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It's no diff than Fett, Jabba, Maul, Dokuu, Grievous, but it's some crime now.
Stahp.
Each and every one of these characters has had more plot relevance and screentime than Captain "Kenny McCormick" Phasma
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It's no diff than Fett, Jabba, Maul, Dokuu, Grievous, but it's some crime now.
See this is that revisionist history.Was Boba not tossed away in the OT?
Phasma can be a cool, tiny piece of a larger story and not be needed for all 3 films. It's no diff than Fett, Jabba, Maul, Dokuu, Grievous, but it's some crime now.
You do know what a space probe is right?In fact, while we're here, those bombs "dropped" without gravity that everyone *****es about.......weren't they "droppin" mines and probes in Empire?
Yes they were.
See this is that revisionist history.
Just stop You do know what a space probe is right?
You do know what a ****ing mine is right?
Mines and probes are released. Probes aren't even incendiary devices. They can be controlled and maneuvered. Can t even be sure what you're referring to cuz I don't recall anything ESB comparing to the bombs dropping on the dreadnaught in TLJ.
That was a scene where Rian solely went for style and dramatic effect over logic and substance. Plain and simple.
Be serious with these weak *** comparisons.
And to give the more direct reasoning, when a movie is really good ppl don't feel the need to go picking a part smaller inconsistencies.
LOL people are now saying Prequels are better. If that's not revisionist i don't know what is. It's okay to have problems with the film, no one's saying it's perfect. But the whole point is, this isn't the OT and I sense that people are expecting something old AND something new at the same time. The funny thing is I thought they did that well. To each his own for sure.Saw the movie tonight..I enjoyed it and the whole family had fun..Sounds like some of y'all go to the movies with notebooks and pencils and spend more time analyzing every single little thing than just sitting back and enjoying a movie..But to each their own I guess..
I read it.Hi, if you backread I already explained the physics involved in the bomb scene. Feel free to counter the analysis I did. You may have some trouble but respect if you could.
CLUE:they're not just "dropping" the bomb. Maybe when you rewatch it you can pay attention and re evaluate.
That's not revionism.LOL people are now saying Prequels are better. If that's not revisionist i don't know what is.
See this is that revisionist history.
Trying to compare Phasma to Maul? Did Maul not have an entire movie where he was the main threat? Did Dooku not have the same before dying? Same for Grievous and Jabba. You are purposely being daft and here.
All of those characters you mentioned have had far more screen time than Phasma in the movies they were in.
Boba's Fett ends up having a movie explain most of his origin. They're not gonna be prequel movies for these sequels.
Just stop this bull **** defending man. Doesn't even hold up to criticism.
You do know what a space probe is right?
You do know what a ****ing mine is right?
Mines and probes are released. Probes aren't even incendiary devices. They can be controlled and maneuvered. Can't even be sure what you're referring to cuz I don't recall anything in ESB that compaed to the bombs dropping on the dreadnaught in TLJ. It was a whole damn slow motion scene to depict it.
That was a scene where Rian solely went for style and dramatic effect over logic and substance. Plain and simple.
Be serious with these weak *** comparisons.
And to give the more direct reasoning, when a movie is really good ppl don't feel the need to go picking a part smaller inconsistencies.
But I've said it before when other comparisons were made. The OT isn't that good anyway. I don't place those movies on some high pedestal but if everybody else is gonna act like they're all time classics and try to pretend TLJ is touching some high bar of storytelling it'll have to face the same criticism and it doesn't hold up.
Can't you read and understand instead of reaching for things to laugh about?
Jabba had a movie about him?
Dokuu did? Grievous?
You don't know the difference between a probes/mine and bombs dropping. Nevermind the fact you're bringing up Empire Strikes Back to make this argumentSo, you just argued against mines and probes dropping, yet don't remember the scene, so you're just arguing to argue?
Nicely done CP.The Tie fighters looking for the Falcon were dropping "bombs" or probes, or mines that did not their own navigation or engines, they straight dropped from the fighters, in no gravity. Same as this one.
No need to go back and watch, you can just argue about it blindly anyways.
Do we have an answer as to why we the viewer should be invested in Rey?
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand this is the problem. You disagree with the science that was laid out, but can't counter it. So all you can say is "nah". This just proves that some are hell bent in finding any kind of flaw that even when it's debunked, you still stick to it in the most eloquent fashion.I read it.
Nah.
That's not revionism.
Do we have an answer as to why we the viewer should be invested in Rey?
Do we have an answer as to why we the viewer should be invested in Rey?
