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[MakeNTGreatAgain]

Yeah, I actually notice a visible difference in appearance too. In a good way

what about a visible difference in performance?

 

[Tank Top Master]

to me it isn’t all that different than taking a preworkout…at least that’s my understanding of this & folks swear by taking a preworkout every session



i don’t really knock anyone going this route, even as i have come to appreciate gymming, i still recognize how inane it is for most people…ultimately the glp1s will probably get better & be net positive, especially if it is affordable & side effects can be mitigated/decreased.

doing ‘exercise’ in aims to be/maintain fitness for/in an environment that does not require it is pretty absurd so yea most aren’t willing to endure the discipline, discomfort & effort of a gym routine & better diet when the benefits v. consequence aren’t necessarily that existential; at least on the front end

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some just really are into that feeling that comes with increased blood & oxygen that goes along with lifting a certain way, it doesn’t automatically give dudes a stiffy…

You obviously missed the sarcasm in my post but I’ll argue you’re wrong on at least 2 points:

1) the long-term effects of folks without diabeetus taking diabetes meds purely for weight loss are currently unknown. I’d say going to the gym consistently and eating “right” are a lot less absurd than taking drugs designed for a disease you don’t have but. Folks have only been exercising for recreation/performance since at least the Ancient Greeks but do you.

2) Taking boner pills is not the same or even close to taking that #POWDA! Citrulline, beta alanine, caffeine, and a few other substances have years of clinical evidence of efficacy to back up their usage as preworkout supplements. Caffeine for example has been scientifically proven to increase strength in the gym, it’s not even a question of “if” anymore. Taking vasodilators designed for impotence to increase blood flow (aka to get the pump) is not quite the same.

No smoke intended and I say all of that with the caveat that I am just a random dude on an internet forum, but given your post history and your current level of physical skrenf, I’m taking pretty much most things you say ITT with a grain of salt, but I only take stength training advice from folks that are stronger than I am. (We call that in my Air Force Specialty “technique only”.)

 

[Brownstone]

what about a visible difference in performance?

I am doing for visuals mostly, but yes I am now up to 25 lbs for my neck lifts lol

 

[mplsdunk]

I used to squat 5x a week max was 425 at 180 pounds

I never noticed anything negative other that being stiff.

it’s hard to overtrain legs.

 

[mplsdunk]

I never really focused on what I was doing and why. I just like squats, I could probably get more out of it if I actually followed a program or something.

Pause squats will help you get out of the hole if you’re struggling down there.

Don’t just go up and down, give it your all when the weight is heavy enough. Momentum is the name of the game. Fire right up, the plates should be clanking loud.

Front squats will expose issues with your mobility so do those.

I think I’m gonna look of a squat focused program now lifting is getting stale.

 

[Tank Top Master]

I used to squat 5x a week max was 425 at 180 pounds

I never noticed anything negative other that being stiff.

it’s hard to overtrain legs.

A troop that struggled to hit 200 pounds and who showed up in sweats to the gym as I was on my way out was talmbout "I hit legs last week". I'm like kid, it's already this week again.

He talmbout "I can only hit legs once a week, that's how long it takes for them to not feel sore anymore and be recovered."


I reminded him that soreness is not an indication of recovery, and that he probably feels sore because he's only hitting the largest muscle group in his body (at most if he doesn't skip/miss) once a week.

But I'm just an old head soup, word to Campbell's, that totals like twice what he does so...

 

[mplsdunk]

A troop that struggled to hit 200 pounds and who showed up in sweats to the gym as I was on my way out was talmbout "I hit legs last week". I'm like kid, it's already this week again.

He talmbout "I can only hit legs once a week, that's how long it takes for them to not feel sore anymore and be recovered."


I reminded him that soreness is not an indication of recovery, and that he probably feels sore because he's only hitting the largest muscle group in his body (at most if he doesn't skip/miss) once a week.

But I'm just an old head soup, word to Campbell's, that totals like twice what he does so...

People are soft man, I tried that excuse and my trainer told me to man up and start lifting and you’ll be good once you warm up.

What do you know? The man who’s nick name is “quads” knows what he’s talking about.

I’m old too, you lift way heavier than me but I’ll be dambed if I’m not reping out 3 plates as long as my body allows me.

 

[Tank Top Master]

I never really focused on what I was doing and why. I just like squats, I could probably get more out of it if I actually followed a program or something.

Pause squats will help you get out of the hole if you’re struggling down there.

Don’t just go up and down, give it your all when the weight is heavy enough. Momentum is the name of the game. Fire right up, the plates should be clanking loud.

Front squats will expose issues with your mobility so do those.

I think I’m gonna look of a squat focused program now lifting is getting stale.

All fax, it's a shame this site doesn't have a rep system.

