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doing what they have to, to protect there money
The days of illegal downloading coming to an end
- Thread in 'General' Thread starter Started by TYE_The Time Traveler,
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I would say yes and no. Yes, you can be tracked because I'm sure these sites keep logs, also whatever browser or dl manager you're using also keeps logs. The only thing is to try and stay away from files whose names are not coded.
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Every time I see titles like this, I cant help buy think to myself, "Yeah right.."
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I agree with double D, piracy has led to the increased success of most artists. They want you to listen to them whether you buy it or not. They would never have become household names in this era without millions of dollars in marketing anyway, piracy is just another form of it.
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I guess I shouldn't expect to make sense to someone who defines & justifies downloading pirated content as "advertising". I'll agree to disagree as well.
I didn't define or attempt to justify anything. I was just being honest, which is a rarity when it comes to downloading.
You said your peace and I did as well. It's ok to entertain someones opinion without accepting it, a lot of times it just
reaffirms how you felt in the place. I respect what you have to say, see it as a valid argument, but I simply do not agree.
It would be great if everything was a clear cut as you make it out to be, but downloading is complicated and can't be
lumped into the same category as stealing from a restaurant or retail theft. I feel you, but I don't agree.
Just don't try to take another swipe if you said you agree to disagree.
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...i have no problem with that at all.
...and its not that i refuse to pirate, it that if i do download and like what i hear, i have no problem paying for it.
....i just dont get the attitude of:
"who pays for music?"
....when you legitimately do like a particular artist, your choice is to not support them at all? even worse support stealing from them? makes no sense. how is that artist you love so much supposed to make more of the music you love if they arent getting paid for it?
....however, this is the same generation of:
"who's Paul McCartney IDGAF"
....so the attitude.....the mocking......the sense of entitlement is pretty much expected.
....this generation just DGAF
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Coming to an end ?
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....yeah, i bet he doesnt.
....im seriously going to try to explain this to you. and i hope that my laughing at you doesnt get in the way of you being able to read and understand what im about to write. to make it easier, ill try to use your words as much as possible:
......so you downloaded Artist X's cd for free, liked it, and became a fan. due to the fact that if you had to pay for it you never would have heard it in the first place. right?
...okay, so your compensation to that artist for that free album you downloaded is you becoming a fan, you following them on Twitter, and you talking positively about them to the people you know? right?
......so tell me, can that artist pay any bills off of what you just listed as your compensation for their work? what your saying is your advertisement is enough compensation for the artist.
....so tell me, if everyones compensation to that artist is advertisement when does the artist get paid?
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i can't get w/buying music from itunes or amazon...
when i do buy music i want a physical copy...just seems more natural that way
only did amazon like twice when the album was .99
when i do buy music i want a physical copy...just seems more natural that way
only did amazon like twice when the album was .99
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seasoned vet wrote:
Yeah, you don't make much sense. But I'll agree to disagree. Have a good day.
....yeah, i bet he doesnt.
....im seriously going to try to explain this to you. and i hope that my laughing at you doesnt get in the way of you being able to read and understand what im about to write. to make it easier, ill try to use your words as much as possible:
......so you downloaded Artist X's cd for free, liked it, and became a fan. due to the fact that if you had to pay for it you never would have heard it in the first place. right?
...okay, so your compensation to that artist for that free album you downloaded is you becoming a fan, you following them on Twitter, and you talking positively about them to the people you know? right?
......so tell me, can that artist pay any bills off of what you just listed as your compensation for their work? what your saying is your advertisement is enough compensation for the artist.
....so tell me, if everyones compensation to that artist is advertisement when does the artist get paid?
Well, once I'm a fan I buy their CD and see their show when they come to town. It really isn't hard to understand
if you actually read what I wrote. If you really wanted to quote my text then I'll encourage you to read the back
and forth conversation. I was never disrespectful and just voiced my opinion. The whole enlarging and bolding text,
making huge laughing faces and long bullet points are kind of over the top though. You're not going to stop illegal
downloading by trying to put me on blast for simply writing a clear and valid argument. Good luck on your crusade.
