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I wonder what they plan to do with Emily Van Camp.
almost forgot my BAE was in cap 2.
I'm assuming with Revenge over, she'll head over to Agents of Shield. If they decide to give Daisy her own show or separate the show at all she's bound to be in one of those I hope.
(i'd take her as Captain Marvel if it wasn't too late)
 
Master Zik said:
I don't remember which but there's a CBR interview, marvel.com interview, I think a comics alliance interview.

Al Ewing (the writer) has also made some posts to members on that board in the Ultimates thread on the cbr forums.
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CBR and comic allaince were the two I read. I've tried searching for the on you referred to but couldn't find it. Every comment I read about futures plans for Galactus by him were very secretive. Let me know if you remember where it was.

Tdogg2k said:
Back to MCU ('ll keep f4 talk for the Fox marvel thread)

I wonder what they plan to do with Emily Van Camp.
almost forgot my BAE was in cap 2.
I'm assuming with Revenge over, she'll head over to Agents of Shield. If they decide to give Daisy her own show or separate the show at all she's bound to be in one of those I hope.
(i'd take her as Captain Marvel if it wasn't too late)
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Pretty sure she is confirmed for Civil War. Not sure about after that. I hope to see her again elsewhere too. I've loved her since Everwood, if anyone else used to watch that show. Also never would of though we'd get such a huge Star(lord), from her brother on there.

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If they make money, they aren't going to care. F4 looks like it might just break even but internationally, we are not sure how well it will be received.

I think they are looking at the bigger picture with the crossover though (although they claim the two are of different universe but that can be fixed). DoFP is their biggest bow office hit yet at ~$750m worldwide and the crossover with a big baddie could break that even if the film is mediocre in quality.
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Yeah they are still projected to open #1 this weekend even with the horrible reviews but probably see a large drop in weeks to come.
 
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I've been watching the Avengers earth's mightiest heroes show on netflix. I'm on season two
 
I'm going to post this in both here and Marvel
but very interesting about license and who can use what. What has happened

very long but good read


Sorry I hate to be "that guy", but I gotta make a correction to your correction.

WARNING: If you don't care about Marvel movie rights, look away.this is going to take a while... I know this isn't strictly Funko related, but it will hopefully try and explain the licensing problems!

Believe it or not this whole situation was a hell of a lot more confusing 5 years ago as licenses were handed out like candy in the 90's, but recently most of these have reverted to Marvel. Short story is Marvel was on the brink of bankruptcy and sold movie rights to Universal, Fox and Artisan for some much needed cash (Artisan being a tiny company with a fat wallet off the back of the success of the Blair Witch project).

Over the years they sold lots of movie license to lots of studios. Contrary to popular belief Fox didn't own tons of rights and they were spread all over the shop. Here is a quick history of all the licenses that were dished out:

Republic Pictures made a Captain America film in 1944, but this doesn't really count as Marvel wasn't even known as Marvel then! (they were Timley Comics)
Constantin Film had Fantastic Four (interesting story, they made an entire film and just before release Avi Arad purchased all copies and prints and had them destroyed as it was so bad!)
Universal had Hulk and Namor (back to them later) and had Howard the Duck
Fox had X-Men, Fantastic Four (shared with Constantin), Daredevil and Elektra
Artisan Entertainment had Captain America, Black Panther, Deadpool, Iron Fist, Morbius, Longshot, Power Pack, Mort the Dead Teenager, Ant-Man, Punisher and Man-Thing
New Line Cinema had Blade, Iron Man and Deadpool (purchased from Artisan)
Lionsgate had Black Widow, Punisher , Iron-Fist and Man-Thing (all inherited the purchase of Artisan, I will come back to Man-Thing in a minute)
Columbia had Black Panther (from Artisan)
Sony had Spider-Man, Thor, Ghost Rider (in conjunction with Crystal Sky) and Luke Cage
Dimension had Warewolf By Night and Dr. Strange
Paramount had Deathlok

Sony still have Spider-Man, Fox have X-Men, Fantastic Four & Deadpool (purchased from New Line). Constantin Film still technically own the rights to Fantastic Four and co-produced and distributed the first 2 films, and is still involved with the reboot.

