effects of certain dieases and drugs amongst humans?
Last i checked all they had was ppl simply denying them marriage and a few other common rights other americans enjoy.
I mean the transatlantic homosexual trade must have slipped my mind.
I guess the homosexual version of Tuskegee experiments was overlooked by me as well as everyone else in the free world.
Must have miss the part where their were white/black/homosexual restaurants and other common places in society.
I guess the govt. agencies who created a task force solely to stop the advancement of homosexuals must have came and went before anyone could even make an account of it even existing.
So denial of jobs/not being able to get tax earned credits by being married under what the govt believes is marriage is in the same realm as slavery, segregation and all the other slew of vile actions.
Let me guess the homosexual plight is in the same realms as the holocaust to huh?
Infringing on the rights of others should not be tolerated in ANY form. So yes, they are on the same plight. Limiting the rights of people Maybe on the lines of the treatment of native americans.
For the most part homosexuals as a whole arent being mistreated by an entire nation, they are being denied certain liberties.
Again as i have emphasis denial and mistreatment isnt the same.
For some reason ppl equate the two.
Me denying one of my kids a toy and granting the other one a toy, isnt the same as me beating them, demoralizing them, dehumanizing them, stealing and inflicting emotion/physical pain unto them.
So let me ask you this when you asked your parents for something as a kid and they said no you felt as if they hated you mistreated you? Did it feel as if they treated you less than human?
bingo.Originally Posted by LDJ
Originally Posted by Boys Noize
Originally Posted by ninjahood
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest_in_popular_culture
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Deal-Sex-Problems-861/2010/2/Sibling-incest-normal-behaviour.htmwith all this material, where do you think all this inspiration comes from?
also back in roman, greek times especially within royalty where nepotism was rampant most of those cats were marrying their sisters or cousins...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest_in_folklore
so if you're cosigning homosexuality, then every single thing can apply to a incestuous relationship.
Hold up. You're telling me that because incest is a topic that comes up in works of writing (mostly fiction) and movies over the years... that THAT is the proof upon which you lay your claim that incest is common?
I'm not saying incest doesn't happen or didn't happen but I'm saying it's rare. In history, we know that incest happened often in royal families (trying to keep the bloodline "pure") but with what we know now about the consequences of incestuous sex, there is no way it's still common. If your best sources for it being common happen to be wiki links to "Incest in pop culture" and "Incest in folklore"...
There arent any consequences to incestuous sex. There are however consequences to procreation from incestuous sex. Whose to say that everyone wants kids. So really whats the difference in homosexual relationships and incest relationships? Are ppl saying that a 21 y/o man and a 21 y/o girl who happen to be cousins arent of competency to consent to loving one another and engaging in sex.
Its quite ironic actually the same arguements that ppl who are against homosexual relationships is being used by ppl who are for homosexual relationships against ppl who arent against incestuous relationships.
And if t is all about procreation answer this. What if a male cousin and uncle or a grandson and grandfather have a relationship. How is it any different then any other same sex relationship? Your whole procreation messed up kids arguement is out of the window now.
End of the day ppl think incest is wrong because they see it as nasty, gross, un ethical, immoral etc... Same way some view homosexuality. Its pretty hypocritical to defend one form of what society sees as abnormal relationships and be against another.
Wow, billboards of men kissing is homosexuality being forced upon you? Rough life, man.Originally Posted by throwback1718
All i will say is that i agree that if you oppose it, you are looked down on as some sort of ghoul. (especially here on NT)
I also agree that every where i go, or look, it seems that homosexuality is pretty much forced upon us. On the train i see big billboards of men kissing.
It almost seems as if they are saying "if you are uncomfortable with this, you have a problem and you are a person who hates gays"
Originally Posted by Deuce King
LDJ just nailed it. For anybody that wants to or even had the desire to even try to compare the homosexual movement with that of the civil rights movement make sure you read the post by LDJ above and then wipe that comparison or notion completely out of your head. For now and forever more.
Originally Posted by Deuce King
LDJ just nailed it. For anybody that wants to or even had the desire to even try to compare the homosexual movement with that of the civil rights movement make sure you read the post by LDJ above and then wipe that comparison or notion completely out of your head. For now and forever more.