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Either way this series is going 7 games..6 at the least.
The Official NBA Finals Thread: Game 7 - Cleveland Cavaliers are your 2016 NBA Champions
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Nah. It's not going to be that close.
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Bron took them to 6 by himself u think adding Love/Kyrie makes them worse?
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Yes, definitely defensively, combined with the Warriors being better than last year yes.
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And Channing Frye at the 5 :x
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this is precisely why lebron wont guard steph. and why would he? its a matchup that would just hurt the team.
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Depends how they play. Last year they were largely successfully trying to bull the Warriors with Thompson and Mozgov down low and slowed it down a ton. Adding Love and Kyrie won't make much of a difference if it means they speed it up and play the type of game that makes the Warriors comfortable.
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In most cases no, but in this case arguably so.
Love and to a lesser extent Kyrie can't defend. They're going to be taking up minutes of players that could be out there defending. The reason why the Cavs won 2 games last year was because of defense, not just Lebron necessarily.
Then you factor in someone like Frye who has to play too, it's just hard for me to believe they'll be good enough defensivley to make this a series.
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the cavs run different because theyve been trying to play like golden state. theyve been launchingnearly 30 3s a game (but were not a jump shooting team) and were only pounding the paint against the raps cuz they couldnt stop it. i dont like the odds of you taking someone elses play style, and then beating/outdoing them with it. theyll have to come up with something different, or GSW would have to have a repeat of last year where klay disappears for the entire series.
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The Warriors run a million screens on and off the ball literally every single possession to incite confusion & chaos. OKC's guards & wings did an AMAZING job of staying in Steph/Klay's jersey & fighting around those screens & not allowing GSW to force one of the Thunder's big to switch onto to Klay & Steph. They were very disciplined 99% of the time.
But that 1%. Steph's 3rd quarter eruption in G2 happened largely because Kerr kept running all kinds of screen action for him: curls,pindowns, pnr. Russ//KD weren't fighting over the screens & just handed Steph off to Ibaka/Adams and they couldn't keep up. Steph's now has tons of space & hit every single three in that stretch to blow it open.
When you just switch everything against this team that's what happens.
Then in G7, Steph & Klay went 8-8 for 23 points on Adams, 6/6 from 3. Surgical. 14 of the Warriors 17 threes came on Ibaka, Adams, & Kanter. On all of those 14 you'll see Russ/Roberson/KD either getting caught up on a screen, forcing the switch or just lazily passing Klay/Steph to the big.
Kyrie & JR are gonna get a lot of mins and I just don't think they're gonna consistently do the dirty work & bump grab shove & fight over these screens. I certainly trust them less than Roberson & Westbrook.
CLE's best lineup is probably gonna be Kyrie/Delly/Shump/Bron/TT, but you can't run that for the whole 48. Frye, JR, Love are gonna get mins too & I don't trust them defensively. Moz gave them great mins last year but he looks like a shell of himself.
You also saw Enes Kanter get his mins substantially reduced in this series because he couldn't keep up with what GSW was doing in the halfcourt. He was awful in any situation involving a screen & Donovan couldn't trust him.
I think Kevin Love will suffer the same fate. Lue has already shown that he isn't afraid to bench him for an entire 4th quarter & I think he'll restrict Love's mins even further in this series.
But then Frye isn't any better so what you'll have is Bron/TT getting 40+ mins & exhausted as the series goes on.
All that to say Warriors in 5.
Do you just take all this from sb nation?
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Can't really compare this year's finals to last year's too much.
It took until the Warriors were against the ropes to go small exclusively and make the Cavs bigs pay for their defensive deficiencies.
This time around Warriors are going to do it from the jump.
All these upgrades to make the Cavs shoot better from 3 but it's a travesty they didn't attempt to shore up their defensive deficiencies.
It's just lucky for the Cavs that they haven't encountered anyone in the east who can attack that weak point in their defense.