Lots of the above nearly went into production, Black Panther was going to be a spy film with Wesley Snipes and Ray Park was signed on to do Iron Fist. The above mostly reverted back to Marvel due to the lack of films surrounding the characters, except for Luke Cage which is believed to have been purchased back, and there are still some hangers on (more on that later). Fox tried to retain the rights to Daredevil too, but Marvel refused an extension. Once they were purchased by Disney in 2009, they were obviously keen to start making films and set about regaining as many licenses as they could, including any distribution rights. There is an infographic by the Geek Twins that does a good job of explaining the current state at a glance, but doesn't tell the whole story. Below is a list of the currently active licenses at other studios:

Sony
Sony still own all of the movie rights to Spider-Man, nothing has changed on that front. What Marvel have done is make a deal with them that allows them to use the characters in their movies, and exercise some creative control over the Sony movies in the sense they cannot do anything that conflicts the MCU storyline. Sony wholly own the movie rights and no money has exchanged hands. Marvel make no money from Sony's films, and the reverse is true for MCU films that contain spider man. There is potential for bonuses to be issues based on box office milestones, but these are tokenry. The other unknown is the extent of the deal and the characters it covers, it is entierly possible it limits Marvel to only using the Spider-Man character, and not any of the supporting cast, but at this point is all specualtion and probably subject to change. The only fact we know is that Marvel can use Spider-Man, this is not confimation that Norman Osbourne or Venom are going to start butting heads with Iron Man, and equally any Marvel charatcer outside of Sony's license will only appear in Sony's film when allowed on a case by case basis by Marvel (for example Iron man is rumored to appear in the Spider-Man standalone film).

Fox
The above explanation of Fox's situation is largely correct, but it is an incredibly complicated subject. They own the movie rights entirely for the X-Men and Fantastic Four franchises. Unfortunately this causes more confusion than it clears up given how mixed up the Marvel comic universe is, and how the phrases "X-Men" and "Fantastic Four" actually define very little. The contents of the deal between Marvel and Fox have never been disclosed so no-one outside those companies knows what it covers, there is a common assumption that first appearance in the comics determines the franchise but this is totally incorrect. Here are a few points to show just how unclear it is:

Ulysses Klaue (Klaw), the Kree and Ronan the Accuser, and Black Panther all debuted in Fantastic Four comics but belong to Marvel Studios
Rogue debuted in Avengers, Wolverine in Incredible Hulk, Mystique in Ms. Marvel, Sabretooth in Iron Fist, Viper in Captain America and Silver Samurai in Daredevil, all have been used in Fox's X-Men films. Equally Kang is primarily an Avengers bad guy, but movie rights belong to Fox
Ultimately the original deal probably wasn't as clear as it needed to be as no one at the time expected Marvel to start making it's own films, but I imagine there is either
a) a list of characters the license covers and ones that were not explicitly mentioned live in a grey area (a la Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver; mutants, who aren't actually mutants any more, who are primarily Avengers, also appear in major X-Men stories e.t.c)
b) Characters are not defined and everytime they want to make a film there is an argument between studios.
I imagine it is the former. A lot of people have decided that Marvel can;t use the term 'mutant' and have cited Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D show runner Maurissa Tancharoen for proof, but it is far more likley that Marvel have decided simply to not use the word (and subsequently ban it from the TV show) due to the fact that they can't use any of the characters. Despite the constant chatter that it is not allowed due to licensing, it is far more likely it is simply banned for creative reasons. It is known that other deals did list characters which saved them from other licenses by 'first appearance' rule, for example Kingpin was a Spider-Man villain but was packaged as part of the Daredevil license which recently reverted back to Marvel.

