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Originally Posted by rck2sactown
I'm giving this thread another 30 posts max before it goes into full MJ vs Kobe mode.
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Originally Posted by rck2sactown
I'm giving this thread another 30 posts max before it goes into full MJ vs Kobe mode.
Originally Posted by KenJi714
Originally Posted by JordanXI45
Kobe would retire if he had to face the same kind of defenses MJ did. He couldn't take it.and this is why MJ fans are some of the most simple minded fans there are
Kobe is one tough mother @%. He grew up watching 80s basketball . He would have adapted to the 90s basketball plus he got the range to shoot over his defender
He would have retired ?Seriously ? Another
What MJ fans don't realize is MJ played in an era of mediocre athletes and undersized perimeter player. GP probably was the best defender in term of moving laterally quick enough to keep up with Mj but he's still physically at a disadvantage compare to MJ in the low post
Mj had advantage 9 out of 10 times. 3 second violation don't mean crap.
Originally Posted by truthteller
Originally Posted by KenJi714
Originally Posted by JordanXI45
Kobe would retire if he had to face the same kind of defenses MJ did. He couldn't take it.and this is why MJ fans are some of the most simple minded fans there are
Kobe is one tough mother @%. He grew up watching 80s basketball . He would have adapted to the 90s basketball plus he got the range to shoot over his defender
He would have retired ?Seriously ? Another
What MJ fans don't realize is MJ played in an era of mediocre athletes and undersized perimeter player. GP probably was the best defender in term of moving laterally quick enough to keep up with Mj but he's still physically at a disadvantage compare to MJ in the low post
Mj had advantage 9 out of 10 times. 3 second violation don't mean crap.
Yup, MJ is the god but he was very much ahead of his time in terms of athletic guards. The league has since grown into the land of 6'4 + athletic guards who can do it all.
Mj said his toughest defenders were dumars and dennis johnson, two guys who while tuff and crafty were undersized and lacked athleticism. His last shot was against byron russel, so many of todays guards would absolutely fry him. Not attempting to discredit MJ but for all this defensive era stuff i hear , it dam sure wasnt the guards locking people up.
Fouling hard does not mean anything??? Please. Of course fouling is not considered stopping. Plus when they played back then, the hand check rule was still in effect and he still went to the line as many times as he did. Teams like the the Bad Boy Pistons and the Knicks of the 1990's played that way. Even when the Lakers and the Celtics played like that during the battle of the 1980's. Today fouling hard would not matter as much because the league has that under control. No matter how you would put it, like I mentioned in my previous post, Jordan will be living on the line today more so than Kobe, Lebron, Wade because he drove MORE. To my knowledge of watching the NBA for many years, Kobe has not really dominated superior defensive teams like (Detroit in 2004 finals and Boston Celtics in the 2008 Finals and 2011 Finals... I can keep going, but you get the idea). Plus Kobe usually dominated the bottom 10 defensive teams in the league every year. Please don't bring the 81 points, 62 in 3 quarters against Dallas who had no defense at that time or even 61 at the Garden). While Jordan dominated for the most part. Although Detroit eliminated them for 3 straight years, Jordan still put up numbers in those series. Jordan also owns the Knicks and many others. Check the stats. This is coming from a person who saw most of Jordan's career (I was 4 years old when he was drafted in 1984) and Kobe's entire career. So please don't act like you do not know that the new rules cater to perimeter players.Originally Posted by KenJi714
Fouling hard does not mean anything. As matter of fact most of the hard foul back then were overrated. This isn't football. You think 6'6 MJ would get intimidated ? There is no intimidation for player like jordan, kobe, lebron , wade etc. My point is Jordan convert fouls aka from physical defense into freethrow which end up killing the opponent anyway. Fouling IS NOT consider as stopping. MJ is a 80%+ freethrow shooter. Kobe, Wade, Lebron etc aka today superstar perimeter players would have adapted to the defense that MJ faced . They would have gone to the line as much as MJ. So all these MJ homers saying that today superstar would have retired had they play in MJ era etc are idiotsOriginally Posted by scoop99
