Wasn't New York City More Grimey In The 80s & 90s In Constrast To Now

[ksteezy]

Fam if I pay Westvhester taxes, I'm from westchester and good luck with low income families being forced into this part of NY...there is no rent control here, most buildings are coop or condo apartments, those who rent, rent from private owners and not city owned apartments with an average 1bedroom apt going for 1100-1400$...WEstchester won't be affected one bit by the gentrification of city neighborhoods....the burbs of westchester, BEEN unaffordable long ago.

 

[ksteezy]

Yeah Hoboken midas well be Williamsburg.

I'd take Hoboken tho...lol

 

[henz0]

I'm happy people got off the trying to be a tough guy wave.. But on the other hand, it became cool to be weird..

Hey, at least the violence has stopped a little bit so whatever

 

[mrdozo]

NY native here, born and raised in both queens & manhattan. NYC is the most expensive city in the USA (google it, its a fact). The american dream is a dream a lot of americans no longer achieve. The gap between the haves and have nots, the upper class and lower class grow while the middle class become one of the other 2 groups.

NYC will soon be a city for the rich. Rents and mortgages are getting higher. Demand > supply in regards to land in nyc.

The majority of people moving in to manhattan and now brooklyn, are people from out of state, and a fair amount are from over seas.

 

[knowledgebones72]

I'm happy people got off the trying to be a tough guy wave.. But on the other hand, it became cool to be weird..

Hey, at least the violence has stopped a little bit so whatever

I feel the same way.

It's funny though because that's like the #1 complaint that Black dudes between 30 and 45 have about younger Black people.

More and more young Blacks are going to college and not having to pretend to be some tough street dude even if they're from the city, and more and more young Blacks are growing up in the 'burbs, but this DMX-era of Black dude just wants to label everyone as soft and homersexual.

All this talk about the feminization of the Black man just strikes me as Papoose lashing out at Kendrick.

Especially when there's def not more gay Black dudes than there have been in the past or anything like that.

But this is a whole other argument for another thread.

 

[krazy88s]

It's almost an exodus right now in the tri-state area. People from all 3 states are being priced out it seems. And this makes me sad.

 

[mrdoeboi]

I'll wait till the new mayor comes into office and gets 2 terms under his belt to see how the city turns out. As of now certain neighborhoods are the same and will be hard to change even if it's gentrified.

 

[king milaac]

There is never going to be a "perfect" scenario. Crime infested neighborhoods where there is no regard for safety but you have that great latin/black restaurant/club....OR.....Hipsters and youngsters move in and the culture moves out. 

At the end of the day whenever real estate is desirable and has potential and opportunity people will flock. 

I am from the Bay Area and grew up middle class, far from rich but never poor. The mission in SF has been completely gentrified. As an objective middle class person, I appreciate the gentrified mission far more than the ghetto dump it use to be.

Are hipsters annoying? Definitely. But I can tolerate annoying. I can't tolerate going to an area where I don't feel safe. 

Hipsters > Drug dealers/Drug Addicts/Prostituion + culture. If the real estate is amazing, I'd rather have annoying hipsters inhabit it than criminals. This is coming from an objective opinion from someone living in the burbs. 

 

[7thave btn 31stn33rd st]

Hipsters > Drug dealers/Drug Addicts/Prostituion + culture. If the real estate is amazing, I'd rather have annoying hipsters inhabit it than criminals. This is coming from an objective opinion from someone living in the burbs.

Some people in this thread arent trying to hear that.

 

[dexterwiggle]

All this talk about the feminization of the Black man just strikes me as Papoose lashing out at Kendrick.

 

sorry but this is too true and shouldn't be ignored...no tough guy here either.  Im sorry but pushing the idea of big 6'4 260 lbs black men in tight thigh length shorts not masculine at all......im not talkin pre 1990's basketball shorts either

 

[rell826]

My mom grew up in Hoboken and she says it's completely different.