Universal
Namor is very confusing to define as he has been a part of every team under the sun... except that Universal own the rights to him specifically, but what is not clear is if they own the rights to supporting characters such as Namora and Namorita. Marvel have stated that while Universal can't actually make movies with him in anymore (presumably because the license expired), they can't either and are working on getting it back. Universal still own first refusal on the distribution rights for the Hulk, and did distribute the Edward Norton Hulk film (and got a nice chunk of change in the process). This is possibly why no other solo Hulk films have been produced.

Lionsgate
While Black widow and Punisher have clearly reverted to Marvel, Man-Thing is still a bit of a grey area. Until recently it was believed that Lionsgate still had the license, but they haven't made a film with him in since 2005 and also he has been mentioned in the MCU (both by Ellen Brandt in Iron Man 3 and Maria Hill in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D) so it is possible those rights are with Marvel.

Paramount
Worth a footnote, Paramount distributed Iron Man 1 & 2, Thor and Captain America: The First Avenger, and owned the distribution rights to the Avengers and Iron Man 3 but sold these back to Disney.

The above only goes to show how big of a mess things are, and highlights how the current licenses are still unclear. For example Miles Morales, a character created in 2011 couldn't be used by Marvel, but cannot have been included in the license with Sony as it was created in 1999. It throws doubt on characters like Adam Warlock, who debuted in Fantastic Four, and there are rumors that the Chithari were used in the Avengers instead of the Skrulls due to licensing, but the same was thought of the Kree until they turned up in Guardians of the Galaxy. The ninjas in 'The Wolverine' were likley to be 'The hand', but they wern't called that due to the fact that license went back to Marvel with Daredevil. It also highlights how studios can hang on to licenses (like Constantin) without actually doing anything for decades.

Needless to say, it's a bit of a mess.

TL;DR Marvel sold everything to everyone back in the 90's and since being bought by Disney is slowly clawing everything back. Fox and Sony are the only other studios that can produce films with Marvel characters in (barring possibly Lionsgate with Man-Thing), but who owns the rights to what characters is somewhat of a mystery, and neither Sony, Fox or Marvel are telling.
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-Key notes
-first appearances didn't count to who gets what
-Namor is still owned by Universal, only problem is a lot of his characters are owned by Marvel.
- Miles spider man is in Limbo because the deal was created in 99' but miles was created in 2011
- Guardians of the Galaxy may end up changing a lot of what gets used in what
 
Tdogg2k said:
-Key notes
-first appearances didn't count to who gets what
-Namor is still owned by Universal, only problem is a lot of his characters are owned by Marvel.
- Miles spider man is in Limbo because the deal was created in 99' but miles was created in 2011
- Guardians of the Galaxy may end up changing a lot of what gets used in what
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I don't think Guardians will "change" anything of what can be used. It will just answer questions about the rights/deals that the studios don't always publicly tell us. Kree/Skrull weren't used in Avengers because they have too much of a history in marvel from them to just show up as some throwaway alien race at end of a movie. Marvel can use both races, but there are limitations to what they can do, such as the limitations Fox/Marvel can do/say about Quicksilver/SW in their movies.


sunshineblotters said:
I'm guessing that's old? Could've sworn Feige said the right to Namur were back at Disney
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I think universal has distribution rights for solo films or something like that. I'm not sure, like he said its vague on exact details, assume will be more clear by time phase 4 announcements come around.


This is mostly accurate* I believe:
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* It just is vague with things like alien races, specific villains, even though they put the "everything else" in middle of Marvel.
 
