So we're honoring homosexuals now?

[hueyp in louiev]

How is all pedophilia forced sex?

You make no sense.

If an 18 year old has sex with a 16 year old in NY state its considered pedophilia...even if the 16 year old vigorously pursued the encounter.

How is that forced?

And I never compared homosexuality with bestiality...so you can cut that out too.

 

[nako xl]

Originally Posted by HueyP in LouieV


How is all pedophilia forced sex?

You make no sense.

If an 18 year old has sex with a 16 year old in NY state its considered pedophilia...even if the 16 year old vigorously pursued the encounter.

How is that forced?

no, actually it isn't...

you don't know the law...

Originally Posted by HueyP in LouieV

This is what kills me...the people that laugh and point from the sideline, questioning other peoples intelligence and logic...tend to usually say the stupidest things.

How you gonna laugh at other people and call them ignorant..and then call incest and pedophilia forced sex and illegal worldwide? It shows that you have no clue what you are talking about.

 

[duba169]

how are people comparing pedophilia and bestiality to homosexuality?? 2 consenting adults can make a rational decision to have butt sex. The same can't besaid for a minor or an animal. Horrible argument right along with the "they can't procreate" argument.

wasn't this thread about an award?? I don't see how gay people could be happy with this award let alone straight people, especially with perez hiltonas a nominee

 

[hueyp in louiev]

Originally Posted by Nako XL

Originally Posted by HueyP in LouieV


How is all pedophilia forced sex?

You make no sense.

If an 18 year old has sex with a 16 year old in NY state its considered pedophilia...even if the 16 year old vigorously pursued the encounter.

How is that forced?

no, actually it isn't...

you don't know the law...

In law enforcement, the term "pedophile" is generally used to describe those accused or convicted of the sexual abuse of a minor (including both prepubescent children and adolescent minors younger than the local age of consent).

The age of consent in New York is 17.

The offense will be more serious depending on relative ages, thus:

• Sex with a person under 17 is a misdemeanor if the perpetrator is at least 16 (see infra). ("Sexual misconduct," NY Penal Law § 130.20.)
• Sex with a person under 17 is a Class "E" felony if the perpetrator is at least 21. ("Rape in the third degree," NY Penal Law § 130.25; "Criminal sexual act in the third degree," NY Penal Law § 130.40.)
• Sex with a person under 15 is a Class "D" violent felony if the perpetrator is at least 18. However, it is a defense to this charge if an 18 year-old perpetrator proves by a preponderance that he or she was less than four years older than the victim. This is not a defense to any other charge that might apply, i.e., Sexual misconduct, supra. ("Rape in the second degree," NY Penal Law § 130.30; "Criminal sexual act in the second degree," NY Penal Law § 130.45.)
• Sex with a person under 13 is a Class "B" violent felony if the perpetrator is at least 18. ("Rape in the first degree," NY Penal Law § 130.35[4]; "Criminal sexual act in the first degree," NY Penal Law § 130.50[4].)
• Sex with a person under 11 is a Class "B" violent felony if the perpetrator is at least 16. ("Rape in the first degree," NY Penal Law § 130.35[3]; "Criminal sexual act in the first degree," NY Penal Law § 130.5

Fail again?

 

[sn00pee]

you know damn well an 18 year old sleeping with a 16yo aint pedo in no such way

 

[shoxbb433]

Ima side with Huey P

 

[antonlavey]

NakoXL going in with the logic

 

[hueyp in louiev]

Any more insults that backfire in your face?

Your'e on a roll.

 

[hueyp in louiev]

Originally Posted by sn00pee

you know damn well an 18 year old sleeping with a 16yo aint pedo in no such way

In the law it is.

Its all culturally and regionally determined.

The very fact that Nako had to restrict his flawed logic to American incest laws, shows that he's not even scraping the heart of the argument, as bothincest and homosexuality are global human constructions, the relevance and acceptance of which vary across borders.

 

[nako xl]

Originally Posted by HueyP in LouieV

Originally Posted by Nako XL

Originally Posted by HueyP in LouieV


How is all pedophilia forced sex?

You make no sense.

If an 18 year old has sex with a 16 year old in NY state its considered pedophilia...even if the 16 year old vigorously pursued the encounter.

