The Combat Jack Show Thread

[frshstunna]

Ish said we don't know what Bol Bol could accomplish

His arguments are so stupid sometimes.

They have coaches and practice. Bol Bol has been on multiple teams. Phoenix or Orlando weren't trying to win? Basketball mixtapes and highlights have people fooled. If I see Mitchell Robinson make 10 free throws in a practice video, should I believe that or him shooting 40% on the season?

He just heard Shaq say it and ran with it that’s all

 

[finessence]

Ish said we don't know what Bol Bol could accomplish

His arguments are so stupid sometimes.

They have coaches and practice. Bol Bol has been on multiple teams. Phoenix or Orlando weren't trying to win? Basketball mixtapes and highlights have people fooled. If I see Mitchell Robinson make 10 free throws in a practice video, should I believe that or him shooting 40% on the season?

He’s just looking at s*** dawg.

Yeah Lil Manute may be able to do EVERYTHING Wemby does but he ain’t got the drive or consistency.

Harold Miner got compared to Jordan because of look.

Jimmer Fredette got compared to Steph because of a LOOK

I remember Adam Morrison from Gonzaga got compared to KD because of skills

…. None of that means s*** if they ain’t as consistent as the person they’re being compared too.

Ish silly self can’t comprehend

 

[Maximus Meridius]

This is like saying Tre Lance could be Mahomes if he was a starter.

 

[tokes99]

Ish said we don't know what Bol Bol could accomplish

His arguments are so stupid sometimes.

They have coaches and practice. Bol Bol has been on multiple teams. Phoenix or Orlando weren't trying to win? Basketball mixtapes and highlights have people fooled. If I see Mitchell Robinson make 10 free throws in a practice video, should I believe that or him shooting 40% on the season?

apart/separate from the assessment of ish, the 'problem' for bol² has kinda been that the teams he has been on are trying to win...thus man has a short leash and those teams typically aren't amenable to letting young players play through mistakes, on top of whatever perceived attitude/consistency/effort/motor concerns...when those teams had stretches of being forced to play him he had some moments but definitely also glaring shortcomings of his game being a positional tweener despite his immense size

He’s just looking at s*** dawg.

Yeah Lil Manute may be able to do EVERYTHING Wemby does but he ain’t got the drive or consistency.

Harold Miner got compared to Jordan because of look.

Jimmer Fredette got compared to Steph because of a LOOK

I remember Adam Morrison from Gonzaga got compared to KD because of skills

…. None of that means s*** if they ain’t as consistent as the person they’re being compared too.

Ish silly self can’t comprehend

even tho bol² & wemby have similar skill sets their games aren't that similar especially defensively, that noted...wemby also had his struggles but san ant were invested in him obviously in ways the teams bol² would never be, i think it's always a bit unfair to say man in these leagues aren't consistent/driven enough when we know for most players so much is situational

yes players have to find a way to succeed in the opportunities/role they are given, which is highly related to abilities/skillset matching with teams, somewhat akin to the austin rivers & draymond back & forth about their respective basketball careers

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Eddie Curry coulda been Shaq if he got the ball more

 

[elpablo21]

 

[elpablo21]

He just heard Shaq say it and ran with it that’s all

Ish said that Jalen Duren played well in the 1st round....

He just be saying ****

 

[Arthur Shelby]

 

[Magic33]

apart/separate from the assessment of ish, the 'problem' for bol² has kinda been that the teams he has been on are trying to win...thus man has a short leash and those teams typically aren't amenable to letting young players play through mistakes, on top of whatever perceived attitude/consistency/effort/motor concerns...when those teams had stretches of being forced to play him he had some moments but definitely also glaring shortcomings of his game being a positional tweener despite his immense size



even tho bol² & wemby have similar skill sets their games aren't that similar especially defensively, that noted...wemby also had his struggles but san ant were invested in him obviously in ways the teams bol² would never be, i think it's always a bit unfair to say man in these leagues aren't consistent/driven enough when we know for most players so much is situational

yes players have to find a way to succeed in the opportunities/role they are given, which is highly related to abilities/skillset matching with teams, somewhat akin to the austin rivers & draymond back & forth about their respective basketball careers

 

[Master Zik]

I see why I don't see some of y'all in S&T

If Bol Bol had half the talent of Wemby any team he was on would've gave him free reign to develop. Y'all act like the coaching staff just be stifling talent. They see these guys in practice all the time.

