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I don't see anything killing the iPhone. I have Verizon by the way and can't wait to get an iphone in the summer.
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Originally Posted by dland24
cell phones that get signal >>>>>>> cell phones that dont
therefore
verizon smart phones >>>>>>>>> iphone
Just sayin.....
exactly. people need to give it up.Originally Posted by prokid404
Originally Posted by Brandon3000
Originally Posted by bjamez20
how many iPhone killers have there been now? i'm good with my 3GS until the next one comes out
I swear there's a new iphone killer every other month and yet... they don't kill the iphone.
Originally Posted by Brandon3000
Originally Posted by bjamez20
how many iPhone killers have there been now? i'm good with my 3GS until the next one comes out
Originally Posted by politicsasusual
The Nexus One is a Total Flop
74 days after the iPhone was introduced at $600 a pop (six hundred dollars), one million were sold. The Droid, at $200: 1.05 million. The Nexus One? An estimated 135,000 units. By any measure, that's a total sales flop.
Sure, the Nexus One is only sold online and though T-Mobile, but 135,000 units is a ridiculously tiny amount. Especially when the Nexus One was announced for a long time on the most popular web page in the world: The Google home page. Only the Nexus One and Google's Chrome have been announced in that sacred place, which is used by a gigazillion people every day. It's the most watched, most expensive advertising spot on the planet.
Even worse: The sales rate is declining. After its first month, the Nexus One sold 80,000 units. That's means that only 55,000 additional units sold in the next month. For a cellphone that is being named and talked about every single day by every single tech publication, and often mentioned in the mainstream media, that's quite embarrassing.
Why is this happening? The Nexus One is a nice cellphone, after all. Is it really that you can only buy it online? The iPad sold online, for a higher price and without no phone capabilities, yet it sold an estimated 152,000 units in the first weekend. And products like the Kindle are doing good sales with an online-only sales model.
I've got a 3GS and I hate everything that has to do with the iPad but the numbers don't lie. Many have tried...
Originally Posted by Tetsujin23
Originally Posted by dland24
cell phones that get signal >>>>>>> cell phones that dont
therefore
verizon smart phones >>>>>>>>> iphone
Just sayin.....
I will forever hate windows mobile.
Originally Posted by Brandon3000
bjamez20 said:how many iPhone killers have there been now? i'm good with my 3GS until the next one comes out
Originally Posted by Brandon3000
bjamez20 said:how many iPhone killers have there been now? i'm good with my 3GS until the next one comes out
Truth.... But I used to have HTC phones... and damn I hate Windows Mobile
if you're going to quote something as poorly written as this, at least bring us a source... "without no phone capabilities... products like the Kindle are doing good sales" <= the hell? you copy/pasting articles from your HS paper? the iphone had declining sales, too. and still does. so don't even try to bring that nonsense up. and why would phone capabilities have ANY impact on ipad sales? that's the most ridiculous comparison i've seen in an iphone debate. you honestly did more harm than good w/that post. i'm surprised you didn't bring up how many cases of coke were sold on safeway.com in its first weekend. true, the numbers don't lie. but that doesn't make them relevant. and, for the record, that crap that you copy/pasted specifically mentioned that the droid outsold the iphone - despite the fact that verizon has multiple android phones. so what the hell is your point? that apple can make more money than its competitors by selling more expensive products? we already knew that. welcome to 1997. the article was entirely focused on the nexus one, which is not @all the focus of this thread, but since you brought it up its worth mentioning that the nexus one was released (primarily) for t-mobile, which has 1/3 of the customers of verizon and at&t. yes, the unlocked nexus one was available but why would you pay $700 for that when you can get a similar phone (droid, eris, g1, etc.) for $300-500 less?Originally Posted by politicsasusual
The Nexus One is a Total Flop
74 days after the iPhone was introduced at $600 a pop (six hundred dollars), one million were sold. The Droid, at $200: 1.05 million. The Nexus One? An estimated 135,000 units. By any measure, that's a total sales flop.
Sure, the Nexus One is only sold online and though T-Mobile, but 135,000 units is a ridiculously tiny amount. Especially when the Nexus One was announced for a long time on the most popular web page in the world: The Google home page. Only the Nexus One and Google's Chrome have been announced in that sacred place, which is used by a gigazillion people every day. It's the most watched, most expensive advertising spot on the planet.
Even worse: The sales rate is declining. After its first month, the Nexus One sold 80,000 units. That's means that only 55,000 additional units sold in the next month. For a cellphone that is being named and talked about every single day by every single tech publication, and often mentioned in the mainstream media, that's quite embarrassing.
Why is this happening? The Nexus One is a nice cellphone, after all. Is it really that you can only buy it online? The iPad sold online, for a higher price and without no phone capabilities, yet it sold an estimated 152,000 units in the first weekend. And products like the Kindle are doing good sales with an online-only sales model.
I've got a 3GS and I hate everything that has to do with the iPad but the numbers don't lie. Many have tried...
you're right, but the article is talking about first week sales.Originally Posted by TacC4
if you're going to quote something as poorly written as this, at least bring us a source... "without no phone capabilities... products like the Kindle are doing good sales" <= the hell? you copy/pasting articles from your HS paper? the iphone had declining sales, too. and still does. so don't even try to bring that nonsense up. and why would phone capabilities have ANY impact on ipad sales? that's the most ridiculous comparison i've seen in an iphone debate. you honestly did more harm than good w/that post. i'm surprised you didn't bring up how many cases of coke were sold on safeway.com in its first weekend. true, the numbers don't lie. but that doesn't make them relevant. and, for the record, that crap that you copy/pasted specifically mentioned that the droid outsold the iphone - despite the fact that verizon has multiple android phones. so what the hell is your point? that apple can make more money than its competitors by selling more expensive products? we already knew that. welcome to 1997. the article was entirely focused on the nexus one, which is not @all the focus of this thread, but since you brought it up its worth mentioning that the nexus one was released (primarily) for t-mobile, which has 1/3 of the customers of verizon and at&t. yes, the unlocked nexus one was available but why would you pay $700 for that when you can get a similar phone (droid, eris, g1, etc.) for $300-500 less?Originally Posted by politicsasusual
The Nexus One is a Total Flop
74 days after the iPhone was introduced at $600 a pop (six hundred dollars), one million were sold. The Droid, at $200: 1.05 million. The Nexus One? An estimated 135,000 units. By any measure, that's a total sales flop.
