Selling Out

[rawex5]

Sorry champ but real role models don't throw up on the field during play and have enough cardio-vascular endurance to finish a game. That takes McNabb out of the "role model" picture .

Yes McNabb is a sell out, why is that so hard for you and others to understand. He's even been called out by more people other than me as you can clearly see in this thread. Any CONSCIOUS black person would know that McNabb is a sell out. He kept quiet against Rush Limbaugh, someone who has some real power in this country but yet spoke out against T.O. and had the nerve to call it "black on black crime". In short McNabb is the type of brotha that would have tried to stop Harriet Tubman in her tracks and tell her and others how good they have it. As a mattter of fact some of you brothas in here that are co-signing McNabb would probably do the same thing if given the chance.

Looks like we have a house ***** sympathist in our mist, SMH.


How are the brothas treating you on the basketball courts these days champ??

You want people to look up to a father that abandoned his responsibilities and left his child for dead. That says alot about you, and it's all bad.

Decue, I don't even know where to begin. How about the fact that you don't make explicit your definition of what constitutes consciousness. Your  was exactly my point. 

Harriet Tubman and the sellout. You sir, have a faulty knowledge of history. First off, you ignore the fact that many so-called house negro's committed arson, poisoned slave masters, and committed daily acts of resistance. But I get it. Your analogy is informed by mythology rather than history. You accuse me of being a house negro sympathizer. Well, to the extent that I am the one poisoning my master, I happily accept this accusation. But its clear what you mean by this. How am I a sympathizer? Because I don't admire flashy athletes who are cancerous to the team concept? 

I think you characterized me as such because I called you out on your faulty, contradictory logic. Throughout this thread you've harped on Karl Malone abandoning his children. Yet not once did you mention that your hero, T.O., is $20,000 behind on child support payments. You were the same person who hoped "Chad [ochocinco] bounces back somehow," shortly after he headbutted his wife. In the eyes of Deuce King, it's very clear the type of person who is NOT a sell out: individualistic, self-commodified, flashy, deadbeat fathers, who are also wife beaters. Did I miss anything? 

 

[Master Zik]

I forgot to say yall should be blocking BET quite honestly, same with VH1 for the most part.

I see you Cage, wshh a whole other huge problem to tackle.

 

[truthgetsbusy]

Q from WSHH Hip-Hop is the definition. He's just as bad as a drug dealer or gang banger.

 

[Betonblck]

Sorry champ but real role models don't throw up on the field during play and have enough cardio-vascular endurance to finish a game. That takes McNabb out of the "role model" picture .
Yes McNabb is a sell out, why is that so hard for you and others to understand. He's even been called out by more people other than me as you can clearly see in this thread. Any CONSCIOUS black person would know that McNabb is a sell out. He kept quiet against Rush Limbaugh, someone who has some real power in this country but yet spoke out against T.O. and had the nerve to call it "black on black crime". In short McNabb is the type of brotha that would have tried to stop Harriet Tubman in her tracks and tell her and others how good they have it. As a mattter of fact some of you brothas in here that are co-signing McNabb would probably do the same thing if given the chance.
Looks like we have a house ***** sympathist in our mist, SMH.

How are the brothas treating you on the basketball courts these days champ??
You want people to look up to a father that abandoned his responsibilities and left his child for dead. That says alot about you, and it's all bad.

McNabb is still active in the Philadelphia community as a positive role model for young men. Brings his family to the clinic and interacts with the kids. Despite all the hate he gets from Philly people, he still comes up to Philly and even brings ******* players to Philly.

McNabb never been locked up for bowling alley fights, never raped any women, never sold drugs, never threw his wife out the house naked, is active in his children's life, still married and yet he's the guy you call a sellout.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/*******sinsider/clinton-portis/portis-makes-appearance-at-mcn.html

Portis makes appearance at McNabb's football camp

Clinton Portis was a no-show for the ********' final voluntary organized team activities session on Thursday but flew up to Philadelphia from Miami on Saturday morning in time to support teammate Donovan McNabb's annual football clinic for kids.

Asked what motivated him to come from spending time with his family in Miami for the event, Portis said he didn't need any.

"You don't need any motivation," Portis said on Saturday in Marlton, N.J. "You're doing something positive for the community. [McNabb] asked me to come and I showed up."

McNabb said he appreciated Portis coming up when he could have been with his family at home.

 

[yeold360s]

EVERY thread?

I've posted in 5 threads (3 of which are constant) in the last 3 weeks though- what the **** are you talking about? You're still butthurt, and you carry resentments like a catty little girl.


