The 2012 NFL Draft Thread, 4/26 8EST/5PST Vikings are on the clock

Deep? Son, he won't throw it 6 yards. SIX!!! Forgive me for expecting a top 10 pick to be able to attempt a forward pass, its kind of part of the job. Or maybe you think a field goal kicker can make it only kicking extra points.
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[h1]Scout’s corner: Arkansas prospects fail to shine[/h1]
Plus, a rundown of some of the top prospect performances from this past weekend. Wes Bunting

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Observations and analysis from the 13th week of the college football season, including thoughts about some of the nation’s top prospects on both sides of the football.

Sleeper alert…

I had yet to watch any of SMU this year, but turned them on this weekend and came away really impressed with the play of left tackle Kelvin Beachum Jr. The 6-3, 306-pound lineman has a thick, muscular looking lower half. He carries a lot of girth through his base/legs with solid length for his size and natural anchor strength. Now, he lacks ideal size to play left tackle in the NFL. However, he’s a “plus
 
First 2012 mock draft I've seen:

http://www.sbnation.com/n...-luck-robert-griffin-iii

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1. Indianapolis Colts - Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
Everything should be so automatic as this pick. Speculation is flying about the Colts being big enough for Manning and Luck, but the two have been making niceties in the media lately, enough to quell the controversy until April. Indianapolis may be better off trading the pick for a bounty of even more draft picks so that they could have more than just two quarterbacks as their only legitimate stars. 

2. St. Louis Rams - Matt Kalil, OT, USC
The Rams were already supposed to have their cornerstone offensive tackle, but Jason Smith, the second pick in the 2009 NFL Draft, has been a severe disappointment. Kalil looks like the best tackle prospect to come along since Jake Long. The Rams can finally give Sam Bradford the protection he needs. Rodger Saffold can move to the right side and instantly improve a unit that nearly got Sam Bradford killed this year. 

3. Minnesota Vikings - Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU
Minnesota could really use Kalil, but they can settle for the draft's top cornerback. Claiborne fills a big need for the Vikings who had allowed more receiving touchdowns than any other team in the league with 28. In truth, the second and  third spots in the draft could be dealt given the rise of Baylor quarterback and Heisman Trophy winner Robert Griffin III. The Vikings could use the extra picks, just like the Rams. 

4. Jacksonville Jaguars - Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State
Jacksonville really needs to get Blaine Gabbert another weapon on offense. The Jaguars have the worst group of receivers in the NFL. Blackmon's speed and playmaking ability would be a nice complement to Maurice Jones-Drew. Gabbert will be happy to have a sure-handed wide receiver. 

5. Carolina Panthers - Alshon Jeffery, WR, South Carolina
Carolina's biggest need is in the middle of its defensive line. The fifth pick seems a little high for Penn State's Devon Hill, though that could change as the draft season progresses. Cam Newton and Steve Smith formed a deep connection this season, but the young quarterback needs another, younger complementary receiver to take this offense to the next level. Not convinced there won't be some draft day horse trading? Just look, we're at the fifth pick and Robert Griffin and Matt Barkley are still on the board. 

6. Washington ******** - Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor
John Beck, Rex Grossman...neither of these guys have shown they can be the future in Washington. That changes with the selection of RG3. Mike Shanahan finally gets the building block he needs to finally make the ******** a threat in the NFC East. Griffin may not have the complete package that Andrew Luck has, but he would be worthy of the first overall pick in any other year. 

7. Cleveland Browns - Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame
Nine out of ten mock drafts and dentists think that Trent Richardson is the natural pick here. Pat Shurmur learned a lesson about not putting talent around a young quarterback in his last job as the offensive coordinator in St. Louis. They can find another running back in the draft, but they can't pass on a player that would give Colt McCoy a receiver with an elite skill set. Don't rule out the possibility of the Browns drafting a quarterback. 

8. Miami Dolphins - Matt Barkley, QB, USC
Matt Moore may very well be the Dolphins' starting quarterback at the beginning of next season. Matt Barkley will be starting by the Halloween. If they found a way to add a good tight end, they could really give Barkley something to work with from the start. 

9. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama
Kirkpatrick bolsters the back end of their defense prone to leaking pass yards this season. They could use playmakers on both sides of the ball. Kirkpatrick has the speed and physical ability to give their secondary flexibility and better matchups against their pass-first division rivals.

10. Philadelphia Eagles - Zach Brown, OLB, North Carolina
Skip the Dream Teams jokes here. Brown gives Philly a great starting linebacker for their defense. There might not be a bigger need for this team than upgrades at linebacker...and defensive coordinator. 

11. Arizona Cardinals - David DeCastro, OG, Stanford
After trading away a second-pick and a starting cornerback for backup quarterback Kevin Kolb, the Cardinals had little to protect their investment. He can also make their running game a real threat. DeCastro is the second-best offensive lineman in the draft, behind Kalil. This is an example of how the new rookie pay system will change daft day axioms about what positions are drafted where. 

12. Kansas City Chiefs - Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford
Martin can play either tackle spot, giving Kansas City some flexibility. He does know how to protect the quarterback, and can give Jamaal Charles some room to work on the outside. 

13. Buffalo Bills - Courtney Upshaw, OLB, Alabama
Ryan Fitzpatrick and the Bills' offense has drawn some criticism for the team's flame out after a hot start, but the defense has been awful. Injuries and neglect are both to blame. Drafting Upshaw adds a pass rusher to the mix. 

14. Seattle Seahawks - Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma
Yes, shocking as it may sound, neither Tarvaris Jackson or Charlie Whitehurst appear to be the answer at quarterback. Jones lands in an offense with some receiving talent and a talented offensive line that should help him ease into the NFL. Seattle is one of several teams that could look to trade up for Robert Griffin or Matt Barkley. 

15. San Diego Chargers - Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa
San Diego needs an injection of youth on their offensive line. Whispers about Philip Rivers playing hurt and a mid-season addition of Jared Gaithner point to a very real need up front. 

16. Dallas Cowboys - Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska
Dallas was keenly interested in drafting Nebraska corner Prince Amukamara last year. Having waited a year, they get the better of Nebraska's fearsome duo in the secondary from 2010 to improve their shaky pass defense. 

17. New York Giants - Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina
For the second year in a row, an elite pass rusher from UNC slips to the middle of the round. New York dealt with constant injuries to their aging group of pass rushers. Coples reinforces the unit and gives Jerry Reese some flexibility.

18. Tennessee Titans - Mark Barron, S, Alabama
Barron is the kind of safety that frequents the highlight reels with his hard hits and knack for being in the right place at the right time. Working with a re-signed Courtland Finnegan, Barron gives the Titans a good secondary. 

19. Cincinnati Bengals - Chase Minnefield, CB, Virginia
Cincinnati's defensive front is already a pretty good unit. Adding a talented cornerback would make it more complete. Minnefield also has the hands to create turnovers. Cincinnati will want to get Andy Dalton and A.J. Green as many chances as they can. 

20. Chicago Bears - Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin
If Chicago could draft an entire offensive line, they might do it. Konz gives them some stability in the interior line. 

21. Cincinnati Bengals (via Oakland) - Lamar Miller, RB, Miami
Cedric Benson isn't getting any younger. Even with Benson around, the Bengals could use someone with Miller's speed and big play ability. *See my note on Trent Richardson at the bottom of the page

22. Detroit Lions - Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State
Detroit needs to take a note from Green Bay and keep fresh tackle talent on hand for their pass-first offense. This gives them some flexibility with Jeff Backus and the disappointing Gosder Cherilus.

23. Cleveland Browns (via Atlanta) -  Kelechi Osemele, OT, Iowa State
Cleveland needs help along their offensive line. Osemele is a little raw, but he could work on the right side or move inside to guard where his toughness would be a valued asset in the running game. 

24. New York Jets - Dont'a Hightower, OLB, Alabama
Rex Ryan needs a better answer than the injured Bryan Thomas to play opposite Calvin Pace. Hightower has size and speed to make a difference in the Jets' defense. 

