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Conversely...I hear people saying the Chiefs O-Line is why Mahomes didn't play well. But if they did play well and the Chiefs win...that LT isn't getting a SB MVP
Tom Brady is the Greatest Athlete of All-Time
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Conversely...I hear people saying the Chiefs O-Line is why Mahomes didn't play well. But if they did play well and the Chiefs win...that LT isn't getting a SB MVP
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One of the most accomplished athletes without a doubt. Just wouldn’t classify him as the “greatest”.
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Tom Brady being "athletic"
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Tom Brady is certainly an athlete but I agree with your premise that being an NFL quarterback is much different than being an NBA player, track and field athlete or runner. It's particularly important when we talk about longevity. In my opinion, it's more impressive that LeBron is still the best player in the NBA in year 18 then Tom Brady winning a Super Bowl in year 20. Basketball is a much more fast twitch, hyper athletic sport where guys play offense and defense.
Not to knock Brady but playing QB in your 40s is more akin to an MLB pitcher playing into their 40s. It's uncommon but not completely unheard of.
Conversely...I hear people saying the Chiefs O-Line is why Mahomes didn't play well. But if they did play well and the Chiefs win...that LT isn't getting a SB MVP
It's a team sport. It's no different than Patriots fans complaining about their lack of pass catchers for years. None of those guys would have won MVP but you can't win a big game without them.
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Yeah man this is silly 
Sports debates always have to be all or nothing for some people
Sports debates always have to be all or nothing for some people
Easily the best Resume of all time
Not the best player/QB of all time.
If that makes sense.
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's man.We gotta get your man a capture device. He can't be out here recording his TV with his phone in 2021.
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We gotta get your man a capture device. He can't be out here recording his TV with his phone in 2021.
I seen the post...and didn’t bother to read
. This ***** is terrible. I already know whatever he saying, is complete nonsense.
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This thread is pure comedy. There is no way in hell Tom Brady is the greatest athlete of all time. He's not even top 20
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Yeah unlike LeBron in 2011, Tom and Mike never choked in a Finals/Super Bowl (including the 3 that Tom lost, he played lights-out against the Eagles).
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Last two chips his defenses held the other team to 0 touchdowns but you’d think he’s out there by himself The way the game is marketed has caused people to completely lose the concept of team sports.
Few years ago the Giants got to him over & over again with a 4 man rush and that video game offense was ground to a complete halt just like the Chiefs last night. Was Tom any less great?
He gets all the respect in the world for staying elite longer but the hyperbole isn’t needed.
The way the game is marketed has caused people to completely lose the concept of team sports.Few years ago the Giants got to him over & over again with a 4 man rush and that video game offense was ground to a complete halt just like the Chiefs last night. Was Tom any less great?
He gets all the respect in the world for staying elite longer but the hyperbole isn’t needed.
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It's better to not make the Finals, than make the finals and lose. #JordanLogic. Apparently losing in the first three rounds aren't blemishes on your record, only losing in the Finals/Super Bowl.
It's better for Giannis to lose in the Eastern conference playoffs than make the Finals because a final loss is a blemish on his record in losing in the second round isn't.
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What about the ones where he won and he played like crap?
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Still can’t think of one superstar (including Tom) in a team sport who has played as poorly as LeBron did in 2011 (relative to expectations, obviously).. I don’t think I’ve EVER seen an athlete as big as LeBron is/was choke in a Finals/championship game/series like that. Steph in 2016 might be the only contender for that spot tbh
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I'm just going to go ahead and assume you're trolling or you're very young.
1. Look at Tom Brady stat line in Super Bowl 53, fortunately for him his defense only came up three points
2. Kobe (my all-time favorite athlete) shot 6 for 24 in game 7 of the 2010 finals. Look at Kobe's entire finals series against the Pistons in 2004, he played awful
3. Magic Johnson choked so badly in the 1984 finals that people called him "Tragic" Johnson for an entire year after that.
4. Peyton Manning won MVP in 2013, through 55 touchdown passes and got blown out by 35 in the Super Bowl against the Seahawks, The broncos only scored eight points that game.
I can do this all day but it's obvious you don't really know that much about sports history, recent or into the past lol
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I think you misunderstood my point-I’m not arguing Kobe wasn’t good in Game 7 in 2010 (Sidenote: is this a point Kobe stans are trying to make nowadays?).
My point is LeBron’s expectations were sky high in 2011 as he was in his prime with a big 3 and were *HEAVILY* favored to win that series. (Source: https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/31/2198658/nba-finals-2011-odds-miami-heat-dallas-mavericks) Since you know so much about sports and I “don’t really know that much”, can you explain why 2011 prime LeBron’s performance wasn’t as bad as these other examples?
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I never said LeBron didn't play up to his own lofty standards. Even he admits he didn't play well in that series but to say "I can't think of another situation" is ridiculous. All of those situations are equally bad. All of those players were in their prime or coming off MVP seasons. I can think of a dozen situations where MVP level superstars didn't play well in their prime. It happens
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Source on the odds in those series compared to Miami vs Dallas in 2011? Stats showed Seattle and Denver were near equal odds in the SB IIRC because of how good Seattle’s defense was.
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So you've shifted the goal post from talking about the poor performance to now talking about odds going into the series
. I'm done with this conversation, have a good day.
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So you've shifted the goal post from talking about the poor performance to now talking about odds going into the series
Both things can be true (better team AND player who choked-hence why I pointed out Steph in 2016) but go ahead and stop responding and show us all how you can’t defend your points-no need to further “add” to the discussion here
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tom won in TB at 43
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mike couldn't even get to the playoffs with the wiz
no debate at all
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I have Serena Williams ahead of him, especially since she gave birth, almost died, then won again.
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I think someone else posted it in this thread but the gap between Serena and the second best women's tennis player is the largest in any sport between the best and second best players.
Wayne Gretzky also has a huge gap over the second best hockey player.
With Brady, at least there's a debate. There is no debate with Williams and Gretzky