Although your comments are correct, Jordan in the 1980's drove to the basket relentlessly thus giving him more calls than Kobe, Lebron and Wade. Plus back then, teams will try to foul him so they would put him on the foul line through intimidation. Plus many of the fouls back then would be flagrants and some would be suspensions. I think if Jordan was playing today (1985-1993), he would be living at the line.Originally Posted by KenJi714
MJ attempted 860 Freethrows back in 87. Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Ai never attempted that many in One Season. Please read my original post. And these dudes play in less physical era
Basketball reference.com
By having great athleticism does not equate to great defenders. It helps but you need heart, discipline and anticipation to be a great defender. Many of these great athletes do not have it. An example from this era who was not considered athletic is Bruce Bowen who was the best perimeter defender for almost a decade.Originally Posted by truthteller
Originally Posted by KenJi714
Originally Posted by JordanXI45
Kobe would retire if he had to face the same kind of defenses MJ did. He couldn't take it.and this is why MJ fans are some of the most simple minded fans there are
Kobe is one tough mother @%. He grew up watching 80s basketball . He would have adapted to the 90s basketball plus he got the range to shoot over his defender
He would have retired ?Seriously ? Another
What MJ fans don't realize is MJ played in an era of mediocre athletes and undersized perimeter player. GP probably was the best defender in term of moving laterally quick enough to keep up with Mj but he's still physically at a disadvantage compare to MJ in the low post
Mj had advantage 9 out of 10 times. 3 second violation don't mean crap.
Yup, MJ is the god but he was very much ahead of his time in terms of athletic guards. The league has since grown into the land of 6'4 + athletic guards who can do it all.
Mj said his toughest defenders were dumars and dennis johnson, two guys who while tuff and crafty were undersized and lacked athleticism. His last shot was against byron russel, so many of todays guards would absolutely fry him. Not attempting to discredit MJ but for all this defensive era stuff i hear , it dam sure wasnt the guards locking people up.
Originally Posted by DTruth07
I would like to see how Jordan would've done against a zone defense
Originally Posted by 651akathePaul
Did this really turn into a Kobe vs. MJ thread.Idiots.
Originally Posted by DTruth07
I would like to see how Jordan would've done against a zone defense
Originally Posted by 651akathePaul
Did this really turn into a Kobe vs. MJ thread.Idiots.
Originally Posted by SMASH ADAMS
Originally Posted by airmaxpenny1
People acting like Jordan didn't get protected with calls that all superstars get? Nostalgia gets the best of yall sometimes...
This. Y'all are watching a highlight tape for gods sake.tony allen would have had Jordan's cookies
Originally Posted by airmaxpenny1
Cause one series is his whole career? Ok...Originally Posted by Seymore CAKE
Originally Posted by airmaxpenny1
People acting like Jordan didn't get protected with calls that all superstars get? Nostalgia gets the best of yall sometimes...
Oh... Really?� Because these are just regular fouls... Show me where they were protecting him...
During the second title run Jordan was the benefactor of many calls, not saying it takes away from him in the slightest, just more getting at the�fact�that everybody likes to remember the previous era in a more positive light. �Like we're sweating over the D deservedly, but its the NBA finals...The defense always gets ramped up to another level and the whistles get swallowed at this time (unless your the {}).
Classic.Originally Posted by Janitor
A few weeks ago my girl and I were making breakfast with NBA TV on in the background, and they ran Game 2 of the 96 finals. We stopped so I could point out two things to her:
-the shoes on MJ's feet
-Glove's steal -> dunk -> stare
90's basketball man.
Originally Posted by mikedamz
look at MJ and now look at this guy... supposedly one of the biggest elite stars of today.�
Originally Posted by mikedamz
LBJ is not a good actor! i can't remember the last time i saw MJ flop like that. seriously...
It's a different sport now, unfortunatelyOriginally Posted by Naija Nitemare
Most of that defense would be called a foul nowadays