It took until the Warriors were against the ropes to go small exclusively and make the Cavs bigs pay for their defensive deficiencies.
This time around Warriors are going to do it from the jump.
All these upgrades to make the Cavs shoot better from 3 but it's a travesty they didn't attempt to shore up their defensive deficiencies.
It's just lucky for the Cavs that they haven't encountered anyone in the east who can attack that weak point in their defense.
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You're gonna keep making excuses for his failures.
Stages of Denial in the Finals for Cavs Fans...
Stage 1: LeBron gonna make mince meat out of the Dubs. He has a better team. Myrie over Curry all day!!! All he does is shoot threes!!! Can he dunk bro???
Stage 2 (after first loss): It's okay, Warriors did what they were supposed to do. We got this going home.
Stage 3 (Dubs up 3-1 or 3-2): Warriors haven't seen Game 6 Lebron just you watch!!!!!
Stage 4 (Dubs win series): Kyrie and Love suck. LeBron needs more help.
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All I know is if the Cavs lose and everyone starts complaining about how Lebron doesn't have help like the Heat I'm going to go crazy.
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Wouldn't that make the cavs dogs?
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At the end, it's always 'LeBron needs more help'
Aint going to be no different here.
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Cleveland had a better chance last year with kyrie and love out, GS at times struggled with the defense Cleveland put out there. Now you have love kyrie and Frye trying to defend the #1 offense in the league. You can't get into a shootout with GSW. This one only goes 5 games, GSW.
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Well, people figure since he's the best person on the team, he should guard Steph
But I seen somebody mention him guarding Steph that's why I commented on it.
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If I could rep you a 1000 times I would. I just drives me nuts. Not to mention Lebron basically hand picked this team.At the end, it's always 'LeBron needs more help'
Aint going to be no different here.
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Dubs are the favorites for game 1 -5.5 and the series -210.
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Sat for a legit 30 mins thinking how the Cavs can win this series........
I think Lebron gotta play point-center and ball screen with Stephs man about 500x a game.
Delly, Kyrie, JR, Shumpert, Bron lineup of "death"
I think Lebron gotta play point-center and ball screen with Stephs man about 500x a game.
Delly, Kyrie, JR, Shumpert, Bron lineup of "death"
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I don't think LeBron should guard Steph exclusively but I think if Cavs go small which I think should happen to give them a chance, then LeBron will end up being the one doing a lot of switching onto Curry.
They got no other choice. You don't want Frye or Love switching on Curry
They got no other choice. You don't want Frye or Love switching on Curry
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People actually said this
HBO preseason NFL show: " You gotta make chicken ish (your team) look like chicken salad
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Lebby cannot keep up with stephen. Feet too slow. It would be really embarassing
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Yes, you're right. I just looked into it. Sorry, I don't gamble, so I'm not totally familiar with bet lines in sports.
I've been saying this exact point last year. The reason why that series went 6 games is because of the defense brought by Delly and TT. The Cavs would've had the same fate if Love and Kyrie were out there, because they'd let the Warriors go off on the offensive end.
We all forget how poor of a series Klay had and Curry basically being contained by Delly.
True..
Sat for a legit 30 mins thinking how the Cavs can win this series........
I think Lebron gotta play point-center and ball screen with Stephs man about 500x a game.
Delly, Kyrie, JR, Shumpert, Bron lineup of "death"
Interesting point.
What concerns me about that line is the volatility of JR and Shump. But it does address the issue of guarding GS backcourt. Delly and Shump will have to take that responsibility, and the entire team would have to play incredible help defense.
I just don't see it happening on the defense end. Who ever JR is guarding will go into a screen roll action and it'll be a wrap at that point. Hell, same would be said with Kyrie.
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They tried Bron at the 5 last yr for stints and that didn't go over well..
Best lineup for the Cavs Dell, Kyrie, Jr Bron TT
Best lineup for the Cavs Dell, Kyrie, Jr Bron TT
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