How is that forced?

no, actually it isn't...

you don't know the law...

In law enforcement, the term "pedophile" is generally used to describe those accused or convicted of the sexual abuse of a minor (including both prepubescent children and adolescent minors younger than the local age of consent).

The age of consent in New York is 17.

The offense will be more serious depending on relative ages, thus:

• Sex with a person under 17 is a misdemeanor if the perpetrator is at least 16 (see infra). ("Sexual misconduct," NY Penal Law § 130.20.)
• Sex with a person under 17 is a Class "E" felony if the perpetrator is at least 21. ("Rape in the third degree," NY Penal Law § 130.25; "Criminal sexual act in the third degree," NY Penal Law § 130.40.)
• Sex with a person under 15 is a Class "D" violent felony if the perpetrator is at least 18. However, it is a defense to this charge if an 18 year-old perpetrator proves by a preponderance that he or she was less than four years older than the victim. This is not a defense to any other charge that might apply, i.e., Sexual misconduct, supra. ("Rape in the second degree," NY Penal Law § 130.30; "Criminal sexual act in the second degree," NY Penal Law § 130.45.)
• Sex with a person under 13 is a Class "B" violent felony if the perpetrator is at least 18. ("Rape in the first degree," NY Penal Law § 130.35[4]; "Criminal sexual act in the first degree," NY Penal Law § 130.50[4].)
• Sex with a person under 11 is a Class "B" violent felony if the perpetrator is at least 16. ("Rape in the first degree," NY Penal Law § 130.35[3]; "Criminal sexual act in the first degree," NY Penal Law § 130.5

Fail again?

@ you wikipedia'ing the word pedophile as yourauthoritative force, then citing "is generally used to describe..."

In NY state if an 18 yr old has sex with a 16 yr old, it is not even a felony. and truth be told, 9.9/10 would not even be prosecuted.

18 year olds who commit sexual misconduct are not "pedophiles." I don't know the law outside of the northeast very well so i wont argue that thesame would hold true in say a Maryland where statutory rape is a stricter violation (though it's a strict liability offense in NY as well) but you'reintentionally mis-using the term "pedophile" to brace your argument. now a 21 year old with a 16 year old, i might entertain you.

you're boring tonight haze. not to mention straying dangerously far off your original point.

you tried to argue that having sex with your sister, a 10 yr old, or a cow was the same as two adults consenting to sleep with each other.

someone called you on your !#@% and you yelled "what about if it's you 3rd cousin twice removed?!" "what if the minor is 16 and 345 daysand the PEDOPHILE'S 18??? what then?!!"

 

[hueyp in louiev]

Originally Posted by Nako XL

@ you wikipedia'ing the word pedophile as your authoritative force, then citing "is generally used to describe..."

In NY state if an 18 yr old has sex with a 16 yr old, it is not even a felony. and truth be told, 9.9/10 would not even be prosecuted.

18 year olds who commit sexual misconduct are not "pedophiles." I don't know the law outside of the northeast very well so i wont argue that the same would hold true in say a Maryland where statutory rape is a stricter violation (though it's a strict liability offense in NY as well) but you're intentionally mis-using the term "pedophile" to brace your argument. now a 21 year old with a 16 year old, i might entertain you.

you're boring tonight haze. not to mention straying dangerously far off your original point.

How did I know you would have something to say about Wikipedia?

Next time i'll do an hour Lexus Nexus search to present the same exact information...just for you. Ok?

Who said anything about it being a felony? Can you show where that was mentioned?

The fact remains that it is legally an act of pedophilia.

Even in the case of a 16 year old an 21 year old...how is that necessarily forced sex?

You keep with the insult and condescension...but you have said one thing that refutes the parrallels between homosexuality, incest and pedophilia.

Sounds like you're hoping that the discussion will degenerate into insults, so that your subtle exposure will be forgotten.

No one is twisting the definition of pedophilia...the law is in black and white. I'm not making it up.

And we aren't even talking about other cultures yet, where marrying and sleeping with someone half your age is not only accepted but encouraged.

 

[guerrilla warfare]

 

[hueyp in louiev]

Originally Posted by Nako XL


you tried to argue that having sex with your sister, a 10 yr old, or a cow was the same as two adults consenting to sleep with each other.