It's not completely priced out YET

But in the next 5/10 years I expect it to be.

Going to happen sooner than that. Five years is the MAX time because Hoboken is a lot smaller than NYC. You already see the effects when you get off the PATH train.

NY native here, born and raised in both queens & manhattan. NYC is the most expensive city in the USA (google it, its a fact). The american dream is a dream a lot of americans no longer achieve. The gap between the haves and have nots, the upper class and lower class grow while the middle class become one of the other 2 groups.

NYC will soon be a city for the rich. Rents and mortgages are getting higher. Demand > supply in regards to land in nyc.

The majority of people moving in to manhattan and now brooklyn, are people from out of state, and a fair amount are from over seas.

The city won't be able to sustain itself when the middle class is priced out. We're the ones that keep the city afloat. In addition to seeing if crime spikes under the next mayoral administration, the middle class having a place in NYC will be part of their legacy. The pricing out of the middle class will be what Bloomberg is remembered for in addition to his illegal third term and nanny policies.

With as bad as it is getting in NYC, moving to Jersey will be a pipe dream in a few years because of how rapid the change is there.

 

[knowledgebones72]

All this talk about the feminization of the Black man just strikes me as Papoose lashing out at Kendrick.


 

sorry but this is too true and shouldn't be ignored...no tough guy here either.  Im sorry but pushing the idea of big 6'4 260 lbs black men in tight thigh length shorts not masculine at all......im not talkin pre 1990's basketball shorts either

but is that really the average black dude nowadays?

and was the average black dude during the 80's-90's better at being a strong black man?

I DO feel that the crack epidemic completely destroyed the idea of Black masculinity, though.

But that's more because of the fact that the strong Black father basically disappeared from our minds.

To the point where you see a well to do Black family on television and people tried to say it was "inauthentic".

 

[krazy88s]

With as bad as it is getting in NYC, moving to Jersey will be a pipe dream in a few years because of how rapid the change is there.

Change as in gentrification type stuff?

 

[rell826]

Yeah. Hoboken is already too expensive. They charge NYC like rent. Jersey City will probably be like that soon. Damn sure not moving to Newark.

 

[frshstunna]

So much to respond to in this thread

Overall, almost no city is as bad as it was in the early 1990s with few exceptions (those being Detroit, St. Louis, East St. Louis, Gary, Camden, Baltimore, New Orleans, etc.). This has been the result of a number of factors, including the economic rebound of the 1990s, the stabilization of drug markets after the early 1990s, general regression to the mean, etc.

Baltimore is nowhere close to being as bad is it was in the 90's..this is a common misconception..

 

[mrdozo]

forget jersey, look towards staten island. There you'll get the most bang for your buck. One of the few places in nyc where you can still buy land, literally acres. Us in the other 4 boroughs pay sky high rent to live like sardines. I can hear my neighbors tv and phone calls. i hate that crap.

 

[dexterwiggle]

Jersey, upstate (westchesterk, rockland, putnam), long island and the southern part of CT are all considered the burbs.

But NYC in the 70s/80s/early 90s was grimy on a whole other level

Arson in the bronx where in certain neighborhoods 97% of buildings were burned down to collect insurance money, http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/why_the_bronx_burned_hvgkCrLVekbXBGohd6GFUO

In the late 80s/90s 150,000 cars were stolen in NYC every year, http://www.nytimes.com/1993/03/02/opinion/new-york-car-theft-capital-of-the-world.html

On average there were over 7 homicides per day throughout the whole year, along with over half a million felony crimes per year.