 

[tokes99]

Eddie Curry coulda been Shaq if he got the ball more

I see why I don't see some of y'all in S&T

If Bol Bol had half the talent of Wemby any team he was on would've gave him free reign to develop. Y'all act like the coaching staff just be stifling talent. They see these guys in practice all the time.

not that coaches are want to be 'stifling' guys but pros talk about this all the time, about having to fit into roles if you aren't drafted as one of those ones & some of the politics of playing time & player development...

obviously wemby being a 1st overall pick & a centerpiece player on a team with no feature guys/stars is a different circumstance than bol² being a talented guy that fell due to injury & other concerns going to a team with 2 all stars & just about to get paid mpj, where minutes for him we're going to be scarce probably in the best case scenario...

young players tend to make mistakes, teams that are winning have less tolerance & usually less minutes for those guys, man like bol² did come into the association off an injury but seem to be legitimately freakish talented (probably could say this about a bunch of guys tho) in some aspects similarly to wemby & has shown it in games...

even as much as some of those teams that took flyers on man needed his minutes for stretches when guys were hurt, they didn't seem to have much patience for him when they weren't forced to play him, is the speculation that man could be a different player if in a different circumstance so outlandish?

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Just stop lying.

She is getting cooked online man.

 

[Master Zik]

not that coaches are want to be 'stifling' guys but pros talk about this all the time, about having to fit into roles if you aren't drafted as one of those ones & some of the politics of playing time & player development...

obviously wemby being a 1st overall pick & a centerpiece player on a team with no feature guys/stars is a different circumstance than bol² being a talented guy that fell due to injury & other concerns going to a team with 2 all stars & just about to get paid mpj, where minutes for him we're going to be scarce probably in the best case scenario...

young players tend to make mistakes, teams that are winning have less tolerance & usually less minutes for those guys, man like bol² did come into the association off an injury but seem to be legitimately freakish talented (probably could say this about a bunch of guys tho) in some aspects similarly to wemby & has shown it in games...

even as much as some of those teams that took flyers on man needed his minutes for stretches when guys were hurt, they didn't seem to have much patience for him when they weren't forced to play him, is the speculation that man could be a different player if in a different circumstance so outlandish?

Keep in mind the comparison was to Wemby. Let's not bs around and change things to fit a narrative.

There is no NBA player with 1st round #1 draft pick talent and potential on any roster, even in the NBDL, not being given a chance. Not ever in league history.

 

[tokes99]

Keep in mind the comparison was to Wemby. Let's not bs around and change things to fit a narrative.

There is no NBA player with 1st round #1 draft pick talent and potential on any roster, even in the NBDL, not being given a chance. Not ever in league history.

i wasn't aware folk were saying he ≈ wemby, i'm just saying guy is/was legitimately had an outlier skillset offensively as 7' footer & the teams he's been on while certainly trying/wanting to put man like bol² in position to be successful on their terms all of those teams had better/more consistent/veteran options on their rosters in the role they saw for him such that he wasn't going to be play otherwise as opposed to them letting him build/develop on his unique abilities...

depends on how/what you define as 'given a chance' because obviously him being on rosters can be described as that...but that isn't the same as being put in position to best be successful, bol² wouldn't be the 1st guy not to have capitalized on potential won't be the last either...but the situation matters & most players acknowledge this as fact, many players talk about how the confidence get shaken those 1st couple years when their time is often limited even if they were killing guys in practice...

 

[Mark Antony]

NBA's level of eyeing talent rarely misses tbh, it's equivalent to player's skill. If Ol Bol was it he would be it.