Can you quote where I said anything like that please?


I'm waiting.

When faulty logic falls flat on its face, the lies and exaggeration come out.

I only mentioned bestiality once and it was not in comparison to homosexuality.

Stop making stuff up and grasping for straws.

 

[nako xl]

Originally Posted by HueyP in LouieV

Originally Posted by Nako XL

@ you wikipedia'ing the word pedophile as your authoritative force, then citing "is generally used to describe..."

In NY state if an 18 yr old has sex with a 16 yr old, it is not even a felony. and truth be told, 9.9/10 would not even be prosecuted.

18 year olds who commit sexual misconduct are not "pedophiles." I don't know the law outside of the northeast very well so i wont argue that the same would hold true in say a Maryland where statutory rape is a stricter violation (though it's a strict liability offense in NY as well) but you're intentionally mis-using the term "pedophile" to brace your argument. now a 21 year old with a 16 year old, i might entertain you.

you're boring tonight haze. not to mention straying dangerously far off your original point.

How did I know you would have something to say about Wikipedia?

Next time i'll do an hour Lexus Nexus search to present the same exact information...just for you. Ok?

Who said anything about it being a felony? Can you show where that was mentioned?

The fact remains that it is legally an act of pedophilia.

Even in the case of a 16 year old an 21 year old...how is that necessarily forced sex?

You keep with the insult and condescension...but you have said one thing that refutes the parrallels between homosexuality, incest and pedophilia.

Sounds like you're hoping that the discussion will degenerate into insults, so that your subtle exposure will be forgotten.

No one is twisting the definition of pedophilia...the law is in black and white. I'm not making it up.

And we aren't even talking about other cultures yet, where marrying and sleeping with someone half your age is not only accepted but encouraged.

"I didn't say that!! what I meant was!!! but what if it's your third cousin!!! no no the kind of pedophilia i mean is ... you know! technically it's still pedophilia!!"

you live and die by semantics.

i'm not responding to you anymore. you're tired tonight, off your game. sleep it off, you'll be back tomorrow i'm sure.

where's 36hypno at?

 

[18th letter]

Originally Posted by Nako XL

Originally Posted by HueyP in LouieV

Originally Posted by Nako XL

@ you wikipedia'ing the word pedophile as your authoritative force, then citing "is generally used to describe..."

In NY state if an 18 yr old has sex with a 16 yr old, it is not even a felony. and truth be told, 9.9/10 would not even be prosecuted.

18 year olds who commit sexual misconduct are not "pedophiles." I don't know the law outside of the northeast very well so i wont argue that the same would hold true in say a Maryland where statutory rape is a stricter violation (though it's a strict liability offense in NY as well) but you're intentionally mis-using the term "pedophile" to brace your argument. now a 21 year old with a 16 year old, i might entertain you.

you're boring tonight haze. not to mention straying dangerously far off your original point.

How did I know you would have something to say about Wikipedia?

Next time i'll do an hour Lexus Nexus search to present the same exact information...just for you. Ok?

Who said anything about it being a felony? Can you show where that was mentioned?

The fact remains that it is legally an act of pedophilia.

Even in the case of a 16 year old an 21 year old...how is that necessarily forced sex?

You keep with the insult and condescension...but you have said one thing that refutes the parrallels between homosexuality, incest and pedophilia.

Sounds like you're hoping that the discussion will degenerate into insults, so that your subtle exposure will be forgotten.

No one is twisting the definition of pedophilia...the law is in black and white. I'm not making it up.

And we aren't even talking about other cultures yet, where marrying and sleeping with someone half your age is not only accepted but encouraged.

"I didn't say that!! what I meant was!!! but what if it's your third cousin!!! no no the kind of pedophilia i mean is ... you know! technically it's still pedophilia!!"

you live and die by semantics.

i'm not responding to you anymore. you're tired tonight, off your game. sleep it off, you'll be back tomorrow i'm sure.

where's 36hypno at?

son gonna try go play mind games with 36hypno now

 

[solematic j21]

What do gay people have to say about this?

