Selling Out

[deuce king]

Stop it Deuce. McNabb is a better role model than your boy AI could ever dream of being .

Sorry champ but real role models don't throw up on the field during play and have enough cardio-vascular endurance to finish a game. That takes McNabb out of the "role model" picture .

Some of you guys are incredible. Donovan McNabb is a sell out?

Yes McNabb is a sell out, why is that so hard for you and others to understand. He's even been called out by more people other than me as you can clearly see in this thread. Any CONSCIOUS black person would know that McNabb is a sell out. He kept quiet against Rush Limbaugh, someone who has some real power in this country but yet spoke out against T.O. and had the nerve to call it "black on black crime". In short McNabb is the type of brotha that would have tried to stop Harriet Tubman in her tracks and tell her and others how good they have it. As a mattter of fact some of you brothas in here that are co-signing McNabb would probably do the same thing if given the chance.

And to say nothing of the court of public opinion (Deuce King, Brolic Scholar) who have reproduced the faulty logic of their hero's. Some of you brothers need to check yourself and how you define blackness before you project the "sellout" label.

Looks like we have a house ***** sympathist in our mist, SMH.

not to call anybody out, but this is absolutely true. Some NTer's (not Brolic Scholar at all), but some of yall just use these type of threads to vent your anger and hatred towards white people- and try to cover it up

How are the brothas treating you on the basketball courts these days champ??

People should look up to Karl Malone, unlike A.I's broke $#% Karl Malone was smart with his post nba career.

You want people to look up to a father that abandoned his responsibilities and left his child for dead. That says alot about you, and it's all bad.

 

[wavy bone]

We should look up to Karl Malone?

Really?

 

[Peep Game]

Look up to Karl Malone He's probably my favorite PF of all time, but as a person, nah

 

[elpablo21]

We should look up to Karl Malone?

Really?

Word. I rather live on average income than to be rich....impregnate a minor and be a deadbeat father

 

[deuce king]

As always, respected by all- but still visible disdain by a few. No big deal, roll with the punches. I crossed your name out in the quote too, i dont think you hate white people. However, i dont agree with you on McNabb or Malone- Nicki Minaj, yes. He shouldve stood up to that absurd jerkoff known as Rush Limbaugh though. Its truly sad he has any "power". Rush is prejudice and a homophobe, a moron too (see, i'm not afraid to tell the truth, even when it is people of my color- I wish some of yall could be the same)

No doubt. Just like you saw how I gave you (a white person) advice even when dealing with black people who you think are against you. I'm all for people standing up for themselves and not letting someone give over on you if that is the case. As far as the 3 celebrities you named, both NcNabb and Nicki Minaj are sell outs for sure. Malone is more on the lines of a house *****, but once your a house ***** your only 1 step away from being a sell out so we'll just go ahead and throw Malone in the mix just cause.

We should look up to Karl Malone?

Really?

Real sad isn't it. You have to understand though, most of these dudes would sell their soul for an extra $1 if given the chance. That's why that person pointed out all of Malone's business accomplishments, but looked over the fact that Malone is a deadbeat father. Whatever it takes to get an extra $1 in these dudes minds, even if it's at the loss of their child.

 

[loveofthegame916]

ayo... **** this wack *** muther ****** famb...
trying to tell chicks not to give up the yambs...

did this fool just thank God for slavery?????!!!!!!

:x @ 1:01 of the second video
"the ride over was pretty rough... but you know... its like riding on a crowded airplane... and your not in first class... but you're happy when you get here"
HE THANKED THE WHITE MAN FOR BRINGING US HERE!!

"Colored folk talking bout save me, wasn't nothing wrong wit slavery. Least we had some food back then uh huh uh huh. White folk sho' can be you friend"

 

[yeold360s]

Some of you guys are incredible. Donovan McNabb is a sell out? Here's a man who for the last ten years has played an important role in raising awareness about diabetes. A brother who throughout his career was the consummate professional, never threw his teammates under the bus, never acted like a primadonna, and you fools have the nerve to call him a sell out? Oh right, I forgot. Those calling McNabb a sell out are the same ones who venerate AI, the antithesis of professionalism. 

