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[011781]

Wall didn't have to call that man out by name.

He could have just been generic and said that some recent contracts don't seem to be on par with what they bring to the table and vice versa -- some elite guys are being underpaid.

That boy was in his feels.

 

[dacomeup]

It's kinda messed up because he's sh*tting on someone within the fraternity. He should be happy that Reggie got that because his value increases even more. It's a part of the business. Not Reggie's fault that he became a FA at the right time. 

 

[captainsneakerhead23]

Why?

This is gonna be happen frequently going forward, especially coming from guys like Wall, Cousins, Kyrie, etc. who haven't signed their big TV deals.

Can't blame them for keeping it 100.

You just don't talk about another persons salary, by name too. Goes in any business. At my work, we never talk about what someone else is making, unless its private between a close fellow employee and I.

Wall doesn't have to be happy about it. But when you start pointing out peoples contracts, its just crossing the line. Talk about how crazy it is so and so is getting this and that. But don't put names out there.

It has to be some type of unwritten rule. This isn't the streets. Keeping it 100 isn't necessary, especially when you are getting $80M. Curry could say the same thing. How would it look if Curry said Wall is making damn near twice as much as i am? I bet the Union isn't thrilled with this. This is what the players asked for. Guys are going to get paid more than they should. But this is a GOOD thing for Wall. Because when he;s due for a new contract, he'll get a significant increase because a guy like Reggie is making $16M per. He's probably too simple minded for even thinking that far out.

I understand .. I just don't see it as a big deal being that it's public information, opposed to a workplace where nobody really knows what your making unless you mention it.

 

[011781]

on the topic of pay secrecy...

there's a law out there that says you're allowed to discuss these things with co-workers if the reason for the discussion is work related.

companies try to scare employees and make them believe that talking about salary is forbidden --- it's not.

they do it for obvious reasons.

IMO it's ridiculous that this has been such an unwritten rule in business for so long.

 

[NickFolarin]

I just do understand. 

If Bill Simmons, Stephen A. Smith, Bradley Beal, Randy Wittman, or even a random guy walking down the street compares the two contracts, it's fine, however when John Wall makes the argument himself he's wrong and worried about another man's money?

NBA contracts aren't private like the common workers contracts. The are talked about about on websites, blogs, and television every single day.

We as fans have to stop being hypocritical. When they get in trouble, we want to get the same sentence as a regular person, but when it comes to business, they should be above certain things? Either treat them the same or different across the board, not in certain situations.

 

[d3si]

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[IATT]

 
It's kinda messed up because he's sh*tting on someone within the fraternity. He should be happy that Reggie got that because his value increases even more. It's a part of the business. Not Reggie's fault that he became a FA at the right time. 

exactly.. why he trying count someone else's money

if he feels so bothered about it, take it to dude on the court.. or go talk to the player's association and get them to speak out about what was agreed to

we all know LeBron has been the best player in the league for a fair amount of time now.. how many years has he been the highest paid player in the league?

 

[bhzmafia14]

I just do understand. 

If Bill Simmons, Stephen A. Smith, Bradley Beal, Randy Wittman, or even a random guy walking down the street compares the two contracts, it's fine, however when John Wall makes the argument himself he's wrong and worried about another man's money?

NBA contracts aren't private like the common workers contracts. The are talked about about on websites, blogs, and television every single day.

We as fans have to stop being hypocritical. When they get in trouble, we want to get the same sentence as a regular person, but when it comes to business, they should be above certain things? Either treat them the same or different across the board, not in certain situations.

Did Beal and/or Wittman discuss someone else salary or are you just throwing those names out there for argument sake? If the latter is true, then they would get the same treatment as some are giving Wall. Like someone mentioned, Wall making a more general comment would have been more appropriate.

As for a sports guy, columnist, etc talking about salary, I believe that would be apart of their job. They analyze the game, they talk about free agency and when players get paid. They are not apart of the NBA, they are hired by companies that talk sports. I don't see how that proves your point in any way. Comparing Wall talking about another player's contract is simply not the same as Bill Simmons or Stephen A talking about it. I just don't put those two things together.

