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Despite those doctored video's there has been no proof of life- that's why.Originally Posted by I R Andre
I already answered most of your comments. You said Osama is dead ? Explain the constant release of new tapes, mentioning new events
I already did, they answered nothing.
They bodied every point you made, just not the answer you wanted.
I already answered most of your comments.
No you didn't what you did do tho is write a bunch of stuff thinking no one was gonna actually read it. I did, and then explained and refuted all your points and "facts".
No.
and nice proof of Osama being dead, you really convinced me there
Originally Posted by Hazeleyed Honey
Originally Posted by MidEastBeast
So we have an audio tape of KSM himself admitting to the 9/11 attacks without any torture. He gets captured, and then writes another confession letter. First confession was to a journalist without any torture. Secondly, Fouda lied about the dates to escape the myths that it was him who gave KSM away to the U.S. There are doubts about that and the real date of the tape, but it was dropped BEFORE he was captured, and no one is doubting what was in it. KSM says he was misquoted afterwards when trying to deny involvement, but he had already spilled the beans and sounded damn proud of the attacks. This interview is not the only evidence. We have the videos of the hijackers THEMSELVES, osama HIMSELF, and other al-Qaeda leaders.
Who really knows why Fouda lied, but he did. Again, it was a distorted audio tape. KSM says they misquoted him and fabricated portions of it and exaggerated it. So then again now, all you have is Fouda's word and KSM's word.
Obviously they are ther for self interest. That means nothng. Like I said before, it is a contract, and they were chosen by the elected Iraqi officials. Why are you even arguing this at this point ? The Iraqi's keep their money and can easily kick them out and mine their own oil once they have the technology.
But you are trying to claim is not for oil profits on behalf of the occupiers. I showed you how it is. I doubt Iraqis will kick them out and I guarantee you it will be the oil conglomerates who will get the most profits out of this. The instance Iraqi regime would even think of threatening the oil grip by these companies, you can damn well bet that regime would be overthrown. The U.S. went to war with Saddam because he was threatening the Western oil distribution and supply by annexing Kuwait. That is why this regime propped up in place is ensured by the Allies to be more favourable to Western interests.
Once again, you ignore my question. If the tape is fake why isn't Osama or al-Qaeda saying so ? Secondly, the FBI hasn't listed it because there is not enough direct evidence linking the man himself to the attack. KSM was the one who was chief of the operation, not Osama. The tape only shows Osama and al-Qaeda claiming responsibility. All we know for sure is that al-Qaeda was the group that carried out the attacks. If this really was an inside the job then the opposite would be true, the FBI would have immedietely put up Osama as wanted for 9/11... no ? Either way, not charging him does not mean he is innocent and you have not a shred of evidence that points to U.S involvement, but there is plenty pointing to al-Qaeda, including Osama and the Hijackers OWN WORDS.
Is Osama even alive?Who knows where the hell he is. As for Al-Qaeda, as I said, they are not real and are just propped up. None of them in these copy cat Al-Qaeda groups know enough about the authenticity of these tapes.
But you claim there is no evidence point to Bin Laden's involvement. Isn't Bin Laden supposedly the mastermind and the one who ordered the attacks? That is what the government and the CIA have been feeding people all these years. All I am saying is that the videotapes, audiotapes, etc., there is no guaranteed verification they are authentic or even real. No proof that Al-Qaeda was behind the attacks nor that Osama was.
? We already know who all the hiackers are. They made tapes before the attacks, they are documented as dead. None are "alive" that was proven false. I wont even talk about your bizzare teory of faked security footage and audio recordings ? Just read the last part of what you wrote again and think about how stupid it sounds. That, and once again, you have ZERO proof.
Again, if their authenticity can be proved and in a federal jury court that it is indeed them with full on clear evident proof, then maybe there is reason to believe it. Supposedly, some of those hijackers were mistaken for others being alive, then where are the real ones? Oh yeah, and they found passports of the hijackers that feel from the debri that hit the towers.Riiiigghhhttttt. That planted evidence is such bullcrap to me.
I question those numbers. First of all, the fact that ANYONE said al-Qaeda already means you are wrong. Al-Qaeda exists, unlike you tried to claim (there are letters between Osama and Zarqawi.... videos of osama calling Zarqawi the prince of Iraq). It says that 7% of "captured" - that doesn't mean the %age of those fighting, especially because most of al-Qaeda's attacks are suicide bombings. Either way, there is no denying al-Qaeda had the largest impact (kicked out U.N, released most propoganda, controlled entire cities, sparked the entire sunni/shia conflict) and did the most damage.
The al-qaeda i am talking about are the ones who are linked the original al-Qaeda and continue to fight against U.S forces and kill civilians.
Again, if the authenticity of this can be proved, then maybe there is a reason to believe it.
I showed you the statistics and that is how it is. There are not that many suicide bombings compared to actual ground battles with these groups. So then that stumps your theory how they are mostly fighting "Al-Qaeda" operatives. The U.S. is mostly fighting locals who joined the resistance movement. Also, as Juan Cole stated, those claiming they are with Al-Qaeda use that term meaning as boogeymen and not the real ones.
As Bush has stated:
A clear strategy begins with a clear understanding of the enemy we face. The enemy in Iraq is a combination of rejectionists, Saddamists and terrorists. The rejectionists are by far the largest group. These are ordinary Iraqis, mostly Sunni Arabs, who miss the privileged status they had under the regime of Saddam Hussein -- and they reject an Iraq in which they are no longer the dominant group. . . .
The second group that makes up the enemy in Iraq is smaller, but more determined. It contains former regime loyalists who held positions of power under Saddam Hussein -- people who still harbor dreams of returning to power. These hard-core Saddamists are trying to foment anti-democratic sentiment amongst the larger Sunni community. . . .
The third group is the smallest, but the most lethal: the terrorists affiliated with or inspired by al Qaeda.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/06/23/al_qaeda/http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/06/23/al_qaeda/http://www.salon.com/opin...wald/2007/06/23/al_qaeda/
Also note how he says that the "smallest" group among those that the U.S. are battling in Iraq, Bush described them not as "Al Qaeda," but as those "affiliated with or inspired by al Qaeda."
MidEast, we are just going around in circles with you. Obviously, you have your own mindset, as we have our own. I believe I answered all your questions logically, but since you believe in your truth, then you will never see it my way as I will never see yours. You say we did not answer you, but we did. As someone states, it is just not the answers you are looking for.
This can go on all damn day and we will still be back at square one.
So again, you ignore the other evidence and say: "all you have is Fouda's word and KSM's word." Nope. We have Osama's word, TheHijackers' words and the U.S governments word.
And since when did western oil companies winning contracts mean that the profits are going "on behalf of the occupiers" - that's flat out wrong.They are being paid to mine oil that the Iraqi's otherwise can't. That's it. Nothing goes to the U.S government.
Again, all the evidence you just go back to the old "no evidence it is authentic" line. The burden of proof is on you, as the conspiracy theorist.Show me proof it is false. Obviously he is alive, he just released a new audio talking about Gaza.
The groups name is called: "al-Qaeda in Iraq". I don't care what bush said. Osama recognized them as al-Qaeda members in Iraq. Their flag saysal-Qaeda on it. Their videos have al-Qaeda stamps on them. You just keep saying "propped" up - Ducktales. al-Qaeda is real and just as dangerous asever.
and yes, we can go on forever. It's pointless discussing it when you get points shot down and keep going back to old statements and clinging to the falsehope that EVERYTHING is fake and forged by the big bad CIA.