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i feel like ive entered a time machine, and its 2004 basketball internet discourse
where points was the only metric we used to judge basketball.
you must have thought Kevin Martin was a top 10 player.
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i feel like ive entered a time machine, and its 2004 basketball internet discourse
where points was the only metric we used to judge basketball.
you must have thought Kevin Martin was a top 10 player.
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EVERY YEAR.Weren't the Raptors a minus on the court when DeRozan was playing for them? Like every year.
He literally was never impactful. he compiled points.
and journalist glazed him for it.
and they acted like we needed to apologize for trading him FOR A MUCH BETTER PLAYER.
its nasty.
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Kyle Lowry is probably closer to the same tier as Kyrie as people would like to believe
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like I said, if you want to live your own personal reality where you can be the goat of a franchise off of 70 load managed games and one playoff run.
that's fine. but there rest of will live in reality where this isn't the case.
no other franchise operates that way. so expecting the raptors to is silly.
Kawhi is more of a coattail rider that Kyle.
he is a malcontent who is unreliable, never healthy, and provides zero leadership.
he needs an extremely strong existing leadership structure, and someone to pick him up when he inevitably comes up gimpy.
he got that with spurs, and with the raptors. outside of that his teams have always fallen apart.
luckily he was able to ride Kyles coattails to a second championship, without his career would be looked at as a gigantic disappointment.
Trying to flip the script on me is very nasty work.
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Trying to flip the script on me is very nasty work.
OMG points per game???. DEVASTATING RETORT.
incredible analysis, how will recover.
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We’re talking about one of the most historic playoff performances in the HISTORY of basketball.
i feel like ive entered a time machine, and its 2004 basketball internet discourse
where points was the only metric we used to judge basketball.
you must have thought Kevin Martin was a top 10 player.
Your single year comparison of Kevin Martin is insignificant.
Basketball points are determined by points, not charges taken.
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kyle lowry steals the ball, leads the break, and then holds gannis so he can't jump to block Kawhi at the rim.
This play is 90% Kyle, but the only points were scored by Kawhi.
Kawhi got to ride Kyles coattails all the way to a dunk.
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you guys are getting Osh'd like crazy today. This one jumped the shark
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What has he won post raptor career? His game is practically the same.
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he's at least became a good efficient player who contributes to winning basketball games.
he wasn't that with the Raptors.
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Kyle Lowry fans often resort to intangibles because the stats don’t reflect his supposed “greatness”.
We have different opinions. You can even say I have an unpopular one. But I’ve provided numbers to back up my case.
If you Kyle Lowry is your goat because he’s a dirty player and takes charges then have at it.
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Big Raptors Legacy Thread probably still has a while to go, huh?
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oh i have numbers, they are just slightly more complicated than "yay points"
Kyle Lowry and Kawhi were pretty close in terms of on court impact stats in 2019. Yes Kawhi is a better player, but the margin is just way way smaller than people realize.
it's just not the case that Kawhi carried a bunch of bums to a ring. Kyle was a pretty close number 2, and played way more for the raptors.
that makes you the GOAT raptor.
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Demar is 100% getting his jersey retired by the raptors when its all said and done.
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Only caught the ending of the Warriors/Rockets last night. Rockets still there yet but at least they mounted a comeback.
Kuminga showed out in OT.
Kuminga showed out in OT.
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He plays hard man. Def a fan of Sochan. Playing him at point helped him see the floor better as a cutter too.
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This is going to be a long year