Dudes are either real lazy or real ignant and think your legs will fall off at the hips if you squat more than once a week. These the same dudes look at me like I'm performing black magic if I pull out different shoes to squat in than the ones I walked into the gym in, have more than 3 sets, or rest longer than 90 seconds though.

 

[tokes99]

You obviously missed the sarcasm in my post but I’ll argue you’re wrong on at least 2 points:

1) the long-term effects of folks without diabeetus taking diabetes meds purely for weight loss are currently unknown. I’d say going to the gym consistently and eating “right” are a lot less absurd than taking drugs designed for a disease you don’t have but. Folks have only been exercising for recreation/performance since at least the Ancient Greeks but do you.

2) Taking boner pills is not the same or even close to taking that #POWDA! Citrulline, beta alanine, caffeine, and a few other substances have years of clinical evidence of efficacy to back up their usage as preworkout supplements. Caffeine for example has been scientifically proven to increase strength in the gym, it’s not even a question of “if” anymore. Taking vasodilators designed for impotence to increase blood flow (aka to get the pump) is not quite the same.

No smoke intended and I say all of that with the caveat that I am just a random dude on an internet forum, but given your post history and your current level of physical skrenf, I’m taking pretty much most things you say ITT with a grain of salt, but I only take stength training advice from folks that are stronger than I am. (We call that in my Air Force Specialty “technique only”.)

sure i wouldn't say that either thing is so proven or without risk, i understand why some take the glp1 route & don't look down on those that do choose it over exercise, especially being that at face value deliberate exercise is not an enjoyable thing for most, even despite my opinion of unnaturalness of doing exercise for fitness...

with the peen meds, the parallel i was trying to make was that the people that use them are using them like preworkouts, preworkouts which happen contain things that do kind of the same things the pills do only with less potency as well as other things that are not proven like proprietary blends...i know folk that take preworkout exclusively for the pump they think it derives & claim it makes their lifts more enjoyable, my understanding is that is how they are using the boner pills, i'm sure they recognize the distinction is the risk/potential side effects i guess

I used to squat 5x a week max was 425 at 180 pounds

I never noticed anything negative other that being stiff.

it’s hard to overtrain legs.

people can & do manage to sustain training things more than is necessary, doing so can run them down, prematurely ultimately limiting and/or decreasing performance

 

[mplsdunk]

The thing with squats is there is so many variations they never get old, you could pretty much just squat and hit some accessory work for the rest of your body and you’ll be built like a brick **** house if you’re eating and going heavy enough.

 

[mplsdunk]

I get that people can over train but I don’t think it’s common. At one point this whole thread was running ed coen dl and the smallest guys were pulling 5 wheels.

The average joe isn’t over training.

 

[Tank Top Master]

People are soft man, I tried that excuse and my trainer told me to man up and start lifting and you’ll be good once you warm up.

What do you know? The man who’s nick name is “quads” knows what he’s talking about.

I’m old too, you lift way heavier than me but I’ll be dambed if I’m not reping out 3 plates as long as my body allows me.

Softer than baby skulls.


These be young jits that haven't even seen 25 winters. I'm like you way weaker than I am but you should have the power of youth on your side, word to Guy Sensei.

 

[Tank Top Master]

I get that people can over train but I don’t think it’s common. At one point this whole thread was running ed coen dl and the smallest guys were pulling 5 wheels.

The average joe isn’t over training.

No disrespect to old buddy but he just doesn't get it IMO.

The folks doing CrossFit 5/6 days a week, running marathons on their off days, and rucking during lunch breaks are the ones in danger of overtraining, not the folks squatting more than three sets a week.

I've literally recounted on here how I was squatting up to 10x a week while still doing FB workouts and cardio afterwards for over two months straight and only encountered problems with recovery once I got sick of deployment food and stopped eating enough to recover, and I'm as regular as it comes genetically.
(I was also working 7 days a week for a majority of that time.)

Some folks just won't believe it though.

 

[tokes99]

I get that people can over train but I don’t think it’s common. At one point this whole thread was running ed coen dl and the smallest guys were pulling 5 wheels.

The average joe isn’t over training.

depends on the who, the average joe likely isn't training at all...then the average gym goer probably trends more towards cardio & machines, maybe once you get it to the subset of gym regulars that actually care about lifting could even be receptive of the idea that doing some squat variation 5 times a week could a good thing

homie was asking about increasing strength, not that concerned about size, & wanting to manage recovery...strength training is pretty robust so there are for sure a bunch of different routes to getting stronger but if someone is putting their premium on increasing strength, an approach that has less frequency allows for more recovery & rest such that one is able to perform maximally makes sense

 

[mplsdunk]

exactly, he said he wanted to put on strength.

Squat is GOAT for that, tank top said you don’t have to go heavy all the time any mix it up.