25. Denver Broncos - Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor
Assuming Denver commits to Tim Tebow, at least for another year, they have to surround him with some playmakers. Wright's speed gives them a weapon to do some of what Tebow used to do with Percy Harvin during his college days. He can also be a downfield threat. 

26. Houston Texans - Dontari Poe, NT, Memphis
Houston's defense has been great this season. Imagine what they'll do next year with a healthy Mario Williams and 350-pound guy who also possesses the athletic ability of a 300-pound defensive lineman at the nose tackle position. 

27. New England Patriots (from New Orleans) - Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama
New England's defense has been a problem this season, e.g. a game against Rex Grossman that was far closer than it should have been. Jenkins rounds out the secondary and gets a stern head coach to oversee his growth.

28. New England Patriots - Jared Crick, DE, Nebraska
Fact: one, probably both, of these picks will be traded. Supposing for the sake of mock drafts that New England hangs on, they can significantly upgrade their defensive line with Crick. Injuries will prevent him from being drafted in the first half of the round, but the Pats have had good luck taking chances on injured talent in the past. 

29. Pittsburgh Steelers - Cordy Glenn, OL, Georgia
Pittsburgh could use an upgrade on their offensive line, particularly on the outside. Glenn's power fits nicely on the right side, and his wide body would help reroute pass rushers. 

30. San Francisco 49ers - Mohamed Sanu, WR, Rutgers
If San Francisco is going to stick with Alex Smith for the near-term future, they need to get him some receiving help. Sanu allows them to rely on Michael Crabtree less and end the Braylon Edwards experiment. A big, physical target with good hands and yards after the catch ability fits perfectly with Smith's limitations as a quarterback. 

31. Baltimore Ravens - Vontaze Burfict, MLB, Arizona State
Ray Lewis has a few more years left to give. Still, Lewis' injury this year has to be of some concern to the Ravens; after all, he is 36. Lewis is the perfect mentor for a tough young player like Burfict that needs to iron out his mental game. 

32. Green Bay Packers - Devon Still, DL, Penn State
Imagine the Packers with a top ten defense. Frightening. Still would instantly improve their run defense, giving more power up front and allowing the linebackers to do more. 

*What about Trent Richardson? For now, he says he's staying another year at Alabama. That's different than Matt Kalil who never made any public statement about whether or not he was staying in school. If Richardson does turn pro, which he would be smart to do, I'd put him in there for Cincinnati instead of Lamar Miller. The conventional wisdom still says Cleveland, and if he's available with their second pick in the first round, that's a possibility.
 
Originally Posted by henz0

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 @ Barkley to the Dolphins if he comes out

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]what i've been wanting and saying all year.... god i hope this works out.[/color]
[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]just one draft good dolphins... just one...[/color]
 
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 @ Barkley to the Dolphins if he comes out
Please Tebow let this happen. 

Gimme Barkley, Fleener, and Toon and you all will see a grown man weep watching an NFL draft.  Sob more likely.  Total break down of crying.  Uncontrollable. 

Cuz it'll never happen.  I fully expect a DE, Kicker, and another center to be taken.  And Dolphin fans won't laugh at this, they'll cringe.  And close their laptops.  And then pray to Tim. 

  
 
Matt Kalil enters the draft, good news for the Dolphins. 
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A, it puts another top 5 pick into the draft, B it should help Barkley decide to leave without his security blanket. 

Miami gonna be in that 5-8 range, any pick that is not a QB, helps either Barkley or RGIII slide to us.  Barkley is my preference, but I won't cry if Griffin is the pick.  Either one is better than Moore or Henne. 


I hope Montee decides to enter too, I want to see if he was just livin off that Wisky O-Line or not. 
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1 month away from the declare deadline. 
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Originally Posted by CP1708

Matt Kalil enters the draft, good news for the Dolphins. 
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B it should help Barkley decide to leave without his security blanket. 
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Originally Posted by CP1708

Matt Kalil enters the draft, good news for the Dolphins. 
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A, it puts another top 5 pick into the draft, B it should help Barkley decide to leave without his security blanket. 

