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Horace Grant lays into 'snitch' Michael Jordan over 'so-called' documentary: 'Let's settle this like men' https://sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/ho...tary-lets-settle-this-like-men-232548162.html
"The Last Dance" Michael Jordan & Chicago Bulls Docuseries
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look like mike gave horace that ptsd. and regarding jordan calling scottie selfish; it was selfish of him on 2 instances...first his contract that he agreed to and that his agent warned against THAT'S ON HIM. the second was the play phil drew up and he opted to sit out, thats a b!tch move.
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The new party that you want to be invited to, is the one that LeBron throws, not that of Micheal Jordan. Outside of his shoes and the memories, there really, truly, isn't anything progressive about Jordan. He simply isn't that it guy anymore. All this documentary has done, is to move the needle a bit so that people can be reminded of what was.
It seems that many people cannot allow their heroes to be human, wanting them to be forever infallible.
It seems that many people cannot allow their heroes to be human, wanting them to be forever infallible.
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Maybe that is true because right now Lebron is probably the most marketable and recognizable athlete on the planet (give or take a futbol star) and a good portion of the folks on this earth weren't even alive during MJ's first and second 3 peats. These days Jordan is more synonymous with shoes than his accomplishments on the court. Up until this documentary came out you really didn't hear that much from Jordan anymore but one moment that stood out to me that reminded me people haven't completely forgot about MJ was his attendance at KB24's funeral. Even when he was surrounded by some of the biggest entertainers and current and former athletes he was still the star among stars.
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Horace shouldn’t be doing this 
everyone is always going to resent “the man”. Don’t matter if it’s teammates or even family. Of course the mystique of Michael Jordan isn’t going to be as strong with the people who have seen him at his most vulnerable. Horace knows that Mike has an image machine around him that’s going to finesse stories here and there. Just let it ride. The people who really respect the game and didn’t need the documentary to tell them the greatness of the 90’s Bulls knows how important Horace is to Mike’s legacy.
...and Horace Grant was the best player on NBA Jam.
everyone is always going to resent “the man”. Don’t matter if it’s teammates or even family. Of course the mystique of Michael Jordan isn’t going to be as strong with the people who have seen him at his most vulnerable. Horace knows that Mike has an image machine around him that’s going to finesse stories here and there. Just let it ride. The people who really respect the game and didn’t need the documentary to tell them the greatness of the 90’s Bulls knows how important Horace is to Mike’s legacy. ...and Horace Grant was the best player on NBA Jam.
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Why is it on Ho Grant to "let it ride?" -Horace shouldn’t be doing this
...and Horace Grant was the best player on NBA Jam.
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Why is it on Ho Grant to "let it ride?" -
Because it doesn’t matter how wrong or right he is, the narrative and the “truth” will always be that he was a supporting character, not the main character.
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I can agree with the "truth" never mattering because it is vs. Jordan; but he doesn't care about that. He just wants to speak his truths.
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To your last point, the only reason it seems that way is because he hardly ever speaks about anything, at all. So yeah, people were interested, especially since Kobe imitated much of Jordan's game and mannerisms. But Jordan's absence concerning media, maintaining a certain anonymity, privacy? Makes it seem as if he is still a star among stars, but once he opens his mouth, he says nothing still.
"The ceiling is the roof!"
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Been seeing this response pushed all over the place like an exclusive but he's just mad and didn't add anything. Sports media hurting.
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MJ didn’t care about Pippen’s contract or scottie sitting out for a play while he was retired. MJ was pissed that he pushed his surgery to the start of the season. All the games that Pippen missed pissed MJ off.
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But that’s the point. You’re speaking your truth vs Jordan’s truth about the same subjects. Who’s is holding more validity, “the man” or “the supporting character”. Horace isn’t picking a winning battle. His truth is only going to fall on deaf ears or to be twisted by media into some type of beef. We don’t need that. What we need is a reunion with both 3 peat teams and a great sit down recalling memorable games and series’ not a he said, he said type of deal because it’s all gonna be rooted in bias at the end of the day.
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But it isn't he said she said because the AUTHOR of the book is the one who threw Horace under the bus
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thats what i meant and agree with u cause when u sign the contract thats on you. your team depend on you to be there and him delaying surgery made him feel that type of way because he put himself before the team and the game. once the contract inked in, you got one job to do and thats to be in top shape and game ready. pippen delaying surgery due to contract issues went against MJ values and views of the game.
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Yea I am saying that doesn't matter to him. He wants to clear the air.
Of course MOST people will side with MJ either way (see this thread, he can do no wrong even when he is clearly wrong) but some WILL side with Ho Grant and start to see Jordan for what he is.
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Ho Grant? Bahahahahah
- Nov 20, 2007
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Horace just mad how the doc reiterated what everybody else suspected.
We established back on pg 2 or at least I did MJ was dry snitching on the drug use in the hotel room
Fam can't really be trying to use that as some deflection when all MJ did was assume what everybody else did. Ain't like he didn't have his chance on the doc to deny it (just wasn't direct or believable).
We established back on pg 2 or at least I did MJ was dry snitching on the drug use in the hotel room
Fam can't really be trying to use that as some deflection when all MJ did was assume what everybody else did. Ain't like he didn't have his chance on the doc to deny it (just wasn't direct or believable).
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Can we all agree that both MJ and Grant are snitches?
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Why do you guys care if MJ was a jerk? I'm asking the fans and the haters.
I think he's a terrible human being but the greatest basketball player ever.
Too many people push their feelings and emotional needs onto celebrities, that's weak.
Just appreciate him for his craft, if you want to be a SJW don't bring it in a sports thread. Start a SJW thread about celebrities.
I think he's a terrible human being but the greatest basketball player ever.
Too many people push their feelings and emotional needs onto celebrities, that's weak.
Just appreciate him for his craft, if you want to be a SJW don't bring it in a sports thread. Start a SJW thread about celebrities.
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Terrible human being is a bit too far if we start thinking about terrible human beings.
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Where did Sam Smith actually say that Horace Grant was the source? I've never seen it. I thought it was just implied by everyone.
Also John Bach was supposed to have been the real leak, that's why he was fired after a few seasons. I heard that Phil was the one that threw him under the bus.
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He's a bully and has petty ways with people. He'd probably be bought up on charges if he played in this era.
Our definitions of "terrible" might be a little different too.
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For the woman at the end of the trailer that loss what appears to be a family member, it is not Nike’s fault or their responsibility that your loved one died over a pair of Jordan’s. At the end of the day it is the responsibility of that person or persons that took her family members life. If she wants to get on the news or wants to blame someone find fault in the stupidity of the person that killed your loved one in the first place over a pair of shoes. Focus your energy on that person where it belongs.
That’s like me being mad because I don’t own or drive a Ferrari and then I kill someone for having a Ferrari. Then I or the family member of the person I kill comes out and says Ferrari needs to make their cars more affordable for everyone to have and own.
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The only person I consider terrible from that documentary is that rapist Karl Malone.
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