Sure, the Nexus One is only sold online and though T-Mobile, but 135,000 units is a ridiculously tiny amount. Especially when the Nexus One was announced for a long time on the most popular web page in the world: The Google home page. Only the Nexus One and Google's Chrome have been announced in that sacred place, which is used by a gigazillion people every day. It's the most watched, most expensive advertising spot on the planet.
Even worse: The sales rate is declining. After its first month, the Nexus One sold 80,000 units. That's means that only 55,000 additional units sold in the next month. For a cellphone that is being named and talked about every single day by every single tech publication, and often mentioned in the mainstream media, that's quite embarrassing.
Why is this happening? The Nexus One is a nice cellphone, after all. Is it really that you can only buy it online? The iPad sold online, for a higher price and without no phone capabilities, yet it sold an estimated 152,000 units in the first weekend. And products like the Kindle are doing good sales with an online-only sales model.
I've got a 3GS and I hate everything that has to do with the iPad but the numbers don't lie. Many have tried...
i'm not going to argue about what phone is better but you guys need to make some legitimate arguments. apple has a hardcore following that is willing to buy anything that they put out. the majority of iphone users refuse to look @other phones and even PCs, so what's the point in talking to them? if the operating systems and specs were flipped and the iphone ran android you apple heads would be going nuts over widgets, multitasking, the better camera, a camera w/flash and that other type of flash that mr. jobs seems to think is irrelevant. don't even try to pretend those aren't enviable features.
additionally, there's only 1 iphone where as there are almost two dozen phones running android and another two dozen future models already annouced. obviously w/that much cannibalism, there's no way every phone running android is going to be able to outsell the iphone. not to mention the fact that a lot of iphone sales are driven by consumers who are going purely off heuristics. its no different from the ipod. there are viable alternatives in the mp3 world - for example, throwing your ipod away and buying a good phone - but a lot of people don't even know what an mp3 player is, they only know that ipods play music.
you guys are so hyped up about the iphone and yet nobody has provided any explanation as to WHY you like the iphone. what SPECIFICALLY makes it so much better than every other phone? call me crazy but i'd rather have a reliable signal, interchangeable batteries, google voice, synced contacts, data backed up online and free navigation right out of the box. and i don't need to hack my phone or do anything outside of the ordinary to get the kind of performance that i'm looking for out of my phone.
p.s. in your defense of the iphone, please leave out anything related to rooting the phone b/c that's not relevant for me or the majority of potential customers. but if you feel it is absolutely necessary to bring up rooting your phone, be sure to mention that it is a)much easier to do on android and b)not frowned upon by google.
edit: why does one phone have to overwhelmingly dominate the iphone in order to kill it? collectively all of these phones (wm, android, bb) are eating away @iphone's market share and the longer the iphone remains exclusive to at&t, the worse it is going to get.
hella handsome wrote:
i won't quote you cause i hate when the quotes become unmanageable but everything you said made a lot of sense to me. seriously. thank you for explaining your rationale.
i don't really have a preferred music player; i like media player for personal use but if i'm hosting a party then itunes is infinitely better due to the airport/ipod control thingy. although i just downloaded gmote, which appears to do the same thing, although not as well. but if you're a devoted itunes fan then i can see how the iphone would appeal to you.
i'm not big on facebook or twitter but i guess if i were i could see how the android widgets would be nice. but as you mentioned, those types of programs drain your battery and hog up a lot of memory, as well. right now on my droid i only have 1 web-related widget and its set to refresh only when i'm on wifi or plugged in for just that reason. it wouldn't kill my battery to have things constantly syncing but i like my batter @70%+
one thing about android that i will mention for all the iphone fans is how many flipping apps start on their own. maybe this happens w/the iphone as well and i just haven't heard about it, but there shouldn't need to be a task killer to close these apps that love running in the background. the task killers work (although a lot of apps like to restart w/o my permission) but it just shouldn't be necessary.
i refuse to leave verizon and i hung on to my VXsomething for entirely too long, just waiting for the iphone. my mom and stepdad's new every two came around and they picked up an eris and a droid. after a couple more weeks of holding out, i conceded. i love my droid. it does everything i want it to do, and it does it almost flawlessly. i've got an ipod touch and plenty of apps on it. there are some things i would like to see on android (etrade and streak for the cash) but nothing major is lacking and i don't think i've touched my ipod since i got my droid. the things that i use frequently (turn-by-turn navigation, music, contacts/calendar syncing, podcasts, calorie counter (barcode scanning, ftw!!) and chat/talk) all work exactly the way that i want them to - for free.
i'm not ignorant about android's shortcomings but its the best phone that i've found for myself. to thadangerousm's point, if everyone else wants and iphone, that's fine w/me as long as its not JUST b/c its an iphone.
i won't quote you cause i hate when the quotes become unmanageable but everything you said made a lot of sense to me. seriously. thank you for explaining your rationale.