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[ThePeoplesChamp_]

This team got the bad karma from bowlcut

 

[HNL HI]

This team got the bad karma from bowlcut

good

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

This isn't how I'd want our last years in Oakland to be, regardless of how I feel about the move.

 

[Deleted member 185039]

The ship has already sailed folks we can't do anything to change that

 

[HNL HI]

actually the owner is ready to sail but the ship is gonna be docked in Oakland for another 3 years...

 

[sohi 23]

It's not that bad guys really

They still have a shot at the playoffs. The chances for home games in january may be gone but the season is just getting started.

Only 4 teams in the AFC currently have a better record.

They can beat the Ravens/Chargers without Carr. Put your faith in EJ.

 

[monstar]

The division is gonna be won by kc barring some big injuries. Coop having trouble getting open against elite backs smh it's early in the year tho 2-2 ain't bad but our wins don't even look that good now. We have yet to beat a team with a winning record this year.

 

[laker4lifeman]

Nobody is going to have one this year other than the Chiefs

 

[raider5]

One week at a time, fellas.

If the line plays better and gives EJ some time, we'll be alright...

 

[laker4lifeman]

Some positives are Conley seems good to go this week and defense seems to be improving.

 

[raider5]

Still pissed at Cook for that dropped TD (x2)

 

[laker4lifeman]

Worst thing is he was scared of the big hit and I think he still got hit in the head

 

[njavier03]

considering we only gave up 16 points without Conley or Amerson is pretty big. our defense has definitely improved since last year. yes, we still give up a big play here and there, but overall we've improved. our offense was firing on all cylinders against the Jets. then, we got sniped. idk wtf is going on, but we should be an even better offense than last year, but we look hella predictable. the ONLY reason why i blame Downing, is bc he's the only real difference from last year. we have the same OL, upgraded at WR and RB, so what's the issue? either Carr is still nervous after the injury or its the play calling. our OL is weak now too, even though we haven't lost anyone.

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

Raiders Film Room: Looking at the offensive issues and identifying potential solutions

Ted Nguyen
3 hours ago

There has been a lot of criticism of the Raiders expensive offensive line for their performance the last couple of weeks. The linemen were just physically manhandled by Washington on Sunday Night Football and the Raiders only rushed for 24 yards against the Broncos last Sunday.

Denver has the No. 1 rushing defense in the NFL through the season's first month — a huge jump for a group that was 28th against the run last year — but the Raiders are supposed to be one of the most physical running teams in the NFL. So what happened?

Coach Jack Del Rio said, “Maybe (the Broncos) beat us on the scheme. Maybe they had a better call against that scheme. All different factors add up. I know we have big, powerful guys up front. We’ve got backs that are all very capable.”

After reviewing the film, the offensive line actually got a decent push throughout the game but were constantly outnumbered in the box. You might get away with being outnumbered against average to below average defenses, but not against a stacked defense like the Broncos. On top of that, the defense was able to run blitz and fly downhill because of the disappearance of the Raiders' play-action game.

First play of the game
The seemingly simple solution for the Raiders to get the running game going is to line up under center and try to run the ball downhill. Offensive coordinator Todd Downing wanted to establish a physical tone on the first snap of the game by doing just that. Unfortunately, the defense was well aware and loaded the box.

The offense has seven blockers (five offensive lineman, two tight ends) against the Broncos eight defenders. The run concept is “DUO” and the most important block is the double-team between center Rodney Hudson and guard Kelechi Osemele on nose tackle Domata Peko (No. 94) to middle linebacker Brandon Marshall (No. 54). Peko has been a force so far in the season, but Hudson and Osemele knock him back, which allows Osemele to leave and get to Marshall.

They execute the double-team perfectly and tight end Lee Smith gets a pancake on a blitzing Todd Davis (No. 51). Though Smith executes the block, Davis' aggressive play causes Lynch to have to move laterally, which buys enough time for strong safety Darian Stewart (No. 26), who is unaccounted for, to wrap Lynch's legs to stuff the run.

On first downs, if defenses are keying on the Raiders' personnel in the huddle and whether or not they are under center to load the box and aggressively play the run, Downing has to take advantage of this and call a play-action pass to soften up the defense. You often hear that you have to run to set up the pass, but against aggressive defenses you have to do the opposite.

The next time the Raiders got under center was again on first down. The Broncos might have had a formation blitz (auto-blitz based on formation) called for any under-center formations because Davis blitzed again.

The Raiders are again outnumbered in the box — six blockers (five lineman, one fullback) to seven defenders in the box. The offensive line doesn't dominate the front but did enough to at least get an efficient run, but Davis once again disrupts the play with his aggression and it goes nowhere.

Fourth-and-1
In another obvious running situation, the Broncos loaded the box again. The Raiders came out in 13 personnel (one back, three tight ends), but the Broncos responded with nine in the box. However, the extra defender wasn't the reason the play didn't work.

The offensive line actually gets a great push, but tight end Clive Walford allowed too much penetration. Walford has a tough block to make on a defensive end that is inside of him, but he gets pushed back and that doesn't allow Lynch to cut towards the space that the line creates inside. One has to wonder why Smith and Walford aren't switched on this play since Smith is a much better blocker than Walford is.