Idk it’s a hate it or love it technique obviously but I think that’s the easiest way to pack on a **** ton of strength.

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with squatting as much as you can provided your technique is good.

I’m gonna squat everytime I lift again now.

 

[mplsdunk]

No disrespect to old buddy but he just doesn't get it IMO.

The folks doing CrossFit 5/6 days a week, running marathons on their off days, and rucking during lunch breaks are the ones in danger of overtraining, not the folks squatting more than three sets a week.

I've literally recounted on here how I was squatting up to 10x a week while still doing FB workouts and cardio afterwards for over two months straight and only encountered problems with recovery once I got sick of deployment food and stopped eating enough to recover, and I'm as regular as it comes genetically.
(I was also working 7 days a week for a majority of that time.)

Some folks just won't believe it though.

Like you said as long as you’re eating and sleeping give ‘er hell. Getting injured from bad technique and over training are two different things.

Squats aren’t deadlifts, you aren’t frying your cns like that and risking injury by going heavy all the time.

I’ve mentioned it before but I went from 120 pounds weight to a 1200 pound total at 165 pounds in a little over a year. I’m not the strongest in here but I probably packed on the most weight/strength in the shortest time. I couldn’t even squat or bench 95 pounds.

Once you go down that rabbit hole you aren’t coming back.

Look at those Chinese oly lifters, all they do is squat.

 

[Tank Top Master]

homie was asking about increasing strength, not that concerned about size, & wanting to manage recovery...strength training is pretty robust so there are for sure a bunch of different routes to getting stronger but if someone is putting their premium on increasing strength, an approach that has less frequency allows for more recovery & rest such that one is able to perform maximally makes sense

Anyone who has a solid grasp of manipulating training variables knows this is not inherently the case. More rest =/= better maximal performance.

When you manipulate the variable of frequency by increasing it, you must correspondingly decrease another variable (intensity, density, volume, etc.).

Anyone who has ever read about or trained using the Bulgarian Method, GZCL UHF, Grease the Groove, etc. knows this. Nobody said go out and do GVT 10x10 for five days a week.

Again, this is a free discussion space but a lot of your takes when it comes to lifting (and powerlifting) are especially novice.

 

[mplsdunk]

Also I’m guessing you at least have a solid base line before you try one of those methods.

 

[Tank Top Master]

Also I’m guessing you at least have a solid base line before you try one of those methods.

If you're referring to my post, then yeah, you have to have good form (i.e. know what you're doing to be able to squat multiple times a week and not get injured just from being under the bar.)

Some of the methods are more advanced than others, so if things like autoregulation aren't intuitive concepts (yet), someone probably wouldn't be well-served by something like the Bulgarian Method.

Be advised that all of those methods (except GtG really) are primarily aimed at powerlifting, so any theoretical folks that only want to 'tone' or 'stay active', 'get in shape', or have whatever other non-strength sport goal aren't really viable candidates for these methods.

 

[mplsdunk]

yeah thats what I was referring to.

It’s not hard to get to that level but don’t just go in the gym on new years and start the Bulgarian method.

 

[Tank Top Master]

yeah thats what I was referring to.

It’s not hard to get to that level but don’t just go in the gym on new years and start the Bulgarian method.

FWIW, anecdotally I was only squatting for about 2.5 yrs before I first did the Bulgarian Method and added over 120 lbs to my wrapped total in 11 weeks. (135 pounds if we're being more accurate, but my final LBBS might have not gotten 3 white lights on the the platform. )

I was also working more hours per week than I ever had/have since in my life, training a "friend" in the gym as well, still doing cardio, and sleeping in a tent in a possible war zone, so who knows what I could have done if I was at home.

 

[tokes99]

y'all making good points, i don't claim to be an expert and i'm sure there are approaches, methods, & programs that have much more frequency than others that produce great results...if someone was doing 1 leg day per week, not that focused on increasing muscle size, concerned about strength & managing rest, would the general recommendation be to increase their squat frequency 5x knowing only that? i have never run any programs & did note that the best approach was probably to find a program; as a simple heuristic to be able to progressively overload lifts generally more time less is going to be more for most

 

[mplsdunk]

what are the goals?

I did it because I liked squatting and wanted to up my max and wanted to see if I'd die or anything bad would happen and it didn't. it was totally fine.

you could run 3x a week total body and see tons of gains if you're going hard. everyone has to find what they like.

 

[tokes99]

what are the goals?

I did it because I liked squatting and wanted to up my max and wanted to see if I'd die or anything bad would happen and it didn't. it was totally fine.

you could run 3x a week total body and see tons of gains if you're going hard. everyone has to find what they like.

true, more info about where man is currently & what he is aiming for could help the 'prescription' be more helpful...we all have our different approaches, goals, & preferences