 

[hueyp in louiev]

Originally Posted by Nako XL


"I didn't say that!! what I meant was!!! but what if it's your third cousin!!! no no the kind of pedophilia i mean is ... you know! technically it's still pedophilia!!"

you live and die by semantics.

i'm not responding to you anymore. you're tired tonight, off your game. sleep it off, you'll be back tomorrow i'm sure.

where's 36hypno at?

Pathetic.

Whether its your cousin, your uncle, your brother or your sister...incest is incest. Whether its 1 year or 30 years over the age of consent...pedophilia ispedophilia.

You're acting like i'm making up new definitions or something. Every single source will give you the same definition.

I said exactly what I meant..you're the one that backtracking talking about felony distinctions and fictionalized rates of incarceration.

To crush your faulty logic even further, what about parts of Asia where 16 year old fight for the right to court and mate with well to do 30 year olds or theprevalence of mother-son incest in Japan?

Its all cultural.

 

[kix4kix]

And polygamy......

 

[sn00pee]

so you think an 18 yo who has sex with a 17 yo is a pedophile?

the prevalence of mother-son incest in Japan?

. you been reading too many mangas or something? there isno prevalence.

 

[hueyp in louiev]

Originally Posted by sn00pee

the prevalence of mother-son incest in Japan?

. you been reading too many mangas or something? there is no prevalence.

[font=VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA, GENEVA]One of the most endogenous societies in the world, Japan has approved of incestuous marriages in court circles even in historical times.(152) Preferred sibling, cousin, uncle-niece and aunt-nephew marriages have been so extensive that genetics experts have discovered that the inbreeding has affected their size and health.(153) How often this incestuous marriage system occurred in traditional Japan is still largely unexplored. One indication of what is likely to be found is a 1959 study by Kubo showing that there were still rural areas in Japan where fathers married their daughters when the mother had died or was incapacitated, "in accordance with feudal family traditions.(154) Kubo concluded that incest was considered "praiseworthy conduct" in many traditional rural families. In the 36 incest cases he studied in Hiroshima, he found that there was often community moral disapproval of the families who lived in open incestuous marriages, but that the participants themselves did not think of it as immoral. In fact, when the father was unavailable to head the family, his son often took over his role and had sex with his sister in order "to end confusion in the order of the home." Other members of the family accepted this incest as normal.

[/font][font=VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA, GENEVA]Western observers even today often notice that Japanese mothers still masturbate their young children during the day in public and at night in the family bed - in order, they say, "to put them to sleep."(156) The average Japanese today sleeps with his or her children until the children are ten or fifteen years old,"(157) - one recent Japanese study found daughters still sleeping with their fathers over 20 percent of the time even after age sixteen.(15 Even when the home contains a dozen rooms or more, parents and grandparents feel "lonely" if they sleep apart from
the children in the family, and therefore go to bed with some child every night (the mean age in one study of children sleeping alone is 12.7 years).(159) Since so many families still practice what is termed dakine co-sleeping - with the parent or grandparent sleeping while physically embracing the child, a practice said to be beneficial to the health of the adult"(160) - and since most Japanese parents still regularly have sexual in-tercourse while the child is in bed with them,(161) one wonders how scholars can continue to maintain that nothing sexual usually happens to the Japanese child in the family bed, particularly since none have yet ask-ed the children themselves about their sexual experiences.[/font]
[font=VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA, GENEVA]
[/font][font=VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA, GENEVA]One of their major findings is that, in addition to the usual father-daughter and sibling incest found in the West, 29 percent of the Japanese calls complained about mother - son incest. This is an extremely high proportion compared to other countries, but about what could be expected considering the common frequency with which Japanese mothers sleep alone with their sons while the father is out having sex with other women - extramarital sex still being the rule for most married men in Japan.(165)[/font]

 

[sn00pee]

if you believe anything in that, then i pray for you.
what about my other question? do you believe a 18 yo who has sex with a 17yo is a pedophile?

 

[hueyp in louiev]

Originally Posted by sn00pee

if you believe anything in that, then i pray for you.
what about my other question? do you believe a 18 yo who has sex with a 17yo is a pedophile?

Im not going to respond to stupid irrelevant questions.

Especially when I present well documented proof of my statements and you chose to ignore it and offer to pray for me instead.

