The MMA Thread: DON'T ASK 4 STREAMS & NO GIFS- Cannonier, Imavov, Reyes, Rosas on NOW

[spiderjericho]

 

[Cashflow]

Joanna Challenger looked like she was starving literally and figuratively

 

[shogun]

joanna's takedown defense is still too good for carla.

 

[spiderjericho]

 

[steevoo1]

Sucks for Kev man. One thing you can't deny him is shying away from tough fights. Charles in Brazil, (undefeated at the time)Gillespie in NY, wanted Islam in Russia before Islam fought Moises, was calling for Khabib before he was champ.

Listening to the interview, I didn't know Kev has the same manager as Francis. Guy who used to work with the UFC and who Dana and co don't like. Seems like the firing was some sideways bs.

Francis hasn't even signed his championship contract. The title fight is his last fight on the current one. If he loses against Gane I wouldn't be surprised if they cut ties with him too.

 

[spiderjericho]

 

[spiderjericho]

Sucks for Kev man. One thing you can't deny him is shying away from tough fights. Charles in Brazil, (undefeated at the time)Gillespie in NY, wanted Islam in Russia before Islam fought Moises, was calling for Khabib before he was champ.

Listening to the interview, I didn't know Kev has the same manager as Francis. Guy who used to work with the UFC and who Dana and co don't like. Seems like the firing was some sideways bs.

Francis hasn't even signed his championship contract. The title fight is his last fight on the current one. If he loses against Gane I wouldn't be surprised if they cut ties with him too.

Operating like this can affect their bottom line long term...

Cyborg and Corey Anderson stick out as recent examples.

Francis would be a come up for Bellator. He's one of the most exciting athletes in the HW division.

Passing the Ali and Dana era will lead to more "professionalism" in the sport.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

I don’t think you can ever really question Dana in terms of money or his bottom line at this point

We may not like his tactics or we might even hate him but the ufc is clearly doing well. They’re operating like this because they can

The ufc would be fine without Francis. Cyborg and Corey Anderson are nobodies to casuals and didn’t hurt the ufc at all

Again I’m not saying I like Dana or the ufc model but they’ve proven over and over again that they’re competent businessmen

Nothing will change until the fighters band together

 

[jayt1202]

PFL doing PPV events? That might be one of the worst ideas yet, they would probably avg under 50k buys (if that). If they did a Challenger show around my way I might go though. A combine also sounds interesting.

 

[spiderjericho]

I'm not questioning them having their most successful year ever? Lowering their operating costs (which includes site fees, fighter pay, endorsements, etc)? Or maximizing their revenue. Dana and WME did that.

The reason why Corey and Cyborg are nobodies is because of Dana and their operating model eg not promoting their fighters. The business is the UFC not the fighters. I can honestly see Francis getting cut if he loses. If he wins, they can just extend his contract.

I wish Kevin Lee the best. It's crazy to switch from the NBA thread with "Player Empowerment TM" to this one.

Also agree on the PFL tip. They don't have enough star power to justify multiple PPVs. Ray Cooper (no one knows), Rory McDonald, Kayla Harrison (if she resigns), Anthony Pettis, etc.

 

[jayt1202]

I don’t think you can ever really question Dana in terms of money or his bottom line at this point

We may not like his tactics or we might even hate him but the ufc is clearly doing well. They’re operating like this because they can

The ufc would be fine without Francis. Cyborg and Corey Anderson are nobodies to casuals and didn’t hurt the ufc at all

Again I’m not saying I like Dana or the ufc model but they’ve proven over and over again that they’re competent businessmen

Nothing will change until the fighters band together

I was watching the Morning Kombat pod a couple weeks back and they went into how UFC don't seem to care about essentially diluting the product as they can hold events at the Apex for relatively low costs and them pushing to have events early in the pandemic paid off for ESPN. They also brought up how other orgs like Bellator and PFL just can't compete with name recognition and getting the top matchups (this is undeniable). Seems like they'll continue to do many FN's at the Apex in 22' and could even continue doing at least half their FN's there and maybe the ones with big headliners in other venues around the country moving forward.

So like has been said numerous times here, if the fighters don't form some kind of union or association nothing will change.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

I was watching the Morning Kombat pod a couple weeks back and they went into how UFC don't seem to care about essentially diluting the product as they can hold events at the Apex for relatively low costs and them pushing to have events early in the pandemic paid off for ESPN. They also brought up how other orgs like Bellator and PFL just can't compete with name recognition and getting the top matchups (this is undeniable). Seems like they'll continue to do many FN's at the Apex in 22' and could even continue doing at least half their FN's there and maybe the ones with big headliners in other venues around the country moving forward.