You never contribute anything around here, just go around D-riding other dudes. I'll say it again, hop off my nuts- build a rep off somebody more important or learn to think for yourself (nice job with futureMD quote there too buddy).

In every thread I see you in, yes.  And the extent of your "insults" is calling me a female/girl 

 I'm sure you can do better.

Continue with your small-minded blanket statements and blatant falsities, just know that when people call you out its not because they're "on your nuts", its most likely cuz you're wrong.

The quote in my sig was addressed to me, and I made it my sig because I found it so funny.  I don't D-ride any dudes, let alone internet personas.

 

[jjs07]

For folks like Deuce King, I'd love to get his/their opinion of black males in relationships outside of their race. Sellouts, no?

 

[Peep Game]

For folks like Deuce King, I'd love to get his/their opinion of black males in relationships outside of their race. Sellouts, no?

I'd say you're a sellout only if you're living like this

 

[deuce king]

First off, you ignore the fact that many so-called house negro's committed arson, poisoned slave masters, and committed daily acts of resistance. But I get it. Your analogy is informed by mythology rather than history. You accuse me of being a house negro sympathizer. Well, to the extent that I am the one poisoning my master, I happily accept this accusation. But its clear what you mean by this. How am I a sympathizer? Because I don't admire flashy athletes who are cancerous to the team concept?

I don't picture you being the house ***** that would poison his master, but moreso the house ***** that would be telling master what the slaves in the field were plotting or up to. So with that being said you are a house ***** to the core, and you embody what the true definition of what a house ***** is. Again, for you and the rest of the slow minded people in here that still want to cheerlead for McNabb, he said NOTHING when Rush Limbaugh called him out on national television, which turned into a national story at the time. This house ***** McNabb sat down and said nothing. Now if McNabb is the quiet type and doesn't get into it with people that would be one thing, but only a few months later he had the nerve to describe his altercation with T.O. as "black on black crime".................that's right "black on black crime". In short when the white man said something about McNabb he was quiet, but when the black man, one of his own said something about him he himself played the race card. With that beind said McNabb=sellout, and those that agree with him aren't too far off.

Throughout this thread you've harped on Karl Malone abandoning his children. Yet not once did you mention that your hero, T.O., is $20,000 behind on child support payments. You were the same person who hoped "Chad [ochocinco] bounces back somehow," shortly after he headbutted his wife. In the eyes of Deuce King, it's very clear the type of person who is NOT a sell out: individualistic, self-commodified, flashy, deadbeat fathers, who are also wife beaters. Did I miss anything?

Not being able to pay an absurd amount in child support is totally different than totally abandoning your child all together. As far as Chad goes, yeah I said I hope he bounces back................meaning on the football field. As far as the wife beater accusations are concerned, all the facts haven't come out yet, but if you want to go ahead and proclaim Chad guilty then go ahead. From your standpoint I'm sure you take pleasure in finding a black man guilty no matter what the case is. Not only that but you believe a female that is known for wildin out on camera and smacking people herself. Not only are you a house ***** sympathizer but your a gold digger sympathizer as well, truly sad.

McNabb never been locked up for bowling alley fights, never raped any women, never sold drugs, never threw his wife out the house naked, is active in his children's life, still married and yet he's the guy you call a sellout.

All that being said which athlete between the two would you think has more respect within the black community, A.I. or McNabb. Or between the two which one had more respect and was viewed more favorably.

For folks like Deuce King, I'd love to get his/their opinion of black males in relationships outside of their race. Sellouts, no?

Not necessarily, it depends on the person and the circumstance. Give me a specific example or a person if you can champ.

 

[datznasty]

These slavery metaphors are stupid and it's obvious a sellout is just a person you don't like, for whatever inconsistent *** reasons you try to justify all the while giving dudes you like a pass on the same criteria.

 

[Master Zik]

Damn Deuce calling dudes house ******* now? Based off what exactly? Them supporting McNabb of all ppl?

Quote frankly like I've said before him not saying something back to Rush and deciding to saying something to TO when he reiterated some of the same **** is not enough to say he's a sellout. I don't see how that fits any definition of what a sellout posted in this thread

 

[AZwildcats]

@ McNabb being a sellout

 

[obeahmyal7]

 

This thread has confirmed for me that the definition of a "sell out" is contingent on popular cultural and social norms among a particular community. For example, apparently it is "absurd" for me to think that even though T.O. made $80 mill in career earnings, he is wrong for owing $20K in back child support. I am a house negro and gold digging sympathizer because I believe that headbutting a woman is morally repugnant. 