Although it might have been gutsy, fourth-and-1 would have been a perfect time for play action. The defense declared blitz pre-snap, and with how close the linebackers were to the line of scrimmage, a couple of those tight ends would have been wide open if they went out for a play-action pass.

Counter
The Raiders coaches upstairs likely saw the defensive players lined up over the tight ends were aggressively knifing inside because they actually ran a really well-designed counter out of the formation play on the following drive.

The offense gets exactly what it wants because the defenders to the tight end side knife inside, which give the tight ends easy down blocks. Hudson is usually a great puller but here he pulls too wide. He should have led up into the hole sooner. Instead, Lynch has to wait for him and actually shoves him out of the way. Lynch still manages to get four yards, but if Hudson made that block earlier, this play might have went for a touchdown.

Play action
Last week, the Buffalo Bills gashed the Denver defense with play action and boot plays while only averaging 2.3 yards per carry. The Raiders only attempted one play-action pass against the Broncos.

With five minutes left in the third quarter, Downing called the first play action of the game. He did it on first down against a loaded box — a perfect call. However, the execution was off. Carr was looking to go for the big play rather than taking what the defense gave him.

The Raiders run a boot to the right and the defense completely bites on the play-action fake. Cooper is running a double move to the right of the formation with cornerback Aqib Talib guarding him man-to-man. Talib has been known to get aggressive on early downs and jump short routes so this wasn't a bad call.

However, Carr waited too long for Cooper to uncover. When Talib sat back while Cooper was making a stutter, Carr should have gone to his checkdown right away. He had Cook wide open in the flat, who had room to run if he was thrown the ball. Instead, Carr stayed on the read for way too long and got sacked and of course, that's the play on which he suffered a fracture in his back.

“Kill” call
Aside from the injury, when Carr sees the film, he'll see how wide open his receivers were on the play. Over the next few weeks, Downing can make it a much bigger part of the offense for EJ Manuel and continue to expand it when Carr comes back.

It could be beneficial for the Raiders to install a “kill” call system for their under center package. Downing would call two plays — the primary could be a run and the secondary could be a play-action pass. If the quarterback sees a loaded box, he could “kill” the primary run by yelling “kill” or any verbal signal to execute the play-action pass instead.

Positives
If you ask Downing about his performance in the past couple of weeks, I'm sure even he would tell you there were a lot things he should have done differently. There are too many parts of the playbook and Raiders personnel that haven't been utilized. However, it is important to remember that Downing put together two brilliant game plans to start the season. He was a hot offensive coordinator candidate for a reason and flashed some clever play design with the long touchdown to Johnny Holton.

The Raiders are in a 2 x 2 formation with Cook and Holton to the right. The Broncos are in a quarters defense. In quarters, the cornerback will jump any outside breaking route at or under 10 yards by the inside receiver, and that is exactly what happens as Cook runs a 10-yard out. This leaves the safety to match up with Holton, who has a significant speed advantage. Holton's inside release causes the safety to pedal inside leaving even more room for the corner route.

Carr ensures the cornerback will bite on the out with a pump fake and then lofts a perfectly thrown ball to Holton and he goes untouched all the way into the end zone.

Conclusion
Del Rio knew it was a gamble letting go of Bill Musgrave, who is experienced and led the No. 6 Raiders offense last year. Downing has never been an offensive coordinator or playcaller at any level of football, but he's flashed the potential to be a really good one. The question is if Downing will learn fast enough on the job to get the offense on the level it needs to be to compete for a championship.

 

[HNL HI]

hopefully that article gets unlocked, need to see the clips too

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

We should see Crabtree practicing this week, right?

 

[ThePeoplesChamp_]

Raiders are gonna be here until 2021 lol.

 

[HNL HI]

We should see Crabtree practicing this week, right?

hopefully, Conley too.

 

[ThePeoplesChamp_]

#PutTheCarrInManuel

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

Raiders are gonna be here until 2021 lol.

Maybe they forget to move and stay.

 

[ThePeoplesChamp_]

Paperwork for Las Vegas Raiders stadium construction delayed


https://www.reviewjournal.com/busin...s-vegas-raiders-stadium-construction-delayed/



(If Raiders have to rebuild while moving to LV would be pretty funny to me)



I love this team and I had a blast being a part of the organization. I hate how they are moving away.

Go Raiders

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

The longer this negotiation goes the longer scrutiny can build over the deal...........................

 

[raider5]

I know this scenario is like being down at the 1 yard line with 2 seconds on the clock: what are the chances Vegas gets botched?

Not trying to be insensitive to the Vegas situation, but that shooting will affect tourism in some capacity (probably more short term than long term), and NFL seeing how the Chargers are being treated in LA, hell even the Rams are having a tough time selling tickets (at least from an outsiders perspective).

Add all that up to the Coliseum site becoming vacant soon too. Plus Mark asking for even more on top of the free $750M.

I know the NFL is counting on hotels on buying tickets, whether they go to the game or not they don't care - just like Levi. I'm rambling.

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

I think what's more likely is that the public discussion grows over how taxpayer money is utilized and the people take it to the politicians. And frankly they should: there is no reason that public money should be spent without input from said public.

 

[HNL HI]

seems like the NFL really wants it so it will happen.


not sure if there's any precedent about a team committing to another city and then backing out.