Thats what gave birth to hip hop and all of its elements, but most other cities were going through similar times during that era, just not on as large of a scale as in NYC

lived around allllllll of that as a little kid (E. Tremont/Southern Blvd) luckily i lived in a good bldg (at the time) with a doorman.  Never really phased me how bad it was until i got a lot older....dudes were really wildin in broad day out there...miss the grim a little no lie...cant front i wish some of these little corny dudes could be dropped in these settings for like 3 years.....always had a dude coming back from spafford with the stories....kept me shook lol

 

[clarkchaz1988]

I got shot in the arm back in 99 , in the soundview projects after a party idk how the shots began ,but me & my friends heard agruing , the next minutes bullets flying from all angles , it was pure chaos , i was so drunk i didn't even notice i got shot until one of my friends noticed i was bleeding & two people got murdered that night including a friend I went to elementary school with smh

soundview was wild back then , I visited over there a couple months ago , still your average project but it's way different than how it used to be

I just heard about how soundview projects on the biography channel with the story on pistol peete. 

 

[krazy88s]

Just hope all this high price small space stuff stays in NYC and Hoboken areas. Dont spread to central NJ and all of northern NJ plz

 

[rell826]

forget jersey, look towards staten island. There you'll get the most bang for your buck. One of the few places in nyc where you can still buy land, literally acres. Us in the other 4 boroughs pay sky high rent to live like sardines. I can hear my neighbors tv and phone calls. i hate that crap.

Jersey is closer than Staten Island. Its anywhere from 10-25 minutes on the PATH compared to the Ferry. Its too far removed from everything.

 

[dexterwiggle]

but is that really the average black dude nowadays?   ---   not really but too much for my liking and yes i have moved on from 3xl shirts and 40 waist jeans lol

and was the average black dude during the 80's-90's better at being a strong black man?      ---       better? maybe not but the perception made it seem like it was.....there definitely was more pride tho misdirected (grew up around 5%'s and wannabe muslims)

I DO feel that the crack epidemic completely destroyed the idea of Black masculinity, though. ---  NAh dudes just lost their friggin minds man, to me from first hand experiences the women took the biggest hit...

But that's more because of the fact that the strong Black father basically disappeared from our minds.   ---  True!!!

To the point where you see a well to do Black family on television and people tried to say it was "inauthentic".

 

[frshstunna]

Bruh I work in Baltimore. I'm there everyday.

That is one GARBAGE city.

It's so cheap to live there, yet no one wants to live there.

Half the city is boarded up.

Baltimore needs to get gentrified.

I feel guilty walking around during the day for just having a job. People out there just seem like they gave up or they're just incredibly mad at the world.

Monument street SUCKS. That market is the saddest and most uncomfortable thing place ever.

Only place I would want to live is around North Chalres street. And it's full of hipsters and college students so that kinda proves the whole gentrification point.

Baltimore is not the war zone that some of yall make it out to be, you probly one them scared *** ******...we got good and bad parts like any other city, the only thing is the bad parts are really bad and the good parts is either right next to it or out the way from where the tourists go...the main reason there isnt gentrification like other cities is because of how the city is set up....you can live in the county and have the same access to stuff you would have if you bought up one of them vacants and renovated it...plus you know why ppl moved out of the city in the first place, they not trying to be living next to the same ppl they ran away from

 

[knowledgebones72]

Bruh I was just walking around the hospital a few minutes ago.

I'm fine with being a scared *** *****, bruh.

What I wouldn't want to be is one of the thousands of people walking around broad day looking like zombies.

I was in Georgetown over the weekend, and i just kept thinking to myself "damn hanging out in DC only makes me think about how bad off Baltimore is."

I wasn't in the hood in Baltimore, but every third person outside is HELLA sketchy.

 

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[krazy88s]

Just hope all this high price small space stuff stays in NYC and Hoboken areas. Dont spread to central NJ and all of northern NJ plz

Central I doubt it.

Northern though it's a wrap.

Anything on thy NY Border / Hudson River is gonna go up.

I'm hoping in the next 2-3 years I'm ready to buy a condo out here for the low and after that point it's just gonna appreciate

Yeah, the edge of NJ like Weehakwen, JC etc I know is gonna go up. Just don't wanna see it move inward.