And in many ways, the attacks McNabb received do constitute "black on black crime." First, T.O. was quick to get in front of cameras crying in support of "his quarterback" while dogging McNabb. Bernard Hopkins has routinely ripped McNabb as a house negro, for forgetting about his roots, and whose blackness was in question. And to say nothing of the court of public opinion (Deuce King, Brolic Scholar) who have reproduced the faulty logic of their hero's. Some of you brothers need to check yourself and how you define blackness before you project the "sellout" label.  

not to call anybody out, but this is absolutely true. Some NTer's (not Brolic Scholar at all), but some of yall just use these type of threads to vent your anger and hatred towards white people- and try to cover it up. You know who

You are as slow as molasses.

 

[oh you mad]

People should look up to Karl Malone, unlike A.I's broke $#% Karl Malone was smart with his post nba career.

You want people to look up to a father that abandoned his responsibilities and left his child for dead. That says alot about you, and it's all bad.

I respect dudes business endeavors so that clearly makes me look up to deadbeat fathers? Okay, so your boy Jay Z shot his own brother so you condone sibling violence right? Get the $@^$ outta here.

 

[deuce king]

I respect dudes business endeavors so that clearly makes me look up to deadbeat fathers? Okay, so your boy Jay Z shot his own brother so you condone sibling violence right? Get the $@^$ outta here.

Stick to the person we are/were currently talking about. Jay Z is not on trial here, your boy Malone is. You can respect Malone's business ventures all you want to, at the end of the day Malone being a deadbeat father far outweighs his business endeavors. I don't care how many restaurants he opens up, how many car dealerships he has.............he left his child for dead.

 

[oh you mad]

I respect dudes business endeavors so that clearly makes me look up to deadbeat fathers? Okay, so your boy Jay Z shot his own brother so you condone sibling violence right? Get the $@^$ outta here.

Stick to the person we are/were currently talking about. Jay Z is not on trial here, your boy Malone is. You can respect Malone's business ventures all you want to, at the end of the day Malone being a deadbeat father far outweighs his business endeavors. I don't care how many restaurants he opens up, how many car dealerships he has.............he left his child for dead.

At the end of the day when the time comes I will step to the plate and handle my responsibility as a father whether it is planned or not, and my stance will not be swayed by the respect i have towards Malone's post nba accomplishments.

 

[wavy bone]

BTW...swear I didn't know that the kid from the 13 year girl was in the NFL.

Dude said he hasn't ONCE spoken to Karl Malone. Deplorable.

 

[deuce king]

At the end of the day when the time comes I will step to the plate and handle my responsibility as a father whether it is planned or not, and my stance will not be swayed by the respect i have towards Malone's post nba accomplishments.

Well I'm glad you will step up to the plate and be a father, that's something your boy Malone failed to do.

 

[futuremd]

Selling out?

This is just more a reason for me to exert my OWN autonomy.

Part of the reason black america is so behind is that the concept of a linked fate hasn't evolved yet. 

Think about it. I'm a black atheist (hate the term, but it is, what it is)...but i've been told that i'm "not black" or "less of a man" for not being such.

I'm pretty liberal socially and kind of fiscally (hate the term, but it is, what it is) and support gay rights and I've been told that I'm again "not black or less black" for doing so

Even "interracial" (whatever "race" is...

) dating is still a point of contention among minority communities. 

We have more individual autonomy than we've ever had before yet we still feel the strain of a concept called the black utility heuristic. Essentially, we expect those in positions of power to reach back and help us because of our "storied" history. 

For an example of this read this latest article on The Atlantic about Barack Obama. If it matters, I think its one of the best articles of the year:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/09/fear-of-a-black-president/309064/

 

[deuce king]

Selling out?

This is just more a reason for me to exert my OWN autonomy.

Part of the reason black america is so behind is that the concept of a linked fate hasn't evolved yet. 

Think about it. I'm a black atheist (hate the term, but it is, what it is)...but i've been told that i'm "not black" or "less of a man" for not being such.

I'm pretty liberal socially and kind of fiscally (hate the term, but it is, what it is) and support gay rights and I've been told that I'm again "not black or less black" for doing so

Even "interracial" (whatever "race" is... ) dating is still a point of contention among minority communities. 

We have more individual autonomy than we've ever had before yet we still feel the strain of a concept called the black utility heuristic. Essentially, we expect those in positions of power to reach back and help us because of our "storied" history. 