Can't you read and understand instead of reaching for things to laugh about?
I said Boba Fett basically had a movie explaining his origin. Attack of the Clones. Why are you purposely being daft? Laughing about it and acting like your assumption is what I intended? Its a bull **** way of putting words in my mouth. Where in my post did I say Grievous or Jabba had a movie about them? Its ridiculous.
All of those other dudes you mentioned; Maul, Jabba, Grievous, Dooku had more screen time than Phasma in both her appearances in TFA and TLJ combined. That's the difference. You telling me you can't grasp two different reasonings for why those characters are different from the Phasma situation?
Stop the bull **** man.
You don't know the difference between a probes/mine and bombs dropping. Nevermind the fact you're bringing up Empire Strikes Back to make this argument
Nicely done CP.
Quote a post about me talking about your Bull**** defense of Rian's use of Phasma and talk to me about the nonsensical gravity bomb dropping scenes while you compare it to another SW movie.
I'll cut to the chase, they were both **** scenes. Nevermind you ignoring what I said is the difference between ESB and TLJ.
You're entire angle to defend this movie is but what about this other SW movie where they did similar. You seem to think if bull **** is consistently presented in a movie more than once it makes it okay to do it again.
Nevermind this is all you sidestepping and excusing poor storytelling by literally saying they did it in the OT and PT
The answer is we saw her alone on jakku fending for herself. With the mystery of her parents leaving her there and that she's never left because she thinks they're coming back.Do we have an answer as to why we the viewer should be invested in Rey?
The Last Jedi 6.4/8.
I liked it for what it was. A tad too long. Wasn't ESB level and I am not as hyped about Rian helming his own trilogy but it wasn't bad at all and I mean that from a story perspective. A few sub par subplots if it was aiming for greatness but its all in the Star Wars ballpark. I definitely enjoyed the movie.
This movie was intentionally humorous but unintentionally hilarious. I'll get right to that fakeout with Leia That's what my YOOOOO post was about. 30 min or so in to this movie and you try to create a dramatic tense life threatening scene and almost landed it until you had her tap in to the force and literally fly back to her blown a part ship. Like the sole purpose of that seemed to be Rian saying hey guys I definitely watched these movies and read stuff cuz as we know Leia was strong with the force so she must be able to use it in some form I swear KK must've been asleep when Rian put that in the script. Pointless imo. I was howling when Leia flew back to the ship Had ppl turning around looking at me cuz mostly everyone else was in awe of it.
I felt like Rian only listened to half of the complaints about JJ's TFA. Finn got a lot more attention this go around and it was all good. The little subplot on the Dubai planet with Rose was cool, exploring the corrupt, amoral elite, the double standards, the whole good guys and bad guys dont pick a side stuff. However, the overall situation that leads to that is just pretty dumb and not compelling. They made a chase through space not exciting. The movie takes place right after TFA and is basically over the span of the resistance main ship losing gas
But yeah, Finn gets some good stuff for him but then Phasma I think is in this movie even less than she was in TFA. I just don't see the point of her character. Like sure it may be hard to develop or even give focus to Kylo, Snoke, Hux, and Phasma but she should've got much more for that showdown to have any gravity to it.
Benecio's character was w/e. He caused about some scenes with lines that spoke to what I liked about the stuff with Finn and Rose. That Justin Theroux cameo though
I liked Rose. Nice touch making her sister the one that just died. I find it interesting that TFA formed that strong bond with Finn and Rey and Finn for Rey specifically and then in this that sorta happens with Finn and Rose. And Finn ends up in a coma at the end of TFA and basically the same happens to Rose although I thought she died until Finn yelled for a medic a few more scenes later.
I get making it seem like the bad guys won for the good guys to win in the end or a meaningful sacrifice like with Luke passing but Vice Admiral Laura Dern's initial sacrifice got the meaning sucked out of it. Only saved by that dope as light speed kamikaze attack.
Hux was more unintentional comedy. All his barking just had me
I gotta say the force can do some more **** that I didn't expect. You got survival in space, force astral projection, and this force version of FaceTime/Skype
That's actually one thing I didn't like about that one plot line. This implied romantic connection between Rey and Kylo. Like imo none of his speeches or reasoning changed his character for me or made him likable. Son can't even go full heel and kill his moms. Son is so beta. Also I said it before but Leia and Han must've been terrible parents to have Ben be so messed up. So I initially didn't get the point of it all. They kept force facetiming and it began to irk me. Cuz more and more as things progressed with Rey and Luke on the island they were really trying to make it seem like her and Kylo had a connection. There's no theme there for it. Its random. I didn't like the implication they'd get together at all. Luckily I got the impression by the 3rd act that won't happen at all. Snoke basically being their Wi-Fi connection explained a lot and was smart given how well he knew Kylo was a little *****.
