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FINALLY!!!!!! been out of this thread since it dropped in the uk. took me three days to read through all these damn comments :x. Glad to see that most people in this thread loved the movie as much as I did. I never read comics growing but these last couple marvel movies got me into it. I love seeing these things brought to life and marvel is killing the superhero game. I cant wait to see Civil War I have no doubt its going to be dope.
 

I'll think about it some more, but I probably like it better than the 1st. It immediately addressed my initial problem with the first Avengers, that it took far too long to get interesting. I know they had to bring the team together, but it was just so slow until that happens. Meanwhile we're immediately thrown into the action and that was an improvement. 

On the other hand, the concept of "bigger and better than the original" was a problem for this sequel. The first one had the battle of NY and that was epic and huge in scale. But you can only see "A whole city gets destroyed" so many times until it loses it's luster. I know it makes sense for that to be the threat, but they need to find another angle because it's grown tiresome. They improved on the characters as well... Thor actually looked powerful, Hawkeye got some story, and so on. It's a lot of story to put in to one movie and it suffered sometimes. I didn't need the vibranium to be honest, it was "important" to the story of course, but it just showed me of "This will be important later.." same with the Infinity Stones and Thor's realization. Again, build to it, of course, but it feels yet again like it's a Marvel movie setting up future Marvel movies rather than standing on it's own. 

The Avengers was the culmination of the prior movies and you felt that conclusion. Here? We're still leaving the hints and set ups for future movies when it should have been more of a focus on this  movie, not the future ones. It's great we got a little explanation of the Infinity Stones, but I don't care about that as much right now... we'll have an entire two movies for that. Planting the seeds for things is one thing, like the continuing Cap and Iron Man split that's coming from Civil War, but I want to see Ultron and this  story.

With that in mind, it was still entertaining as hell, looked great despite using far too much CGI, gave us those hype inducing moments you'd expect, but the charm is starting to wear off. There was just too much crammed into one movie. Bigger isn't always better. Cut out some of the Thor vision quest thing, mostly because it wasn't developed or explained well enough. Cut out the vibranium bit. I liked the Hawkeye, Hulk/Black Widow plots so I don't want to touch those.. but you just needed more Ultron time. He could have been a bit more menacing too and maybe see some of this damage that didn't involve needing to level an entire city. 

I think Marvel had a slight misstep by throwing in too many hints and set-ups for future films. The rift between Cap and Iron Man is a great example of how you can hint to a future movie (Cap 3) without being so overt. It was done far more organically within the stories to show their differences and where it might lead. If you slim down those elements, you could focus more on this movie and the threat of Ultron, who I thought was done pretty well and Spader was excellent. 

Overall, I liked it a lot, it might crack my top 3 which is currently Iron Man, Cap 2, and GoTG in some order. I think it'll get a lot more replays than the 1st Avengers for me and while it doesn't capture the magic of the 1st one, it's slightly better if not equal for different reasons. 

And I forgot to mention how much I really did like Scarlett Witch. Besides Olsen looking incredible, I was legitimately excited when she busted out and started wrecking **** after Hawkeye gave his "You're an Avenger" speech.
 
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It’s hard to look ahead into the Marvel Cinematic Universe with the epicness of Avengers: Age of Ultron set to hit in just two short weeks. However, a rumor about next year’s Captain America: Civil War has raised some eyebrows. Reports imply that Brock Rumlow, played by Frank Grillo in the last Cap movie, could become even more important to the Civil War storyline than everyone previously thought.

WARNING: Potential SPOILERS ahead. Read on at your own peril.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Why-...ortant-Captain-America-3-Civil-War-70946.html

According to a roundup of new rumors from JoBlo, Brock Rumlow, who we met in last year’s spectacular Captain America: The Winter Soldier, will not only fulfill his comic book-inspired destiny of becoming the skull-visaged villain known as Crossbones, but it seems his actions may end up providing the inciting incident of the whole film. According to JoBlo’s sources, Crossbones will instigate a heinous attack of some kind that leads to a tumultuous turnabout, pitting the superheroes of the world against one another.

In Marvel’s Civil War crossover event series, the storyline was originally kicked off when a superhero team, The New Warriors, seriously botch a battle with an explosive supervillain that results in several blocks of Stamford, Connecticut getting completely decimated, leaving a casualty count of 600, including 60 schoolchildren. The event changed the views of many regarding the culpability of superheroes in their exploits. This prompted the government to implement the Superhuman Registration Act, which decreed that all superheroes must register their identities, an idea that divided members of the Marvel Universe along "pro" and "anti" lines. It was a highly regarded storyline filled with timely post-9/11 parallels.



