Selling Out

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malone is a sucka for abandoning his kid

Thank you. THAT is a sell out.
Everything else is opinion, but fact is, you turn your back on your family, your kids? Thats selling out, the definition of ***** made.

 

[gllahone84]

why is he a sell out?

"I don't believe in quotas. America was founded on a philosophy of individual rights, not group rights." Clarence Thomas

 

[Brownstone]

Let's forget about the obvious targets for a minute (agree or not) and focus on the not so obvious ones. But before we do, we should be clear on what it means to sell out. I think its easy to define. It means intentionally causing damage to the health (mental and physical), well-being or reputation of the people who share your culture and history for your own benefit. In extreme cases, it means abandoning your culture completely for financial and social gains from the masses.
I haven't watched tv for months, but the last time I did, I couldn't sit through more than a few minutes of BET. Maybe it has changed since I last watched, but most of what was on that station (music included) did nothing to advance the state of the average black viewer. Sure they threw in an "educational" show here or there, but it was mostly garbage television that kept black folks chasing an image that does us no good. Most of the music videos and the subject matter of the music itself revolved around violence and hustling at the detriment of the communities the entertainers were from. I can't say much about the sitcoms because I didn't watch those, but the award shows and some of the religious crap they aired was embarrassing and difficult to watch.
For anyone who knows nothing about black culture but goes to BET for their dose of black reality, they're mostly going to see a bunch of cut throat buffoonery with some half-hearted "socially aware special" sprinkled over it that does nothing to reverse the effects of the majority of its programming. I guess I shouldn't forget VH1 and its shows that make black women look like a bunch of gold-digging skanks and black men look like caricatures of thugs. The casts of those shows are mostly sell outs. Most rappers are sell outs. A lot of these black preachers are sell outs. There's nothing wrong with being hood, but if they make it out and tell the people they're rapping to, to do what they left behind to pursue a career in art, knowing damn well the only drugs they touch are the ones they consume, they're sell outs.

That's all fine and dandy, but BET isn't owned by a black person, and hasn't been for some time. Does that make Robert Johnson the sell out. I admit I'm a little more lenient when it comes to media, because I tend to lean towards the belief that we get what we ask for.

By your definition Louis Farrakhan comes to mind. He killed one of our people's greatest leaders Ever, all while making millions of dollars, and helping Nobody, oh and all the while blaming Jews for every one of our problems.

 

[wr]

That's all fine and dandy, but BET isn't owned by a black person, and hasn't been for some time. Does that make Robert Johnson the sell out. I admit I'm a little more lenient when it comes to media, because I tend to lean towards the belief that we get what we ask for.
By your definition Louis Farrakhan comes to mind. He killed one of our people's greatest leaders Ever, all while making millions of dollars, and helping Nobody, oh and all the while blaming Jews for every one of our problems.

What's crazy is how Farrakhan is endorsing Scientology now. Never saw that one coming...

 

[gllahone84]

The media has always thrived off of the exploitation of blacks, and for a host of other minorities for that matter. The whole process of breaking down barriers was a product of being a safe black so that whites would not fear being in the presence of a radical figure. A rabble rouser so to speak. 

There's a reason Nat Turner is glossed over in the history books. 

Mental slavery is more debilitating than the physical form because now the information is out there. It's just a matter of waking up and acquiring what will be of benefit in this society, and you don't have to exclude our culture as a means of arrival.

That's what was cool about The Jeffersons...

 

[me no pass]

yeah BET is really on a different path now...not as much ******* as before...VH1 is the new BET

 

[Sir San Diego]

What does the race of BET's owners have to do with the black folks on there who are selling negative images and glorifying lifestyles that they no longer or worse yet, never lived?

Did you read my post or skim it?

 

[Brownstone]

What does the race of BET's owners have to do with the black folks on there who are selling negative images and glorifying lifestyles that they no longer or worse yet, never lived?
Did you read my post or skim it?

By your own definition of selling out, race has everything to do with it." Black folks is pretty vague" just like your post.