I'm guessing Snoke's death was suppose to be the twist for this movie. A little much. I mean if its one thing with this trilogy and force users they all seem to be on a higher level than Anakin in the prequels. Only one is a master, other traitor trained by one, Rey is some savant, and Snoke I guess is suppose to mirror Sidious. He just didn't cut it. He was way too arrogant as well. All that mastery of force use and that how it ends?
On to Luke, its interesting how Rian approached the character. In many ways, he didn't evolve or develop at all. Hence, the Yoda appearance. Seems the one situation with Kylo burning his place down, taking some students and killing others really jaded home and doesn't completely lime up with the Luke that was super hopeful, discovered his father was an evil mass murdering bastard and recoiled in shock and fear, was tempted by the dark side, sensed the little bit light left in his pops, and faced the evilest trolling character in the universe and managed to bounce back from all of that. So some kids dying and the betrayal of his nephew should've sent Luke on a journey to kill Snoke and get his nephew back.
Instead he's in denial, gave up and is a grump. Basically brooding like an emo. I didn't care for the force astral projection and death from too much force use. All seemed to tie to wss Luke saying he intended to die on that planet. I would've much rather preferred Luke being on the planet physically with Rey watching, then he would've let himself die the same way Obi-Wan let Vader kill him. Oh well.
The action (while not a lot) was great. I loved the fight with those praetorian guards. Were those guys suppose to be the Knights of Ruen but with promotions to the all red guard?
This visuals were 100% on point.
Only question I really have is who was Snoke. I read posts in here saying that that was explained but I must've missed it Somebody let me know
You a misogynist if you don’t breh
Yes, cause of this
You don't have to. I don't. Pick someone else.
Are you a white orphan farmboy with super powers that has family issues?
Much more interesting when you were arguing plot points.
Hasn't rewatched it, but seems to be changing sides of the argument.
Yes, cause of this
I disagree with your interpretation which is why I never addressed it.Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand this is the problem.
You convienently leave out of my quote when I explain what revisionism is and give an example.That's not revisionism?
Did you read my review?Let us all remember Zik likes this movie and without a second viewing is suddenly on the other side arguing against it.
Does that movie not explain where Boba came from, who his father was and basically lay out the path to him being what we see in the OT?Attack of the Clones was somehow a Boba Fett origin movie.........I......whatever.
If you don't know the difference do not speak on it.There's a difference between mines, probes, or bombs dropping in zero gravity. K.
Telling movie viewers to go read a book is not an excuse for poor storytelling in a movie.Phasma, who is just a shiny stormtrooper, is somehow terrible without more context, even tho there's an entire novel on her.
EXECUSESA staple of Star Wars lore, to expand on the characters thru various other means than just film. Cartoons, comics, books, TV shows, etc. But we'll just ignore that and bash Rian, who's been nothing but praised by the critics AND Disney.
Again, you do know WHY I liked it right?And again, Zik liked this movie, said it himself, but now we here.
Honestly, did you read that? Do you not SEE what was said?Hasn't rewatched it, but seems to be changing sides of the argument.The Last Jedi 6.4/8.
I liked it for what it was. A tad too long. Wasn't ESB level and I am not as hyped about Rian helming his own trilogy but it wasn't bad at all and I mean that from a story perspective. A few sub par subplots if it was aiming for greatness but its all in the Star Wars ballpark. I definitely enjoyed the movie.
This movie was intentionally humorous but unintentionally hilarious. I'll get right to that fakeout with Leia That's what my YOOOOO post was about. 30 min or so in to this movie and you try to create a dramatic tense life threatening scene and almost landed it until you had her tap in to the force and literally fly back to her blown a part ship. Like the sole purpose of that seemed to be Rian saying hey guys I definitely watched these movies and read stuff cuz as we know Leia was strong with the force so she must be able to use it in some form I swear KK must've been asleep when Rian put that in the script. Pointless imo. I was howling when Leia flew back to the ship Had ppl turning around looking at me cuz mostly everyone else was in awe of it.