Getting back to the upcoming Civil War film, the traditional setup is obviously off the table, seeing as The New Warriors don’t exist (yet) in the MCU. The latest rumor implies that Frank Grillo’s Brock Rumlow, who was left injured and burned at the end of The Winter Soldier, will reemerge in a "messier," "graffiti-esque" version of Crossbones' comic regalia, and instigate some yet-to-be-revealed devastating act of dickishness that will inspire the divisive political atmosphere the storyline. Of course, that angle would only supplement the generally-held belief that, should the film further follow the comic book storyline to its proper climax, then Crossbones will play a part in actually assassinating Captain America, unwittingly turning him into an anti-registration martyr. Having Crossbones serve as the story’s initial instigator would poetically cap off the importance of his role.

We’ve suspected for some time that Brock Rumlow would play a bigger part in the MCU. While the idea of the Civil War movie ending, like its comic counterpart, with a martyred Cap remains to be seen, the claim that Crossbones will provide a critical substitution for The New Warriors’ destructive mistake seems to be rumor with a grain of truth. Captain America: Civil War should nevertheless provide some devastating changes to the MCU when it registers its way into theaters on May 6, 2016.
 
Really enjoyed the movie. ultron was an ok villain. If I was Scarlett Witch, i'd still have stark in my crosshairs especially considering what happened at the end.

I would feel some kind of way if I was signing on to be part of the team in this movie and find out it'll only be for one movie. I know we joke that people don't really go away in these movies but is it pretty safe to say we won't see that character again?
 
shogun said:
Really enjoyed the movie. ultron was an ok villain. If I was Scarlett Witch, i'd still have stark in my crosshairs especially considering what happened at the end.

I would feel some kind of way if I was signing on to be part of the team in this movie and find out it'll only be for one movie. I know we joke that people don't really go away in these movies but is it pretty safe to say we won't see that character again?
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I keep reading that this is permanent. People complained about no one staying dead in a Marvel flick and now they are killing people. I wonder if this will become a trend in the MCU. You die, you stay dead.
 
#NTextremes

I wonder if Joss surfs these boards.

"I hate that people dont stay dead"
*kills off fan favorite after 40mins of screentime.*
 
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sunshineblotters said:
#NTextremes

I wonder if Joss surfs these boards.

"I hate that people dont stay dead"
*kills off fan favorite after 40mins of screentime.*
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:rollin well...

http://www.blastr.com/2015-5-4/joss...s-age-ultron-shocker-reveals-alternate-ending


Whedon is famous for killing our darlings, and he opened up during a fantastic podcast with Empire to explain exactly why Quicksilver had to die — and that there was a chance he could’ve actually survived. According to Whedon, they needed to prove the war had stakes, and the only way to do that is to have a real casualty. Admittedly, the last time he tried that they ended up bringing Coulson back for TV, but we see his point.



The even crazier part? Fearing Marvel brass could potentially overturn his decision, Whedon actually shot an alternate version where Quicksilver miraculously survives the 20+ bullet holes and joins Scarlet Witch, Vision and the rest of the gang in that final training shot with Cap. Check out the choice excerpt below:

"It’s disingenuous to make, as I refer to it, a war movie and say there is no price. In this movie we’re saying, 'prove to me that you guys are heroes.' And [Quicksilver] is the guy who is the least… the most arrogant, the most annoying — if you watch the DVD extras, an incredible ***** hound — and Hawkeye genuinely hates him and that’s the guy who saves him. I knew that it would be resonant and it would make everything work and matter more…

I said, 'The only thing that would keep you alive is if the Disney executives say, 'Idiot, it’s a franchise and we need all these people and you’re not allowed to kill them.' … We did actually shoot him in the last scene, in an outfit with his sister. And we did shoot him waking up from his, 'Ahh! I didn’t really die from these 47 bullet wounds!' but the intent was always that we were going to earn this and then you have to stand by it."
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Also more BTS things

http://geektyrant.com/news/heres-wh...on-battled-over-during-avengers-age-of-ultron

Marvel Studios is insanely successful, but not every project the studio has produced has been smooth sailing. Patty Jenkins was kicked off of Thor: The Dark World due to creative differences, and Edgar Wright famously left Ant-Man shortly before production began on that film because he was unhappy with what the studio did to his script. Even Avengers: Age of Ultron experienced its share of bumps along the road to theaters. Writer/director Joss Whedon has been pretty open about the disagreements he had working with the studio, but now that everyone has had the chance to see his film, Empire sat down with him for a full-on spoiler discussion (via The Playlist) and he revealed a ton of information about what he wanted in the movie, what might show up on the eventual home video release, what he fought with the studio about, and more.

