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Originally Posted by Boys Noize
Nah, the article is awful because all it's doing is pointing out AI's downfall without much/any kind of insight or opinion as to why or how society should view AIs example. He starts off saying AI hit the pitfall many lottery winners have. Okay. There's one line where he mentions how foolish it was for him to financially support his entourage but he just leaves it at that. The rest of it is just drivel about how this writer looked up to AI because he was "nonconformist" while getting paid millions of dollars to play professional basketball. Get out of here with thatOriginally Posted by airmaxpenny1
I think your missing the point of the article. The writer isnt making AI out to the holocaust or anything butAI's own problems were the symptoms of a greater societal issues.Originally Posted by Boys Noize
What an awfully written articleAI is no tragedy.
As Blackmag said, AI never grew up because he never had anyone to teach him how to grow up and be a man.I can't feel sorry for someone who can blow all of that away with poor decisions regardless of their background. Him not knowing that supporting your twenty friends from back in the day, buying all that jewelry, multiple sports cars, and mansions would lead to financial ruin in the long run is no reason to feel sorry for a guy. I loved AI as a basketball player but this article is trying to paint a sympathetic picture and I personally feel it's reaching hard. Not every star that falls from grace is someone worth feeling sorry for.
No, he was a hero because kids wanted to be like him. That is not be saying that what he was doing was positive.Originally Posted by Trelvis Tha Thrilla
Well when you call someone a HERO that usually comes with a positive connotation...Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican
I swear some of you dudes don't read. Who said he was a good role model?Originally Posted by Mez 0ne
If AI was a good role model than god bless our youth.
Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican
Originally Posted by StillIn729
He's a hero to young black kids? Ummm
Of course he was a hero.
AI isn't on Ali's level but he became the poster child for Hip-Hop's influence on sports, the too wealthy, too rich, too ghetto caricature that came to turn many white consumers for the NBA, while still becoming a cultural icon across the world. While he wasn't a political figure or came anywhere close to reaching Ali's zenith in importance, AI importance in the post-Joran era as a figure cannot be understated.Originally Posted by psk2310
Whoa whoa whoa. Let's not put Ali & ai in the same sentence. Ali transcended sports.
What doesn't make him a hero in your opinion? Is it cause you choose to disregard the positive things that can be taken from him? You making it sound like AI was out there on some hitler *!*%, in the sense of a perfect being out there saving lives no he wasn't a hero. But for those who looked up to him there was more than enough good qualities in his character to remove focus from the negative. Anyone who's magnified will be viewed as flawed, AI defined what a hero is, there's a reason kids looked up to him aside from the negative which is what your making it seem.Originally Posted by Trelvis Tha Thrilla
Well when you call someone a HERO that usually comes with a positive connotation...Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican
I swear some of you dudes don't read. Who said he was a good role model?Originally Posted by Mez 0ne
If AI was a good role model than god bless our youth.
Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican
Originally Posted by StillIn729
He's a hero to young black kids? Ummm
Of course he was a hero.
summed it up.Originally Posted by Animal Thug1539
Iverson and his height...
Real talk though, I grew up admiring Ivey - posters in my room, the sock on my arm, tons of basketball cards.
Never in my life back than; would've guess everything would have transpired this way. Unbelievable given the fact that single handily took over the NBA for a good amount of time.
If you grew up in the hood playing ball, you looked up to A.I. From his story of making it to the league after catching those cases, to taking the Sixers to the Finals, to his downfall with the Pistons and Memphis...
..+#+% is sad in retrospect.