I'm not speaking on the other subjects about when a player get in trouble or whatever. This is strictly on the fact that Wall called out a player for the type of contract he received. How often does something like that even happen in the NBA from a public standpoint? Maybe its happened before, but I never heard about it.

What's even more funny about it is that Wall is far from being the best player in the NBA and not even the best player at his position. I don't think ANY NBA player should make that type of comment, but if someone did I would much rather it come from a guy that's AT LEAST considered the best among his peers.

 

[don ramon]

 
on the topic of pay secrecy...

there's a law out there that says you're allowed to discuss these things with co-workers if the reason for the discussion is work related.

companies try to scare employees and make them believe that talking about salary is forbidden --- it's not.

they do it for obvious reasons.

IMO it's ridiculous that this has been such an unwritten rule in business for so long.

yep, it's a taboo subject pushed on employees for way obvious reasons - to keep them in check

people been trained  into beliveing that it's tacky to talk about it out or whatever, but who are you really protecting?

yourself? your coworkers?

no. you're really just protecting your employer from the burden of having to less than he should to his employees.

you don't talk about it, the employer gets to maximize how much goes into his pocket and not into your own

who cares that wall is mentioning another player. he ain't wrong.

he wasn't necessarily saying reggie jackson doesn't deserve it, he's saying he, john wall, deserves more than he's getting for being a marquee player

 

[casper90403]

people outside of the NBA (non-players basically) have a right to discuss players contracts. We're not fighting for the same thing as players are. Players are part of a group trying to get the most money possible. One mans success is considered a success for you.

If you can't understand that part, then i don't know what else to say. Salaries being public knowledge means nothing.

Instead of discussing it, work on your game even more and you;ll get $25M per when you're up for a new contract, thanks to the ridiculous contracts guys like Reggie and Shumpert are getting. THIS IS A GOOD THING!

At my work, i know of a couple of dudes who do way less work than I do, and make a substantial amount more than me. My boss knows I know. I was upset for about 10 minutes but then shifted to the fact that my contract expires 12/31 @1159p this year. Got me excited

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[IATT]

^ exactly.. go have a convo with your agent.. the team you play/work for.. or the player's association

I'm pretty sure the pistons would rather have given that contract to john wall.. but that wasn't an option for them

 

[bhzmafia14]

Hopefully, Duncan, Dirk, Curry, Lebron, etc. start releasing statements about how underpaid they are in comparison to the contracts their peers received this summer. Then, some players should talk about how overpaid some of their peers are like Joe Johnson, Kobe, etc. It should be welcomed since some think Wall was just keeping it "1 hunnid". I guarantee you the NBA would shut that **** down quickly.

Deans, professors, etc at public universities and people that work for the state have their salaries publicly listed online. When I was working for the state, I should've made similar comments.

 

[8pm at msg]

If he worded it better it wouldn't be such a big deal. It comes off like he talking down on Reggie. Might not be what he meant but...

 

[awwsome]

Hopefully, Duncan, Dirk, Curry, Lebron, etc. start releasing statements about how underpaid they are in comparison to the contracts their peers received this summer. It should be welcomed since some think Wall was just keeping it "1 hunnid". I guarantee you the NBA would shut that **** down quickly.

You can't be serious man, TD and Dirk purposely took less and Lebron already has discussed how he's underpaid and believes he should be getting baseball player money.


I'd have 0 problem if Curry said he's underpaid, because he is to a ridiculous degree.


The NBA ain't shutting **** down, this all public knowledge and impacts multiple aspects of the game, Wall of all people has the right to talk about contracts.

 

[don ramon]

Instead of discussing it, work on your game even more and you;ll get $25M per when you're up for a new contract, thanks to the ridiculous contracts guys like Reggie and Shumpert are getting. THIS IS A GOOD THING!

so a player like john wall needs to work on his game more to be deserving of a contract that pays him more than reggie jackson?