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I knew the first appearance thing didn't really mean anything because IIRC Kang's first appearance is in an Avengers comic and I think the Inhumans were introduced through F4 comics

Unrelated but does anyone else think Spider-Man will end up with the traditional MCU title treatment for sequels? Like instead of Marvel's Spider-Man 2 it'll be Spider-Man: Kraven's Last Hunt or w/e
 
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RUMOR: "CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR" SIDES REVEALED


Just judging by the title, we know that 2016's "Captain America: Civil War" will feature all of Marvel's good guys aligning themselves with opposing ideologies spearheaded by Captain America and Iron Man. While we know that a lot of characters have been confirmed for the film, quite possibly more superheroes than have ever appeared in one Marvel Studios film before, we haven't yet learned which heroes will align with Cap and which will side with Iron Man.

Heroic Hollywood, citing an unnamed source close to the production, claims to know the lineups of each Avenger's "Civil War" team, and -- if it is true -- it has some big surprises on it. While this is still firmly a rumor and not official, we're still putting up spoiler alerts for those that don't even want to see conjecture about the film's plot.


According to HH's source, Captain America will be fighting alongside Hawkeye, Falcon, Scarlet Witch, Ant-Man and the Winter Soldier. Iron Man, meanwhile, will count the Vision, Spider-Man, Black Widow and War Machine on his side. Black Panther is absent from both lists as it's already been made clear by Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige that he will play a neutral role in "Civil War."

Some of this information lines up with what has already been revealed. From the post-credits scene in "Ant-Man," we already know that Falcon and Ant-Man are on Cap's side and that they have Winter Soldier in custody. Jeremy Renner was spotted just a few weeks ago wearing a "Team Captain America" hat, which looks like may have actually been accurate.

Iron Man's team is more surprising. Vision, Black Widow and War Machine were all part of Cap's new Avengers squad at the end of "Avengers: Age of Ultron," so this implies that they've all turned against him. Black Widow's inclusion on the team is even more surprising considering how closely she worked with Steve Rogers in "Captain America: The Winter Soldier."

Most likely we'll learn more about the sides as official trailers and footage start making their way online towards the end of this year and in early 2016. "Captain America: The Winter Soldier" opens on May 6, 2016.
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If true :hat Cap about to take that L
 
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Iron Man's team got the slider turned on 99 :rollin

who will defect? Thinking Vision will jump teams to be with his girl

Fingers lowkey crossed BW is being Cap's double agent and switches last minute too
 
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TWS better do work in that movie. Do what the villains did in im3 and make stark fight you without his suits.
 
Scarlet witch is automatic OD. How dare yall sleep. And if they give antman the giant power like ha k pym... dont sleep

TEAM CAPTAIN
 
Kevin Bacon for Norman... srs

He just worked with Watts on Cop Car and seems to love him. Heard him gush about dude's direction earlier today and seems like he really wants to work with him again.

edit: he doesn't really seem to interested in goin back into Superhero films :lol did mention that GoTG was amazing though
 
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Also lets not front. You know Black Panther gonna end up aligning with Tony just to kill Bucky.
 
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9 picture deal is the ultimate elixir :lol

Bucky isn't going anywhere. I think BP's neutral stance just means he's going to be giving everyone the hands
 
Silverbackhoney said:
Master Zik said:
Also lets not front. You know Black Panther gonna end up aligning with Tony just to kill Bucky.
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Why? Klaw not Bucky
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You gotta keep up with the rumors of who kills who man 8o
RobinVanDamn said:
9 picture deal is the ultimate elixir :lol

Bucky isn't going anywhere. I think BP's neutral stance just means he's going to be giving everyone the hands
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I didn't mean he'd actually kill him but he'll side with Tony to do that when it gets to the climax.

Just looking at the group it's 6 vs. 5 and yeah Vision probably could take out all the normal humans but then it'd be too unfair.
 
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You know one of those guys will cross over to the winning team by the end of the movie. Either vision or BP. Cap will take a W even with the odds stacked against him
 
Spiderman will switch sides or at least remain neutral toward the end.

But what about the "Hulks"...
 
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I dont think anyone's gonna win. theyre all gonna make up and be 1 big happy superhero family by the end of the film :D
 
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