For an example of this read this latest article on The Atlantic about Barack Obama. If it matters, I think its one of the best articles of the year:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/09/fear-of-a-black-president/309064/

I'm not going speak on the conversations or trials you personally have had with other blacks in your lifetime, but you have to understand champ............even though the days of slavery are over we still have house ****** around. We have black people that know and undestand the struggle past, present, and future tense (field ******) and we have blacks that don't and choose to walk the line just to look good in front of white people (house ******).

 

[futuremd]

Selling out?

This is just more a reason for me to exert my OWN autonomy.

Part of the reason black america is so behind is that the concept of a linked fate hasn't evolved yet. 

Think about it. I'm a black atheist (hate the term, but it is, what it is)...but i've been told that i'm "not black" or "less of a man" for not being such.

I'm pretty liberal socially and kind of fiscally (hate the term, but it is, what it is) and support gay rights and I've been told that I'm again "not black or less black" for doing so

Even "interracial" (whatever "race" is...

) dating is still a point of contention among minority communities. 

We have more individual autonomy than we've ever had before yet we still feel the strain of a concept called the black utility heuristic. Essentially, we expect those in positions of power to reach back and help us because of our "storied" history. 

For an example of this read this latest article on The Atlantic about Barack Obama. If it matters, I think its one of the best articles of the year:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/09/fear-of-a-black-president/309064/

I'm not going speak on the conversations or trials you personally have had with other blacks in your lifetime, but you have to understand champ............even though the days of slavery are over we still have house ****** around. We have black people that know and undestand the struggle past, present, and future tense (field ******) and we have blacks that don't and choose to walk the line just to look good in front of white people (house ******).

I mean no disrespect...but I really don't understand what you're getting at here. 

 

[deuce king]

I mean no disrespect...but I really don't understand what you're getting at here

I was just responding to the point of selling out or you not understanding what a sell out is given your first statement in your previous post............"Selling out?" Not calling you a sell out of anything of the sort just to clarify. Just giving the definition of selling out.

 

[semf]

Stolen Legacy is a great read...but I found The Mis-Education of the Negro to be one of the first books that put me on.

After that it was on to books by Ivan Van Sertima, Cheikh Diop, Chancellor Williams, Anthony T Browder, and a host of others who had a purpose in shedding light on an untold history.

Metu Neter volume 1-6...and most of that Kemetic knowledge I read back in the early 2000's.

thanks for the book list, i have to look into these . . . even though i'm neither black nor white, I hope i'll be able to take something out of them as a minority in general . . .

 

[Master Zik]

I was originally gonna just say I stray away from using this word cuz most times ppl misuse it. I can't call somebody a sellout if they never bought in. Just cuz you black and you do something that other black ppl feel makes them looks bad or is even detrimental to them on a societal level doesn't mean that person is a sellout cuz that person may have never been on your side to begin with.

A sellout to me is somebody claiming they're for the cause and when they have a chance to make an impact and create change they flip the script look out for themselves, side with those who were against him all at the same time giving up any integrity or dignity.

With that said Tyler Perry aint a sellout. He's a cooon. Straight up and down yassabossin moteasir ****

Actually I take that back, Tyler Perry is a sellout AND a ****. I forget about some of his interviews claiming he's trying to give young black women confidence and other ******** in his movies. Talking like he uplifting the race and culture

Ask Magic Johnson and Allen Iverson.

what does that mean?
fool what he do

Watch your language champ. To answer your question I'll copy and paste my comments from the 'Karl Malone Appreciation" thread in S&T.

To answer your question, Karl Malone is a house ***** because he tried to blend in with the white people of Utah. There's nothing wrong with a black person wearing cowboy boots, wearing a cowboy hat or driving a 18 wheeler, those are all things Karl Malone did or still does and some would define that as him trying to be white, which I don't wholeheartedly agree. However, Karl Malone is a house ***** because he is a Republican, and he was critical of Allen Iverson for bringing hip hop to the NBA. His stance against A.I. was to try and make black people or the younger black generation look bad in order to make himself look good in front of white people, just so he could get a pat on the back by them. Any black person who is conscious would know or understand why Karl Malone would be viewed as a house *****/sell out. If you still don't think Malone is a house *****, just ask Derrick Coleman.

Also, he came out STRONGLY playing against Magic Johnson in the NBA even AFTER Karl played with Magic on the Dream Team in '92. Just as Magic Johnson said, Malone showed no signs of concern or said nothing negative about playing with Magic while on the Dream Team because he had HIV, so why did he wait till afterwards to finally speak up and say something.