If your opinion doesn't fit within the accepted definition of blackness you're a sellout. Well then I renounce all affiliation with any "black community" that gives more "respect" to AI than McNabb. The black communities of which I'm a part are committed to building institutions, appreciates a diversity of opinions, encourages the consumption and production of knowledge, and believes in standing up to a system with a defined agenda in hand. I grant that resistance can be waged in the realm of culture. But standing up to David Stern is about ego, not about furthering the status of African Americans. To argue otherwise reflects a gross misunderstanding of the meaning of protest.  

 In a period in which states around the country are systematically attempting to disenfranchise poor blacks (and Latinos) through modern day poll taxes and when participants at the RNC can throw peanuts at an African American camera woman, it is clear that racism is alive and thriving. Unfortunately, its sentiments expressed by the likes of Deuce that have weakened our ability to raise awareness about racism. Deuce accused McNabb of dogging "one of his own" and me of taking pleasure in "finding a black man guilty no matter what the case is." Here is an example of an extremely detrimental tendency among brothers and sisters today. To essentialize blackness is bad enough. Even worse is the assumption that shared black skin should trump explicit patriarchy, criminal behavior, in short, justice. The affect is to exempt blackness from moral standards. This strand of thought is propagated by those who acknowledge the "lengths the U.S. government will go to destroy the black community" without recognizing their own complicity in that destruction. If this is a game of blackjack, you and others have made the "race card" equal to 25.

 

[yeold360s]

You're so off base. I have no idea who you are as a person; I have no problem calling people out on their incorrectness, that's all.  

Because of that, you've made these assumptions of me:

1) I care about you/who you are

2) I don't get vagina 

3) I don't have a life, and because of that I am concerned with yours

4) I'm angry, resentful, and jealous of you.

You don't know me, and I don't know you, so as hilarious as those assumptions are, unfortunately ALL of them are incorrect. What do you have that would cause me to be these things towards you?

I could say how girls are throwing their yambs at me, but if I did that, I'd just be another internet lame looking for e-fame or trying to impress people from my armchair.

And as for real life, I wouldn't hesitate to call you out on the things you say. Methinks you don't say these things in real life because people would look at you weird.  

All I ask is that you think twice, nay thrice, before you click the "Submit" button..

For example, apparently it is "absurd" for me to think that even though T.O. made $80 mill in career earnings, he is wrong for owing $20K in back child support. I am a house negro and gold digging sympathizer because I believe that headbutting a woman is morally repugnant. 

OMG 

 

[Betonblck]

All that being said which athlete between the two would you think has more respect within the black community, A.I. or McNabb. Or between the two which one had more respect and was viewed more favorably.

Anybody who has more respect for AI than McNabb opinion isn't worth a damn.

 

[deuce king]

Damn Deuce calling dudes house ******* now? Based off what exactly? Them supporting McNabb of all ppl?

Quote frankly like I've said before him not saying something back to Rush and deciding to saying something to TO when he reiterated some of the same **** is not enough to say he's a sellout. I don't see how that fits any definition of what a sellout posted in this thread

That's right champ, that's because I'm not playing games with these racists out here and I damn sure ain't playing games with these house ****** out here that are helping to assist these racists. As far as McNabb goes, he chose not to say something when Rush Limbaugh played the race card on him, and maybe that fine's if and only IF McNabb is not the confontational type. Fast forward a few months later T.O. said something against him and McNabb responds. Now to me McNabb would probably been okay if he just responded to T.O. and left race out of the mix. Instead McNabb played and showed his sellout card for the entire world to see when he described the incident with T.O. in his own words as "black on black crime". When the white man played the race card on him, McNabb said nothing, when T.O. spoke unfavorable on McNabb without even bringing race into the equation McNabb responds by bringing race into the matter. That's how a sellout operates, he'll come down on his own people but he won't dare speaking negative on a white person.

For example, apparently it is "absurd" for me to think that even though T.O. made $80 mill in career earnings, he is wrong for owing $20K in back child support. I am a house negro and gold digging sympathizer because I believe that headbutting a woman is morally repugnant.

You should already know how the judical system is already rigged against black men, so a judge saying how much a so called "rich athlete" should pay in child suport means very little to me. In that regard I would take more issue with how much T.O. was involved in his children's life and taking care of his kids. The financial responsibilty aspect is obvioulsy important, but how much a judge determines how much somone should pay means very little to me. I'm qute sure you like it whenever a judge rules against a black man anyway.

In regards to the incident with Chad, again all the facts have NOT come out. From the first response if you just want to believe what a female says against a black man especially when it's negative then go right ahead. See this is how a true house ***** such as youself operates, your already willing to condemn a black man before all the FACTS have been presented. In your eyes a black person is already guilty just because.