Originally Posted by Wade187
Man, AI wasn't the best role model, and to be honest had he grown up he could've been a much better ball player, and person. But one thing you can't deny is that the man was a icon, not just because of his skills on the court. He stood for something, weather you see it as negative or not is up to you, but his soul, and heart made him who he is. Even now at rock bottom, and even though in our eyes he never grew up, he stood by his beliefs and ultimately was a man about his. Yeah a lot of players come from nothing, but AI as selfish as he seemed lived for his people (which is why he is at rock bottom), his people took advantage, but for 15 years not only was he living right, but he can really say all his people were too. These people all came from nothing, he brought them out of the hell of poverty and changed all their life. He's simply a hood dude, and that comes with a lot of bad traits, but too often everyone ignores his good ones. In a place where it's easier to fall into the negative than the positive, he made a decent person out of his self. When he made it out he stayed true to himself, and his people. Simply a man who is who he is, and stands by what he believes. Weather they be right or wrong, you can't deny that's admirable. In a world today, where all these dudes is out here pretending for entertainment purposes, molding themselves to appeal to the masses, AI is missed. Nobodies real anymore, there's no personality, everything is tainted to acquire the proper "image". I appreciate him for what he was, flaws and all.
For you to put Allen Iverson and Muhammad Ali in the same sentence in any fashion, is completely disrespectful to Ali, the people who raised you, and quite honestly, yourself.Originally Posted by airmaxpenny1
Originally Posted by Boys Noize
Nah, the article is awful because all it's doing is pointing out AI's downfall without much/any kind of insight or opinion as to why or how society should view AIs example. He starts off saying AI hit the pitfall many lottery winners have. Okay. There's one line where he mentions how foolish it was for him to financially support his entourage but he just leaves it at that. The rest of it is just drivel about how this writer looked up to AI because he was "nonconformist" while getting paid millions of dollars to play professional basketball. Get out of here with thatOriginally Posted by airmaxpenny1
I think your missing the point of the article. The writer isnt making AI out to the holocaust or anything butAI's own problems were the symptoms of a greater societal issues.
As Blackmag said, AI never grew up because he never had anyone to teach him how to grow up and be a man.I can't feel sorry for someone who can blow all of that away with poor decisions regardless of their background. Him not knowing that supporting your twenty friends from back in the day, buying all that jewelry, multiple sports cars, and mansions would lead to financial ruin in the long run is no reason to feel sorry for a guy. I loved AI as a basketball player but this article is trying to paint a sympathetic picture and I personally feel it's reaching hard. Not every star that falls from grace is someone worth feeling sorry for.
Those "twenty friends" are the only people who ever had his back and were his family, no father, drug addict mother in a miserable, old industry city in the U.S. I don't think the article is sympathetic, it lays it out how it is. As he says, no one really gives a @%** that AI is gone now and that's his own fault. Allen Iverson was completely ill-equipped to handle the responsibility of fame in his life because he spent his entire youth training himself to survive in a different America than the one we are discussing.
AI at the end of the day was the most disvisive sports figure since Ali, someone who defined his era and was larger than life. All the article is saying is that's its sad he could never figure out how to make the leap as a person and transform his "rebelliousness," and "counter-culture" attitude into something more meaningful or constructive.
That's how he ran his business, and it worked.Originally Posted by blakep267
people loved and felt sorry for steve jobs, when by all accounts he was a douche and not very nice.Originally Posted by jsmooth504
Originally Posted by MoonMan818
Hard to feel sorry for such an arrogant man.
Same.
That serious huhOriginally Posted by MoonMan818
For you to put Allen Iverson and Muhammad Ali in the same sentence in any fashion, is completely disrespectful to Ali, the people who raised you, and quite honestly, yourself.Originally Posted by airmaxpenny1
Originally Posted by Boys Noize
Those "twenty friends" are the only people who ever had his back and were his family, no father, drug addict mother in a miserable, old industry city in the U.S. I don't think the article is sympathetic, it lays it out how it is. As he says, no one really gives a @%** that AI is gone now and that's his own fault. Allen Iverson was completely ill-equipped to handle the responsibility of fame in his life because he spent his entire youth training himself to survive in a different America than the one we are discussing.
AI at the end of the day was the most disvisive sports figure since Ali, someone who defined his era and was larger than life. All the article is saying is that's its sad he could never figure out how to make the leap as a person and transform his "rebelliousness," and "counter-culture" attitude into something more meaningful or constructive.