I appreciate the prayers but try picking up a book instead. One of these might work...

• [font=VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA, GENEVA]Michio Kitahara, "Childhood in Japanese Culture." The Journal of Psychohistory17(1989): 43-72; Luciano P. R. Santiago, The Children of Oedipus.' Brother-Sister Incest in Psychiatry, Literature, History and Mythology. Roslyn Heights, N.Y.: Libra Publishing, 1973, pp.83-90.[/font]
• [font=VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA, GENEVA]William J. Schull and James V. Neel, The Effects of Inbreeding in Japanese Children. New York: Harper & Row, 1965; William J. Schull and James V. Neel, "The Effects of Parental Consanguinity and Inbreeding in Hirado, Japan."American Journal of Human Genetics 24(1972): 425-53.[/font]
• [font=VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA, GENEVA]Shunichi Kubo, "Researches on Incest in Japan," Hirosh ima Journal of Medical Science 8(1959): 99-159.[/font]
• [font=VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA, GENEVA]Howard S. Levy and Michiko Kawatani, Trans. Japan's Dirty Old Man.' Sex Adven-tures of Hirota Kicchomu (1628-1717). South Pasadena: Warm-Soft Village Press, 1979, p. 3.[/font]
• [font=VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA, GENEVA]Robert J. Smith & Ella Lury Wiswell, The Women of Suye Mura. Chicago: The University of Chicago Press, 1982, pp~ 68-72; Douglas C. Haring, "Aspects of Per-sonal Character in Japan." In Douglas C. Haring, Ed., Personal Character and Cultural Milieu. Syracuse: Syracuse University Press, 1956, p.416.[/font]
• [font=VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA, GENEVA]John Connor, Takie Sugiyama Lebra, George DeVos and Alan Roland, personal communications.[/font]
• [font=VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA, GENEVA]Joy Hendry, Becoming Japanese.' The World of the Pre-School Child. Manchester: Manchester University Press, 1986, pp.21, 44; Mizushima Kanae, Shin****su Haibun ni Miru Oyako no shinsosei [Parent-child intimacy as seen in sleeping arrangements].[/font]
• [font=VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA, GENEVA]Kitahara, "Childhood in Japanese Culture," p. 54.[/font]
• [font=VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA, GENEVA]Lebra, Japanese Women, " Constraint and Fulfillment Honolulu: University of Hawaii Press, 1984, pp. 176-80.[/font]

• [font=VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA, GENEVA]
  [/font]
• [font=VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA, GENEVA]And your'e the same dude that placed the environment of an a.nus and vagina on the same level...
  
  [/font]

Originally Posted by sn00pee

Originally Posted by GTEK

I highly doubt the genetalia is meant to insert into the place where the body rids itself of toxins.

have you seen the things that come out of the vajayjay?

I'll pray for you too.

 

[sn00pee]

Originally Posted by HueyP in LouieV

Originally Posted by sn00pee

if you believe anything in that, then i pray for you.
what about my other question? do you believe a 18 yo who has sex with a 17yo is a pedophile?

Im not going to respond to stupid irrelevant questions.

Especially when I present well documented proof of my statements and you chose to ignore it and offer to pray for me instead.

I appreciate the prayers but try picking up a book instead. One of these might work...