 

[Master Zik]

i wasn't aware folk were saying he ≈ wemby, i'm just saying guy is/was legitimately had an outlier skillset offensively as 7' footer & the teams he's been on while certainly trying/wanting to put man like bol² in position to be successful on their terms all of those teams had better/more consistent/veteran options on their rosters in the role they saw for him such that he wasn't going to be play otherwise as opposed to them letting him build/develop on his unique abilities...

depends on how/what you define as 'given a chance' because obviously him being on rosters can be described as that...but that isn't the same as being put in position to best be successful, bol² wouldn't be the 1st guy not to have capitalized on potential won't be the last either...but the situation matters & most players acknowledge this as fact, many players talk about how the confidence get shaken those 1st couple years when their time is often limited even if they were killing guys in practice...

Given a chance as in showing their skill and talent in practice, tryouts, games, etc. so coaches can realize he has the potential to be the best player in the league.

Bol Bol does not have that. He was never denied that chance.

 

[tokes99]

NBA's level of eyeing talent rarely misses tbh, it's equivalent to player's skill. If Ol Bol was it he would be it.

it’s not even to say it is a miss, more time it really is a mismatch, teams draft guys with with a possible vision but often the coach(es) may have different thought…is giannis still on a trajectory to be the ‘greek freak’ if j.kidd doesn’t run him as a point forward for that stint? gilbert arenas talks about all the guys that had to get injured for him to actually get dressed & get in games (and that bob sura preferred to stay in his 6th man role, which gave gil the opportunity to start)

if bol2x is really like that but it doesn’t seem that teams he was on saw him as the supersize wing that his game is closer to…(now it is questionable whether he could actually be successful as that in the league) rather than a sometimes stretch big…at some point the talent has to talent in games so man has to do something with the ‘chance’ in whatever capacity the ‘chance’ comes in but i just wouldn’t default to assuming that it’s because of consistency or the talent not being there; if there is anything that is a hallmark of young players it is inconsistency & depending on the teams circumstances/coach there will be more or less amenable to letting that young players live…kuminga is another player that might be in a similar position

 

[Magic33]

It's a conspiracy against Bol Bol, they're finding players from all over the world, but a kid who played in the states and went to Oregon.

They're holding him down, because they didn't like his dad.

Just stop lying.

She is getting cooked online man.

I wonder if her publisher convinced her to do TBC and the news program in DC. The time I heard that I knew she was going to catch heat. The bad part was how boisterous and defiant she was about it.

Chick said her book was a best seller. I checked and it's been between 10,000 and 20,000 on Amazon's list and it just came out

 

[a blinkin]

Just stop lying.

She is getting cooked online man.

So this lady is really a fraud? Like… deadass?

 

[Magic33]

So this lady is really a fraud? Like… deadass?

At this point I think she's a pathological liar. She was leading a NAACP chapter and probably was telling her friends and family she was a doctor.

The irony of getting a honorary doctorate because of your fake doctoral work and trying to trademark Dr Bryant

 

[x Buddha Bless x]

Yall can’t tell me Ish ain’t OvO. Looking for any angle to pump up Drake talking about Ross crossed over had to take it back seconds later when it was laid out they have no billboard hits together.

What Joe is basically saying is he’d never have something bad to say about a rapper like Fab and his track record shows that’s just how he is.

E made a solid point with the distinction though. Some ****** it’s just business for the industry and other ppl are actual friendships or at least closer than that.

 

[finessence]

I HATE when cats use that “mainstream” mess. Basically implying that you need that crossover/white or international crowd to be stamped.

Not many artists are going mainstream across ANY genre.

Ross has been knocking out dope music for 20+ years.

It ASTOUNDS me that the streets (which hip hop was predicated on) co-sign Drake. It’s unbelievable. Mans literally wears nail polish and tries his damndest to be a tough guy.

Ross is solidified. Again, TYLER THE CREATOR can be considered mainstream. Eminem can be considered mainstream. That does not mean they have better music.

It astounds me how rap pundits are so desperate or care about the opinions of casual rap fans. That’s basically what the mainstream is.

Caring about the opinions of people who don’t even understand the culture

 

[finessence]

Crossing over into WHAT demographic? Who CARES

Ross isn’t trying to appeal to the pop demo

 

[x Buddha Bless x]

Now it makes sense why certain ppl are even asking me where the pod at

 

[Arthur Shelby]