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....yeah, i bet he doesnt.
....im seriously going to try to explain this to you. and i hope that my laughing at you doesnt get in the way of you being able to read and understand what im about to write. to make it easier, ill try to use your words as much as possible:
......so you downloaded Artist X's cd for free, liked it, and became a fan. due to the fact that if you had to pay for it you never would have heard it in the first place. right?
...okay, so your compensation to that artist for that free album you downloaded is you becoming a fan, you following them on Twitter, and you talking positively about them to the people you know? right?
......so tell me, can that artist pay any bills off of what you just listed as your compensation for their work? what your saying is your advertisement is enough compensation for the artist.
....so tell me, if everyones compensation to that artist is advertisement when does the artist get paid?
Well, once I'm a fan I buy their CD and see their show when they come to town. It really isn't hard to understand
if you actually read what I wrote.
nooo, you saiiiid:
...dont try to change it now.
....ftr, this wasnt in your analogy. just because you bought 20+ physical cd's doenst mean you downloaded them first.
.....its a lie anyway because if you really was buying the artists you downloaded you'd have said so.
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For everyone that didnt see what seasoned vet said before editing his post, it said "Show me where you wrote you
BUY THE CD" then it had a huge one these:
I guess he went back, put on his reading glasses and actually looked at the first line of my first response which says:
"I buy the artists music that I support and I don't buy from iTunes or Amazon, I want the physical cd." None of my
posts have been edited by the way. I'm a supporter of music and I was just trying to add to the conversation by
saying how I felt.
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.....power bill due today. i think imma try to pay them in advertisements
...whats worse is you do photography and graphic design. how would you feel if someone stole your stuff, gave you a pound, and said "its cool, i got you, ill tell everyone about how good your product is".
...whats worse is you do photography and graphic design. how would you feel if someone stole your stuff, gave you a pound, and said "its cool, i got you, ill tell everyone about how good your product is".
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The thing is, seasoned vet, looking at your response on the last page we pretty much agree on downloading,
as long as you support the artists that you like. I agreed with alot of your points, the whole "Who pays for music
anymore IDGAF" attitude disgusts me. What I think happened was, you saw a piece of what I said and jumped
to a conclusion... and now you're trying to justify everything you previously said. It's cool, it seems like we both
support the artists that we like and most of our ideals align.
This just goes to show that alot of people are on here to get a laugh and put someone on blast. Alot of the times
it is hilarious and I love when general brings out the jokes and laughter, but alot of times people reach TOO far
and try to be TOO funny. That's why I usually just read and dont post alot. It's cool though man, the truth are in
the posts, I havent edited anything, and you've edited some of the posts twice. You don't have to try so hard bro.
as long as you support the artists that you like. I agreed with alot of your points, the whole "Who pays for music
anymore IDGAF" attitude disgusts me. What I think happened was, you saw a piece of what I said and jumped
to a conclusion... and now you're trying to justify everything you previously said. It's cool, it seems like we both
support the artists that we like and most of our ideals align.
This just goes to show that alot of people are on here to get a laugh and put someone on blast. Alot of the times
it is hilarious and I love when general brings out the jokes and laughter, but alot of times people reach TOO far
and try to be TOO funny. That's why I usually just read and dont post alot. It's cool though man, the truth are in
the posts, I havent edited anything, and you've edited some of the posts twice. You don't have to try so hard bro.
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I do work for free sometimes. When I first started out I did work exclusively for free, because I wasn't that good.Originally Posted by seasoned vet
.....power bill due today. i think imma try to pay them in advertisements
...whats worse is you do photography and graphic design. how would you feel if someone stole your stuff, gave you a pound, and said "its cool, i got you, ill tell everyone about how good your product is".
The work that I did for free gave me a solid reputation in Pittsburgh which led to more business and more money.