Miami gonna be in that 5-8 range, any pick that is not a QB, helps either Barkley or RGIII slide to us.  Barkley is my preference, but I won't cry if Griffin is the pick.  Either one is better than Moore or Henne. 


I hope Montee decides to enter too, I want to see if he was just livin off that Wisky O-Line or not. 
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1 month away from the declare deadline. 
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[h1]LaMichael James vs. Lamar Miller[/h1]
Taking a look at a pair of standout running backs from Miami and Oregon. Wes Bunting

December 19, 2011 Print This

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With more and more underclassmen thinking about declaring for the 2012 NFL Draft by the day, the NFP tries to keep pace by breaking down their games and projecting where they stand in regards to the rest of the class.

RB Lamar Miller: Miami (5-11, 212)

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I initially wanted to draft LaMichael James as a compliment to Blount, but I just think he's too small for the NFL. Lamar Miller is going to be a steal for somebody in the 2nd/3rd round. Hope we get em.
 
So at this point, pretty apparent that the Vikes take a corner (Claiborne) in the top 5, yes?

And the Steelers, they have got to take OL in round 1 and maybe even 2 or 3, along with some D-lineman in there.  But I'm wondering, do they take a look at RB at some point?  I keep on think Mendenhal is going to bust out and this year will be the year and all that, and every year it's the same thing from him.  Should they look to upgrade, or at minimum, compliment him with another back? 

That article that Dre posted about Miller and James is similar to stuff I wrote, only much more articulate.  Mine was more like Miller is very good, James runs in the spread option. 
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I got assigned the something Potato bowl last week, and got to watch Robert Turbin, aka Michael Turner Jr.  That kid is nice.  I hope he enters this year as well.  More JR's the better. 
 
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@ "showing you what he is right now...." Do you realize how many quarterbacks showed terrible QB play in their rookie seasons and turned out to be pro
bowlers/hall of famers?

You're taking a generality and applying them to Gabbert.  Show me something else, because you're relying on past occurences of QB's who aren't Gabbert to support your claim that he will get better. Blaine Gabbert will not be a quarterback who turns it around.
Exactly...His biggest flaw is something that is hard to correct. He has no pocket presence...AT ALL.

One reason he doesnt throw deep also is because he isnt very good at it. At least from breaking him down last year.

He would be better with weapons but what is his ceiling unless he suddenly develops a feel for the game? Maybe he can change that but you arent gonna sit around 5 years and wait for the chance he might. He should have never went to a team where he had a chance to play year one.
 
lamichael 5'9 i dunno bout that. how many short skinny rbs are there in the nfl, mccluster, garrett wolfe, leon washington? all the other midgets are bowling balls. i think he'll be good in the nfl but there's not a good archetype for that type of player
 
LaMichael ain't gonna do @#$%.  At best he's gonna be a Sproles type.  And that would be considered a success imo. 

What should Denver do?  They have to build that offense around Tebow, they need a damn TE for one to help not only block in the run game, but give him a weapon he can use, and hopefully they get him some WR's with 20 foot wingspans. 
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Orrrrrrr, do they continue to absolutely build upon that defense, and make it Baltimore-Pittsburghesque? 
I suppose the easy route would be just take BPA and slot that guy in on their roster, but I'm interested to see how they handle the draft.  They're gonna need a RB at some point too, McGahee won't last forever, and Moreno is just as likely to get hurt again, and with them running 40+ times a game, wear and tear will pile up regardless. 
 
Man, McShay has Jarvis Jones going to Pit. If he declares, and the Jets don't pick him or any other 3-4 pass rushing OLB, Tannebaum HAS to be fired.
 
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Matt Barkley, Robert Griffin and Landry Jones all currently leaning toward STAYING in school according to Tony Pauline.
 
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ckparrot Chris Kouffman
Matt Barkley, Robert Griffin and Landry Jones all currently leaning toward STAYING in school according to Tony Pauline.
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