I don't know why Karl would be against Magic playing after already playing with him but I don't see how that directly points to him being a sellout but I aint even gonna get in to that cuz I don't know all the facts and it seems without any clear concrete statements on the matter all discussion there would be speculation.

As for the AI and hip hop thing in the NBA, I know a bunch of black men Karl's age that were also against what AI represented as far as hip hop goes and bringing it to a national level (even though it was already there just not heavily in the NBA yet). These black men are just from a different generation where they simply don't like and/or don't understand it. Does that mean they're siding with white ppl looking for their approval? Does their disdain for what AI represents make them sellouts? I don't agree that all black ppl should agree and support all other black ppl because they're black and it's apart of that generation's culture when they try to express themselves. Every individual has the right to disagree with anyone else or group if they choose to.

As for being a republican, Karl's rich and wants to stay rich. I find it no surprise when I see a minority claim their a republican and they come from money or solely want to make money. This is not to say rich ppl can't be liberal or democrats but those that are always come off as more thoughtful of where they came from and aware that everyone isn't living how they are where as for example a black republican may deeply believe in/live by capitalism.

 

[yeold360s]

Some of you guys are incredible. Donovan McNabb is a sell out? Here's a man who for the last ten years has played an important role in raising awareness about diabetes. A brother who throughout his career was the consummate professional, never threw his teammates under the bus, never acted like a primadonna, and you fools have the nerve to call him a sell out? Oh right, I forgot. Those calling McNabb a sell out are the same ones who venerate AI, the antithesis of professionalism. 


And in many ways, the attacks McNabb received do constitute "black on black crime." First, T.O. was quick to get in front of cameras crying in support of "his quarterback" while dogging McNabb. Bernard Hopkins has routinely ripped McNabb as a house negro, for forgetting about his roots, and whose blackness was in question. And to say nothing of the court of public opinion (Deuce King, Brolic Scholar) who have reproduced the faulty logic of their hero's. Some of you brothers need to check yourself and how you define blackness before you project the "sellout" label.  

not to call anybody out, but this is absolutely true. Some NTer's (not Brolic Scholar at all), but some of yall just use these type of threads to vent your anger and hatred towards white people- and try to cover it up. You know who

You are as slow as molasses.

Shun....


quit following me around already, you're like a schoolgirl with a crush

It's not even that.  I see you post nonsensical drivel in EVERY thread, I just have to temper my quoting of you so it doesn't seem like I have my eyes out for you.

I just have an eye out for rampant stupidity, something you happen to exude.

 

[Master Zik]

Damn after reading through this thread I learned some things about a few ppl.

I did not know Karl Malone raped a 13 year old and has been an absent father to the child going on over 2 decades. Has nothing to do with him being a sell out or not but that's just terrible.

As far as McNabb, **** him and the Eagles. Yeah I'd like to see a black QB succeed but not him and that's just the Giant fan part of me. As for what's being said about him I can't fully say being quiet to Rush's comments and then jumping on TO's back who is his peer is evidence enough to say McNabb is a sellout either. I'll need more examples than that. So far that's been the only thing that's been referenced. I mean don't you think it's a bit distasteful that Rush says something and then TO comes out echoing similar sentiments about McNabb as well? I don't agree with it but I can understand McNabb not bothering to respond to Rush. Being quiet doesn't always mean you're just sitting there and taking it, you gotta pick and choose your battles. To me it seems some of yall just wanted him to respond to respond. I mean there's not much he could've said that would erase what Rush said. He either handles it respectfully or goes crazy and hurls insults and what not.

I've also been seeing the various definitions of what a sellout is that I don't necessarily agree with. The sound reasoning about Clarence and his views make more sense as far as if he's a sellout or not. To me remaining consistent is critical. It's not so much about "betraying" your ppl, history or culture.

Also, I'm very glad fac3 tak30v312 spoke on the history of the Republican party and their relationship with the black community in this country. I know he didn't cover the whole history but any time I see things brought up about black republicans I always feel a bit urged to speak on the history of who was allied with who initially dating back to the Civil War, how names of parties have changed, and how some didn't even exist prior to a certain period. To me it's not so simple to scoff at someone who is black and claims they're a republican. It's much deeper than what it appears to be in politics today on the surface.

 

[limitedretroog]

Is this commercial the reason you guys hate Karl?