In my opinion, people telling others "about how good your product line is" is the epitome of working toward
long-term success.
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....you're wrong. i saw BOTH of your replies the first time. i just dont believe you claim of purchasing 20+ physical copies applies to those you downloaded.......which is probably why its omitted from your analogy.
...and thats just it, im almost NEVER trying to by funny on here. i let the stupid stuff people say on here speak for itself.
...a freelance Photographer, Graphic Artist, and Writer openly defending piracy is as stupid and as funny as it gets. you dont even have to try with that one.
...its so easy to have your attitude when its not your product. i wonder how you feel about your own?
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I let people use code that I've written for free, it's not that serious...Originally Posted by seasoned vet
.....power bill due today. i think imma try to pay them in advertisements
...whats worse is you do photography and graphic design. how would you feel if someone stole your stuff, gave you a pound, and said "its cool, i got you, ill tell everyone about how good your product is".
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Originally Posted by DoubleD Productions
I do work for free sometimes. When I first started out I did work exclusively for free, because I wasn't that good.Originally Posted by seasoned vet
.....power bill due today. i think imma try to pay them in advertisements
...whats worse is you do photography and graphic design. how would you feel if someone stole your stuff, gave you a pound, and said "its cool, i got you, ill tell everyone about how good your product is".
The work that I did for free gave me a solid reputation in Pittsburgh which led to more business and more money.
In my opinion, people telling others "about how good your product line is" is the epitome of working toward
long-term success.
...and thats YOUR CHOICE because its YOUR PRODUCT.
...you're forcing your own opinions on someone elses product like thats how its supposed to be.
...i say again, artists cant eat advertisements. but if they want to thats up for them to decide not the consumer.
Originally Posted by Credo
I let people use code that I've written for free, it's not that serious...Originally Posted by seasoned vet
.....power bill due today. i think imma try to pay them in advertisements
...whats worse is you do photography and graphic design. how would you feel if someone stole your stuff, gave you a pound, and said "its cool, i got you, ill tell everyone about how good your product is".
....see above answer
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buying cds is nothing these days its about going to the shows or buying if you care about supporting artist
ive never bought a lil wayne cd ever in my life but I paid 110 for floor seats and bought 2 ymcmb t shirts for my sister for christmas, I am pretty sure we are even.
ive never bought a lil wayne cd ever in my life but I paid 110 for floor seats and bought 2 ymcmb t shirts for my sister for christmas, I am pretty sure we are even.
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I'm starting to think the fundamental disagreement here is not about whether piracy is moral or not but about an understanding of how the world works.
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Wait.... so millions of people who pirated his music is somehow negated by a smaller portion of people who went to see him in concert?
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All these people who haven't purchased media since like 02, who's gonna start spending?
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"buying cds is nothing these days its about going to the shows or buying if you care about supporting artist
ive never bought a lil wayne cd ever in my life but I paid 110 for floor seats and bought 2 ymcmb t shirts for my sister for christmas, I am pretty sure we are even."
^^^It was Wayne though.
ive never bought a lil wayne cd ever in my life but I paid 110 for floor seats and bought 2 ymcmb t shirts for my sister for christmas, I am pretty sure we are even."
^^^It was Wayne though.
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.....
....advertisements son! its the new black.
....
....amen to that.
...this thread is proof that peoples rationalization of their own selfishness knows NO BOUNDS.
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a small percent? are you serious? average ticket price is 5x more than a cd cost. And most artist are making what 1 dollar max per cd? Have yall seen the mark ups on cds? Artist are only getting what up to 2 bucks a cd. Im sure the tour breakdown is a lot more. And millions of pirates? When people were buying cds average rapper wasnt going platinum so we can kill that noise.
The money is in touring, appearances, guest verses, and merchandising NOT album sales. Look at Meek Mill, Asap Rocky, Weeknd etc.. all these guys are eating as if they had a album in stores.
Only people losing money off pirating are record labels and retail stores
