The Official NBA Season Thread: NBA Cup Night

[osh kosh bosh]

Everybody talks about Kobe’s defense but don’t talk about the 08 finals

Wait, who talks about Kobe's defense?

 

[moderndarwin]

Steph so inspirational. wow. new documentary so so so so good. Gonna chuck up so many tres at drop in gym next week.

 

[youngthundercat]

The Lie

East side P is outta control

 

[kix2mny]

Steph so inspirational. wow. new documentary so so so so good. Gonna chuck up so many tres at drop in gym next week.

I saw it pop up. I’ll give it a watch.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Lol @ calling him "Irving"

 

[Arthur Shelby]

 

[atlsfinest]

 

[king j]

If Jokic and Gianni’s over KD then that’s 2 more people I can add to my list of 11 over Steph.

This agenda to tear down KD to push up Steph is NASTY.

He did it to himself,there’s no agenda to tear him down.He AINT top 10 or 11

 

[moe200069]

Wouldn’t have thought it was possible a few years back, but Draymond has become almost as annoying off the court as he is when he’s playing.

dray’s quickly become one of the most unbearable parts of the “new media.” man is smart as hell but can say and do the dumbest ****

 

[moe200069]

KD > steph debates??

we getting washed king’d today.. imma go watch this boring *** horse racing instead

 

[lawdog1]

I can’t call the Dubs or Suns contenders yet.

I guess the Suns have a championship roster on paper, but I have to see what it all looks like in action before I give them a contender label.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Kobe wasn’t top 10 before he passed so I don’t know how he is now.

Steph ain’t better than Kobe.

And that’s ok.

Open and shut case.

Yeah to you he wasn't, you a lifelong Kobe hater. A lot of this thread is too.

None of y'all can really name 10 that's better.

 

[king j]

Kobe is solidly in the top 10 easy

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Back to back FMVP’s, win more than 1 championship as the number #1 option.

At no point in his career has Steph looked like he could be the best basketball player in the league. KD has.

Peak KD > Peak Steph.

We can't do that though. Shaq probably has the second highest peak years but he's not top 5.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

I've actually warmed to Kobe as time has gone one and, i was probably too harsh on him when he was playing.

but his death and the general popularity of personality / playstyle has exaggerated his legacy to a crazy degree.


there is no reasonable argument that he's a top 5 player of all time.
let alone the GOAT.

it's absurd on its face.

This is BS. All these young stars was calling Kobe their Goat during his farewell tour and he was mentoring a lot of dudes. Just say y'all didn't like him. Y'all was mad watching him bust your teams and winning those chips and can't let it go.

Like @tyisny said, it's still a lot of Kobe PTSD around here.

Now y'all using the 2pac/Biggie hater talk. "Well because he passed away"...

 

[pdino]

People forget Kobe was an elite defender. The Ariza/Kobe and Artest/Kobe backcourts were putting the clamps on. Rings/championships are #1 stat, and everything else a tier below after that.

 

[pmatic]

Think Kobe is in the 8-12 range, but his accomplishments on the surface level to warrant top five status.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

People forget Kobe was an elite defender. The Ariza/Kobe and Artest/Kobe backcourts were putting the clamps on. Rings/championships are #1 stat, and everything else a tier below after that.

For years NT was saying Kobe wasn't that good of a defender and he made 10 all defensive 1st teams just because. 10 of 'em.

 

[dman14]

 

[freeze]

Time is a flat circle.

You ain't see Mike or Kobe or Steph doing this fan it ****.


#notmygoat
#youafan
#midaswhalecallhimdaddy

 

[WASHED KING]

We can't do that though. Shaq probably has the second highest peak years but he's not top 5.

No one said he was but he’s for sure top 10.

Steph ain top 10 neither is KD and KD’s peak is higher than Steph’s.

KD at his best is arguable 1 of the 2 best players in the world. Steph at his best is still not in that ball park. The 3 point shot has now reached a point of being overvalued.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

People forget Kobe was an elite defender. The Ariza/Kobe and Artest/Kobe backcourts were putting the clamps on. Rings/championships are #1 stat, and everything else a tier below after that.

He definitely wasn't for at least 60% of his career

Good on ball, meh to bad off ball, tried less as he got older.

 

[WASHED KING]

Steph isn’t a good enough defender to be top 10.

And that’s ok.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

No one said he was but he’s for sure top 10.

Steph ain top 10 neither is KD and KD’s peak is higher than Steph’s.

KD at his best is arguable 1 of the 2 best players in the world. Steph at his best is still not in that ball park. The 3 point shot has now reached a point of being overvalued.

I'm starting to think we judging KD off what he's capable of and not what he's actually doing. When was the last time KD was at his best? In GS right with 3 other hofers?

 

[moderndarwin]

Kobe was a great on ball defender and great off ball help defender.

What he was atrocious as he got older was the non glorious parts of defense and he’d absolutely die on screens and not fight through them and once he cheated to try and make an off ball play he was so lazy to get back to his man.

I get it tho he’s like that old guy that feels he does enough out there that he doesn’t need to do that grind house work anymore.