So like has been said numerous times here, if the fighters don't form some kind of union or association nothing will change.

Their partnership with Espn has them made men on top of the fact that there’s no fighter union

they’re richer beyond their dreams with no regulation or checks and balances

 

[steevoo1]

UFC and the ESPN deal was the best thing for viewers but the worst for fighters.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

UFC and the ESPN deal was the best thing for viewers but the worst for fighters.

And thus genius on ufc part for their bottom line

 

[spiderjericho]

Their partnership with Espn has them made men on top of the fact that there’s no fighter union

they’re richer beyond their dreams with no regulation or checks and balances

100!!

From a big business perspective, they can't lose.

I don't want it to seem I'm anti Dana. MMA wouldn't be where it is today without Dana (and the Fertita's money).

I was a UFC fan before I was a MMA (with the OG shows in the mid 90s and again during the Anderson/GSP era).

UFC and the ESPN deal was the best thing for viewers but the worst for fighters.

Content is king. But I think the viewers lose due to lack of competition and a stale product (TUF hasn't changed, UFC can get away with cards like the recent Miesha one, fighter pay, lack of promotion, etc). And the fighters are the biggest losers.

If these fighters can't look at the Kevin Lee and Francis situation and see the truth. Or how Dana can "recruit" by disparaging Kayla Harrison. Or how we haven't gotten Jon Jones/Francis.

 

[steevoo1]

Triller needs to hop on that Polish MMA wave. These 5v5/3v3 fights they have are insane and bring the lols

 

[OTG]

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Eugene, shut up lol. Not everyone has to stay the same forever

Your guy talks more **** than anyone

“Khabib talks more sh*t about other fighters than anybody and I’m disappointed to see that.,” Bareman told Submission Radio. “Because for me, he was a guy that, oh man, this guy’s still a purist. That’s not a part of his DNA. But now you see him slagging off fighters, and then Makhachev does the same. That never used to be a part of their culture in the sport. They had their own unique place in the sport. Now they’re just like everybody else. Khabib talks just as much sh*t as everybody else. He used to respect all fighters. He used to respect all fighters a lot. Same as Makhachev. I heard that maybe their manager controls their Twitter. But then they’re still foolish for letting the manager control their Twitter.

 

[spiderjericho]

He probably bitter that Khabib’s dude wrestle ducked and subbed Hooker.

He’s the idiot that let Hooker gamble. Like Kevin Lee said, cherry pick. Knew from jump, it was bad news/matchup for Hooker.

 

[shogun]

UFC and the ESPN deal was the best thing for viewers but the worst for fighters.

I don't like it. Most fight nights are on espn+ and they gotta put that annoying clown stephen a. on pre and post shows on big cards.

 

[equality]

Eugene, shut up lol. Not everyone has to stay the same forever

Your guy talks more **** than anyone

“Khabib talks more sh*t about other fighters than anybody and I’m disappointed to see that.,” Bareman told Submission Radio. “Because for me, he was a guy that, oh man, this guy’s still a purist. That’s not a part of his DNA. But now you see him slagging off fighters, and then Makhachev does the same. That never used to be a part of their culture in the sport. They had their own unique place in the sport. Now they’re just like everybody else. Khabib talks just as much sh*t as everybody else. He used to respect all fighters. He used to respect all fighters a lot. Same as Makhachev. I heard that maybe their manager controls their Twitter. But then they’re still foolish for letting the manager control their Twitter.

Eugene does seem like one of those purists who doesn't like trash talk, but he got one of the biggest trash talkers in the game and he's talkin about Khabib and Islam's tame trash talk

 

[spiderjericho]

Khabib isn’t talking crap. People ask him questions. He shares his opinion just like ugh Eugene B on Submission Radio, MMA Hour, etc.

And pushing for his guy isn’t a crime. The Ali stuff…well…no comment.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Khabib is playing a role and playing it well. I’m enjoying his sudden open ness

Can’t expect someone to stay the same their whole life. Especially if he’s learning better English and he’s coaching now which adds a lot more investment and probably emotion

 

[spiderjericho]

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Jon continuing to publicly air out winklejohn is something to behold

all good things come to an end I suppose