I felt like Rian only listened to half of the complaints about JJ's TFA. Finn got a lot more attention this go around and it was all good. The little subplot on the Dubai planet with Rose was cool, exploring the corrupt, amoral elite, the double standards, the whole good guys and bad guys dont pick a side stuff. However, the overall situation that leads to that is just pretty dumb and not compelling. They made a chase through space not exciting. The movie takes place right after TFA and is basically over the span of the resistance main ship losing gas
But yeah, Finn gets some good stuff for him but then Phasma I think is in this movie even less than she was in TFA. I just don't see the point of her character. Like sure it may be hard to develop or even give focus to Kylo, Snoke, Hux, and Phasma but she should've got much more for that showdown to have any gravity to it.
Benecio's character was w/e. He caused about some scenes with lines that spoke to what I liked about the stuff with Finn and Rose. That Justin Theroux cameo though
I liked Rose. Nice touch making her sister the one that just died. I find it interesting that TFA formed that strong bond with Finn and Rey and Finn for Rey specifically and then in this that sorta happens with Finn and Rose. And Finn ends up in a coma at the end of TFA and basically the same happens to Rose although I thought she died until Finn yelled for a medic a few more scenes later.
I get making it seem like the bad guys won for the good guys to win in the end or a meaningful sacrifice like with Luke passing but Vice Admiral Laura Dern's initial sacrifice got the meaning sucked out of it. Only saved by that dope as light speed kamikaze attack.
Hux was more unintentional comedy. All his barking just had me
I gotta say the force can do some more **** that I didn't expect. You got survival in space, force astral projection, and this force version of FaceTime/Skype
That's actually one thing I didn't like about that one plot line. This implied romantic connection between Rey and Kylo. Like imo none of his speeches or reasoning changed his character for me or made him likable. Son can't even go full heel and kill his moms. Son is so beta. Also I said it before but Leia and Han must've been terrible parents to have Ben be so messed up. So I initially didn't get the point of it all. They kept force facetiming and it began to irk me. Cuz more and more as things progressed with Rey and Luke on the island they were really trying to make it seem like her and Kylo had a connection. There's no theme there for it. Its random. I didn't like the implication they'd get together at all. Luckily I got the impression by the 3rd act that won't happen at all. Snoke basically being their Wi-Fi connection explained a lot and was smart given how well he knew Kylo was a little *****.
I'm guessing Snoke's death was suppose to be the twist for this movie. A little much. I mean if its one thing with this trilogy and force users they all seem to be on a higher level than Anakin in the prequels. Only one is a master, other traitor trained by one, Rey is some savant, and Snoke I guess is suppose to mirror Sidious. He just didn't cut it. He was way too arrogant as well. All that mastery of force use and that how it ends?
On to Luke, its interesting how Rian approached the character. In many ways, he didn't evolve or develop at all. Hence, the Yoda appearance. Seems the one situation with Kylo burning his place down, taking some students and killing others really jaded him and doesn't completely line up with the Luke that was super hopeful, discovered his father was an evil mass murdering bastard and recoiled in shock and fear, was tempted by the dark side, sensed the little bit light left in his pops, and faced the evilest trolling character in the universe and managed to bounce back from all of that. So some kids dying and the betrayal of his nephew should've sent Luke on a journey to kill Snoke and get his nephew back.
Instead he's in denial, gave up and is a grump. Basically brooding like an emo. I didn't care for the force astral projection and death from too much force use. All seemed to tie to was Luke saying he intended to die on that planet. I would've much rather preferred Luke being on the planet physically with Rey watching, then he would've let himself die the same way Obi-Wan let Vader kill him. Oh well.
The action (while not a lot) was great. I loved the fight with those praetorian guards. Were those guys suppose to be the Knights of Ruen but with promotions to the all red guard?
This visuals were 100% on point.
Only question I really have is who was Snoke. I read posts in here saying that that was explained but I must've missed it Somebody let me know
Honestly, did you read that? Do you not SEE what was said?
Its like you read my rating and said well Zik liked it let me rep it. Just gonna hand wave any critique in my post and reply with but you liked it.
Also the unintentional comedy really isn't a good thing. Rian johnson by his own words did not intend for fans to laugh at Leia Mary Poppins'ing herself to survival. I would assume the same for what a joke Hux was.
I know he didn't intend for Kylo to be such a poor uncompelling character either.
But hey, I liked the movie in the end right CP? So why am I pointing out what I didn't like or discussing the movie like everybody else is? I should only blindly praise it since that's what you want.
FOH
None of yall are gonna dictate or call in to question how I express my opinion. Its not black and white like you want it to be.
So you're still on some bull ****.I get it. You wanna be that guy that follows the group, I'm fine with it.