 

[obeahmyal7]

Sorry champ but real role models don't throw up on the field during play and have enough cardio-vascular endurance to finish a game. That takes McNabb out of the "role model" picture

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Yes McNabb is a sell out, why is that so hard for you and others to understand. He's even been called out by more people other than me as you can clearly see in this thread. Any CONSCIOUS black person would know that McNabb is a sell out. He kept quiet against Rush Limbaugh, someone who has some real power in this country but yet spoke out against T.O. and had the nerve to call it "black on black crime". In short McNabb is the type of brotha that would have tried to stop Harriet Tubman in her tracks and tell her and others how good they have it. As a mattter of fact some of you brothas in here that are co-signing McNabb would probably do the same thing if given the chance.
Looks like we have a house ***** sympathist in our mist, SMH.

How are the brothas treating you on the basketball courts these days champ??
You want people to look up to a father that abandoned his responsibilities and left his child for dead. That says alot about you, and it's all bad.

Decue, I don't even know where to begin. How about the fact that you don't make explicit your definition of what constitutes consciousness. Your  was exactly my point. 

Harriet Tubman and the sellout. You sir, have a faulty knowledge of history. First off, you ignore the fact that many so-called house negro's committed arson, poisoned slave masters, and committed daily acts of resistance. But I get it. Your analogy is informed by mythology rather than history. You accuse me of being a house negro sympathizer. Well, to the extent that I am the one poisoning my master, I happily accept this accusation. But its clear what you mean by this. How am I a sympathizer? Because I don't admire flashy athletes who are cancerous to the team concept? 

I think you characterized me as such because I called you out on your faulty, contradictory logic. Throughout this thread you've harped on Karl Malone abandoning his children. Yet not once did you mention that your hero, T.O., is $20,000 behind on child support payments. You were the same person who hoped "Chad [ochocinco] bounces back somehow," shortly after he headbutted his wife. In the eyes of Deuce King, it's very clear the type of person who is NOT a sell out: individualistic, self-commodified, flashy, deadbeat fathers, who are also wife beaters. Did I miss anything? 

 

[obeahmyal7]

Damn after reading through this thread I learned some things about a few ppl.
I did not know Karl Malone raped a 13 year old and has been an absent father to the child going on over 2 decades. Has nothing to do with him being a sell out or not but that's just terrible.
As far as McNabb, **** him and the Eagles. Yeah I'd like to see a black QB succeed but not him and that's just the Giant fan part of me. As for what's being said about him I can't fully say being quiet to Rush's comments and then jumping on TO's back who is his peer is evidence enough to say McNabb is a sellout either. I'll need more examples than that. So far that's been the only thing that's been referenced. I mean don't you think it's a bit distasteful that Rush says something and then TO comes out echoing similar sentiments about McNabb as well? I don't agree with it but I can understand McNabb not bothering to respond to Rush. Being quiet doesn't always mean you're just sitting there and taking it, you gotta pick and choose your battles. To me it seems some of yall just wanted him to respond to respond. I mean there's not much he could've said that would erase what Rush said. He either handles it respectfully or goes crazy and hurls insults and what not.
I've also been seeing the various definitions of what a sellout is that I don't necessarily agree with. The sound reasoning about Clarence and his views make more sense as far as if he's a sellout or not. To me remaining consistent is critical. It's not so much about "betraying" your ppl, history or culture.
Also, I'm very glad fac3 tak30v312 spoke on the history of the Republican party and their relationship with the black community in this country. I know he didn't cover the whole history but any time I see things brought up about black republicans I always feel a bit urged to speak on the history of who was allied with who initially dating back to the Civil War, how names of parties have changed, and how some didn't even exist prior to a certain period. To me it's not so simple to scoff at someone who is black and claims they're a republican. It's much deeper than what it appears to be in politics today on the surface.

Word up. Fac3 made a great contribution. I would only add that the black political realignment occurred with the elections of FDR (1932 and 1936). African Americans left the "party of Lincoln" well before Ronald Reagan. Rooted in laissze-faire liberalism, the Republican Party became the pro-business party around 1877. And in a betrayal of hero's like Thadeus Stevens and to a lesser extent, Charles Sumner, the Republican and the Democratic parties neglected, or at the very least were complicit to the disenfranchisement of African Americans until the 1930s. 

 

[ill legal operation]

When I am King...

...he will not be spared.

 

[lil black jean jacket]

huh?