In a period in which states around the country are systematically attempting to disenfranchise poor blacks (and Latinos) through modern day poll taxes and when participants at the RNC can throw peanuts at an African American camera woman, it is clear that racism is alive and thriving. Unfortunately, its sentiments expressed by the likes of Deuce that have weakened our ability to raise awareness about racism

Now this is what I'm talking about, this is what I want to see from you. There may be hope for you yet, given your statement above you may not be a ful-time house *****, maybe just a part-time house *****. Just to let you know I have spoken out and against the Republican party currently trying to suppress voters, particulary the black and latino vote here in the General Forum. So we at least agree there, that's good to see and know, brotha..................if I can call you that brohta.

Anybody who has more respect for AI than McNabb opinion isn't worth a damn

Well you know you have just criticized a large portion of the black community then.

 

[truthgetsbusy]

NT is full of idiots....we have a "sellout" thread and Donovan McNabb of all people is being discussed

 

[richiecotite]

NT is full of idiots....we have a "sellout" thread and Donovan McNabb of all people is being discussed

Truer words have never been spoken.

All this "house negro" and sellout jazz is beyond ridiculous.

At the end of the day, dudes need to be concerned about taking care of their families and making their communities better.

Being a black is hard enough without having to worry about other black people thinking you aren't black enough.

 

[jjs07]

Damn...Deuce REALLY went there.

 

[yeold360s]

NT is full of idiots....we have a "sellout" thread and Donovan McNabb of all people is being discussed

Dude laid his position out there and fully explained it.

If you disagree (which is fine), please also do the same as opposed to just saying this.

 

[k3stacks]

nvm

 

[deuce king]

Damn...Deuce REALLY went there.

Indeed, I'll repeat myself one more time..................

"That's right champ, that's because I'm not playing games with these racists out here and I damn sure ain't playing games with these house ****** out here that are helping to assist these racists."

Dude laid his position out there and fully explained it.



If you disagree (which is fine), please also do the same as opposed to just saying this

Thank you for that. Also, I do need to clarify though, for the examples of people and descriptions that I gave I should put for those EXACT moments or examples given thats when I would say that specific person was a sellout. So although people might not see or agree that McNabb is a sell out, to me when he specifically backed down from Rush Limbaugh but spoke up against T.O. to be that was him being a sell out. Some might say McNabb might not be a sell out overall and I can see that point.

 

[ooiron manoo]

Glad other minorities haven't adopted this "sell out" term, ol' "crabs in a bucket" mentality.

Successful Black person = Sell out!

 

[deuce king]

Glad other minorities haven't adopted this "sell out" term, ol' "crabs in a bucket" mentality.

Maybe, just maybe because other minorities have NOT had to endure or suffer from what black people had to go threw in this country. However, that would require folks to know and understand history, which some folks are clearly lacking.

Successful Black person = Sell out!

Only thing worse than being wrong is being loud and wrong.

 

[Betonblck]

Well you know you have just criticized a large portion of the black community then.

Actions speak louder than words and Rush Limbaugh is seen as a racist fool so I can understand not responding to Rush. It's like the saying "Don't argue with fools..."

I've been to his annual football clinic before and dude shows up and it's not just a hi and bye for the cameras like many other athletes. He may not talk big but McNabb is a active dude in the community and that means way more than talking trash to Rush Limbaugh.

http://www.donovanmcnabb.com/ssp/overview

And also the problem is people get caught up in this whole "keeping it real" even if it means acting like a fool. Making excuses for terrible behavior. "Well, AI is just keepin' it real". "Well, Lil Wayne is just keeping it real talking about he's a blood". Nah, that acting a fool isn't keeping it real, that's selling out.

 

[obeahmyal7]

Actions speak louder than words and Rush Limbaugh is seen as a racist fool so I can understand not responding to Rush. It's like the saying "Don't argue with fools..."
I've been to his annual football clinic before and dude shows up and it's not just a hi and bye for the cameras like many other athletes. He may not talk big but McNabb is a active dude in the community and that means way more than talking trash to Rush Limbaugh.
http://www.donovanmcnabb.com/ssp/overview
And also the problem is people get caught up in this whole "keeping it real" even if it means acting like a fool. Making excuses for terrible behavior. "Well, AI is just keepin' it real". "Well, Lil Wayne is just keeping it real talking about he's a blood". Nah, that acting a fool isn't keeping it real, that's selling out.

 Well said. This seems to me to be Chappelle's point underlying the "When keeping it real goes wrong" skits.