 

[IATT]

I'D love if westbrook came out and ethered this dude (who signed a 5 year 80 mill couple season ago.. hell he gave up some money, cause he was eligible for more)

hell I'd love if curry cemented his winning this offseason and REALLY ethered this dude (who we all know really signed an undervalued contract.. ESPECIALLY now)

 

[awwsome]

If he worded it better it wouldn't be such a big deal. It comes off like he talking down on Reggie. Might not be what he meant but...

He said he's happy for him though.

I mean as a top 5 player at your position, it would be a little strange to see a guy who started only a handful of games getting paid the same as you.

 

[Olympus]

Wall needs to quit crying. Dude's still making $80 mill and when his contracts up in 3 years he can cash in for all he's worth. What the Pistons pay for Jackson has no bearing on you or the contract you signed 2 years ago.

 

[don ramon]

 

Instead of discussing it, work on your game even more and you;ll get $25M per when you're up for a new contract, thanks to the ridiculous contracts guys like Reggie and Shumpert are getting. THIS IS A GOOD THING!

so a player like john wall needs to work on his game more to be deserving of a contract that pays him more than reggie jackson?

playing well a lot of the time has way less of an impact on how much a player makes than you seem to believe

 

[awwsome]

so a player like john wall needs to work on his game more to be deserving of a contract that pays him more than reggie jackson?

I don't know what these dudes are talking about.


I've even see people bring up their stats, like there isn't also a thing called defense which Wall is elite and Reggie is a liability.

 

[Olympus]

 
so a player like john wall needs to work on his game more to be deserving of a contract that pays him more than reggie jackson?

Value, like most things in life, is in the eye of the beholder. Who says Jackson was gonna make $80 mil anywhere else?

 

[bhzmafia14]

You can't be serious man, TD and Dirk purposely took less and Lebron already has discussed how he's underpaid and believes he should be getting baseball player money.


I'd have 0 problem if Curry said he's underpaid, because he is to a ridiculous degree.


The NBA ain't shutting **** down, this all public knowledge and impacts multiple aspects of the game, Wall of all people has the right to talk about contracts.

I don't have an issue with Wall talking about contracts in general. If he wants to talk about the increase in contracts this summer and how they will only get larger after next season, that's fine. And I guarantee there will be an issue if a lot of players in the NBA start taltking about each other's money. Even though you are in favor of it, you would probably start getting sick of hearing about it . Imagine a player making that comment after a game and the individual that gets paid more than him underperformed.

I saw someone post this comment under the article...

"Meanwhile I'm still just tryna feed my family!" - Latrell Sprewell

 

[IATT]

Hopefully, Duncan, Dirk, Curry, Lebron, etc. start releasing statements about how underpaid they are in comparison to the contracts their peers received this summer. Then, some players should talk about how overpaid some of their peers are like Joe Johnson, Kobe, etc. It should be welcomed since some think Wall was just keeping it "1 hunnid". I guarantee you the NBA would shut that **** down quickly.

Deans, professors, etc at public universities and people that work for the state have their salaries publicly listed online. When I was working for the state, I should've made similar comments.

I'd love for those players to come out and talk about how underpaid they are relative to the amount of money the league is making.. talk about the popularity of the league.. talk about all the money being made from the things they are involved in or their names are attached too

would love that

but there is absolutely no need to talk about another player.. I hope all of those individuals named are capable of having those discussions

but the reality is, there is only 1 of each of those players.. and team's need players.. so guys will get paid.. and certain teams will have to overpay guys if they want them to play for them

 

[casper90403]

so a player like john wall needs to work on his game more to be deserving of a contract that pays him more than reggie jackson?

Nahhh man, thats more of a reference to keep your head down and worry about you and have your eye on the prize. But thats not to say he doesn't need to work on his game. All players should be working on their games, right?

 

[011781]

Wall could have said the same thing and low key ethered Reggie w/o sounding like a hater.

"Reggie getting $80M...... lawd I can't wait until my next contract "