(SPOILERS AHEAD.)

There's one aspect of Quicksilver we didn't get to see in the final movie: according to Whedon, Aaron Taylor-Johnson's version of the speedster is "an incredible ***** hound."

“It’s disingenuous to make, as I refer to it, a war movie and say there is no price. In this movie we’re saying, ‘prove to me that you guys are heroes.' And [Quicksilver] is the guy who is the least… the most arrogant, the most annoying — if you watch the DVD extras, an incredible ***** hound — and Hawkeye genuinely hates him and that’s the guy who saves him. I knew that it would be resonant and it would make everything work and matter more.”
Sounds like we'll see Quicksilver mackin' on some ladies in the eventual home video release. Whedon also mentioned he shot an alternate ending in which the hero survived, but that was always intended as a backup in case the Disney execs decided at the last minute that they wanted him to live. The death was planned from the beginning, and Whedon intended to keep him dead after bringing back Coulson on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. after seemingly killing him off in The Avengers.

Moving on, Whedon also wanted Captain Marvel and Spider-Man to appear in the final lineup of the New Avengers at the end of the film, but that obviously didn't end up happening:

“I wanted all those people, but I said, ‘It would be great if we could add a few more [characters], if we could have a Captain Marvel there, now that you’ve made a deal,’ and they talked about it...And I was like, ‘And Spider-Man, we could do that too, cause Sony had approached us during the first movie about a little integration. So I would have put both of [those characters] in, but neither of the deals were made.
[Later the studio told me] ‘We’re making a Captain Marvel movie and we’ve got ‘Spider-Man’ as a property,’ and I’m like, ‘I’ve already locked my film you *******! Thanks for nothing.”
Sounds like there was a communication breakdown, or at the very least just some really bad timing on that one. Fans would have gone crazy if Spider-Man and Captain Marvel showed up in this film, and it's sort of sad to think that Whedon would have made it happen if only a few pieces of paper were signed a little earlier. Oh well.

And finally, one of the biggest things the filmmaker clashed with the studio about were the Hawkeye farmhouse sequences and the dream sequences that Scarlet Witch creates for the heroes.

“The dreams were not an executive favorite either. The dreams, the farmhouse, these were the things I fought to keep...With the cave [sequence with Thor and Erik Selvig], it really turned into: they pointed a gun to the farm’s head. They said, ‘give us the cave or we’ll take out the farm.’”
It's surprising to hear this level of honesty about behind-the-scenes creative battles with a movie still in theaters, because normally information like this wouldn't come out until months after a big studio release had made all of its money at the box office. But it's obvious that Whedon doesn't really give a crap about working with Marvel again, so he's telling it like it is right from the start, which is admirable. I'm a little bit shocked that the studio (presumably Kevin Feige, as the President of Marvel Studios) wouldn't want to include the Hawkeye farmhouse sequence, since I thought those were some of the best moments of the entire movie. It humanized Hawkeye, gave our heroes a chance to rest and come up with a new plan, and also provided a nice spot for Iron Man and Captain America to churn up some disagreements that will likely come to a head in Civil War.

Check out more by listening to the full interview with Empire at the link above. Avengers: Age of Ultron is in theaters right now
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layziegunts said:
Rogers dies,, bucky becomes new cap. Everyone knows that
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Honestly since the film was announced as Civil War this is what i've been assuming would happen around midway through the film, and would therefore be what snaps everyone back to their senses, leading them to rally together again.

EDIT: I also haven't forgotten about Ant-Man. I just don't care about it that much.
 
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I don't know what kind of hound Joss is referring to. Never heard of any term like that.

Still a little surprised not everyone wanted to hit stark in the jaw. They had time to relax and he messes that up.

You guys think there will be a Bucky goes to the barber scene in the future? Maybe he should rock a ponytail.
 
nawghtyhare said:
U know what I just thought about
So was ultron a part of thanos plan
Because he was like fine I'll do it myself
Like ultron and that gem was his idea or plan in order to get it
Also did they ever say what strucker didn't want found in his computer
I remember he wanted to throw them off of something
Like he wasn't trippin off the other files but a particular file he DIDNT want found
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