• [font=VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA, GENEVA]Michio Kitahara, "Childhood in Japanese Culture." The Journal of Psychohistory17(1989): 43-72; Luciano P. R. Santiago, The Children of Oedipus.' Brother-Sister Incest in Psychiatry, Literature, History and Mythology. Roslyn Heights, N.Y.: Libra Publishing, 1973, pp.83-90.[/font]
• [font=VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA, GENEVA]William J. Schull and James V. Neel, The Effects of Inbreeding in Japanese Children. New York: Harper & Row, 1965; William J. Schull and James V. Neel, "The Effects of Parental Consanguinity and Inbreeding in Hirado, Japan."American Journal of Human Genetics 24(1972): 425-53.[/font]
• [font=VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA, GENEVA]Shunichi Kubo, "Researches on Incest in Japan," Hirosh ima Journal of Medical Science 8(1959): 99-159.[/font]
• [font=VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA, GENEVA]Howard S. Levy and Michiko Kawatani, Trans. Japan's Dirty Old Man.' Sex Adven-tures of Hirota Kicchomu (1628-1717). South Pasadena: Warm-Soft Village Press, 1979, p. 3.[/font]
• [font=VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA, GENEVA]Robert J. Smith & Ella Lury Wiswell, The Women of Suye Mura. Chicago: The University of Chicago Press, 1982, pp~ 68-72; Douglas C. Haring, "Aspects of Per-sonal Character in Japan." In Douglas C. Haring, Ed., Personal Character and Cultural Milieu. Syracuse: Syracuse University Press, 1956, p.416.[/font]
• [font=VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA, GENEVA]John Connor, Takie Sugiyama Lebra, George DeVos and Alan Roland, personal communications.[/font]
• [font=VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA, GENEVA]Joy Hendry, Becoming Japanese.' The World of the Pre-School Child. Manchester: Manchester University Press, 1986, pp.21, 44; Mizushima Kanae, Shin****su Haibun ni Miru Oyako no shinsosei [Parent-child intimacy as seen in sleeping arrangements].[/font]
• [font=VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA, GENEVA]Kitahara, "Childhood in Japanese Culture," p. 54.[/font]
• [font=VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA, GENEVA]Lebra, Japanese Women, " Constraint and Fulfillment Honolulu: University of Hawaii Press, 1984, pp. 176-80.[/font]

• [font=VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA, GENEVA]
  [/font]
• [font=VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA, GENEVA]And your'e the same dude that placed the environment of an a.nus and vagina on the same level...
  
  [/font]

Originally Posted by sn00pee

Originally Posted by GTEK

I highly doubt the genetalia is meant to insert into the place where the body rids itself of toxins.

have you seen the things that come out of the vajayjay?

I'll pray for you too.


where did i say it was the same? Saying that genetalia is not to be placed in something where the body rids itself of toxins is stupid. we know the vagnia ridsitself of toxins all the time. Dont try to act all stupid on me now.

Oh wow, you found incest articles in Japanese cultures! Wow! The only thing is i never said incest didnt happen in Japan, and that still doesnt make anythingin that article you previously posted true. Try actually reading some of those artcles you posted instead of just copy/pasting them to try to prove a point. Itis FULL of misconceptions and exaggerations. Yes kids do often sleep with their parents until a certain age, but this is due to the small living conditions inJapan. The article severly twisted several traditions and made them into somekind of sexual deviance. Japanese wifes do not masturbate their sons to get themto go to sleep. They do not tell their sons "have sex with me, its easier" etc, etc.

and you still havent answer my question...

 

[sn00pee]

Since you wanted to strongly rely on that article, I decided to look up some of the citations.

Remember, never blindly believe something. You were talking all that mess about how we're being forced into accepting homosexuality blah blah blah
and you just go blindly believe an outrageous article such as the one you posted. Say word?

Anyways,

The most commonly reported incest occurs when the mother sees her son masturbate as a teenager and tells him, "It's not good to do it alone. Your IQ becomes lower. I will help you," or "You cannot study if you cannot have sex. You may use my body," or "I don't want you to get into trouble with a girl. Have sex with me instead."(166)

166. [font=VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA, GENEVA]Michio Kitahara,"Incest-Japanese Style." The Journal of Psychohistory 17(1989): 445-50.

[/font][font=VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA, GENEVA]which is a REVIEW[/font] [font=VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA, GENEVA]of 密室[/font]

 

[nako xl]

i know i promised i'd ignore dude but this is getting absurd. son won't take my advice and just call it a night. he's already hit his postlimit on one username but insists on spewing nonsense on the next one.

i don't even know anything about people jerking off babies but please tell me what that has to do with the op. YOU helped take this there, yet when sn00peeasks you a simple question, "do YOU consider an 18yo and a 16yo having sex, to be pedophilia" (and i'm going to add "as deviant as an 21 yohaving sex with someone who's 11" a more obvious example of pedophilia) you sidestep the question and call it "stupid and irrelevant, hum humhum." but then why did YOU harp on it so much arguing language and technicalities?

and i've told you, you're a smart guy. quit with the wikipedia and yahoo searches. i'm not the one with %!@$ blowing up in my face.