 

[Sir San Diego]

My post was vague? I just reread it and no, I specifically called out the entertainers portraying negative images, not the owners of BET and VH1. Do you need a list of of every example to see my point or are you being argumentative because you're bored?

 

[gllahone84]

Nooo way. If anything, he was a person who didn't sell out. I would have never thought someone was going to try to bring weed mainstream like that, and be successful at it.

Must be a 90's baby...

Wiz wasn't the first person to bring weed to the mainstream...far from the first.

 

[handullz]

Stay out of the showers......

 

[DeadsetAce]

you're just mad because you're poor

always what i think of when i hear people say, "______ sold out..."

 

[handullz]

Must be a 90's baby...
Wiz wasn't the first person to bring weed to the mainstream...far from the first.

@ "bringing weed mainstream"

ever heard of snoop dogg? cheech and chong? how high? friday?

and i KNOW weed was mainstream before these media figures...

 

[buc em]

So because Karl Malone didn't want black people dressing like how they did back in 2000-2006, liked to fish and hunt and he didn't wanna play basketball with a guy that had AIDS that makes him un-black. The guy grew up living on a farm and played in Utah his entire career...what you want him to do? Support every black person no matter what they stand for just because they're also black? Rock big baggy clothes because all the other black people were doing it? Play against a guy that contracted AIDS just because they had previously played against eachother?

 

[Brownstone]

My post was vague? I just reread it and no, I specifically called out the entertainers portraying negative images, not the owners of BET and VH1. Do you need a list of of every example to see my point or are you being argumentative because you're bored?

Am I bored ? You seem to not read your own posts, which entertainers? Which negative images? The only thing you have been clear on is your def of selling out, which I agree with.

 

[hankmoody]

How is Clarence Thomas a sell-out? By all accounts, he's been a staunch Constitutionalist and has been out of step with mainstream black consciousness since his college days. I recently listened to a Leonard Lopate podcast about a special program for black men at the College of Holy Cross which Thomas participated in and there were anecdotes about Thomas' divisive positions. Now you might consider him ridiculously wrong about many issues, as do I, but I can't consider him a sell-out.

Here's a lengthy profile of Thomas in The New Yorker last year: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/08/29/110829fa_fact_toobin?currentPage=all

 

[ootherocoo]

So then why aren't rappers considered sellouts considering many of them rap about violence and drug selling to make a dollar? But no, we want to point at tyler perry.

QFT!  

We are too busy being angry/worried about the true issues at hand.  It's a sad state of affairs.

 

[Brownstone]

Well said hank, I never saw that article, good read. I would also agree that Thomas is a lot of things, sellout is one noun that doesnt come to mind.

 

[jhawk826]

So then why aren't rappers considered sellouts considering many of them rap about violence and drug selling to make a dollar? But no, we want to point at tyler perry.

What's wrong with pointing fingers at Tyler Perry? Exploiting your own people is selling out. Most musicians don't control their image. The white owned record label molds them to their liking and then pushes that onto the public.

Are there musicians that are sellouts? Of course. Nicki Minaj, Jay-Z and Kanye West are just some of the rappers I can name off the top of the dome.

"I don't believe in quotas. America was founded on a philosophy of individual rights, not group rights." Clarence Thomas

I don't believe in quotas either and he's right, but quotas are a necessary evil due to the sins committed by previous generations. If it wasn't for Affirmative Action and laws like the Americans w/ Disabilities Act groups like women, blacks, latinos, Native Americans, handicaps and veterans just to name a few would be on the outside looking in.

Also, being a Black Republican does not mean you are a sell out. That's a terrible way to think.

 

[Betonblck]

Well said hank, I never saw that article, good read. I would also agree that Thomas is a lot of things, sellout is one noun that doesnt come to mind.

Clarence Thomas is an Uncle Tom and scum.

First, he doesn't recognize that the Constitution had it's flaws. He is also for separate but equal. He sexually harassed Anita Hill. He is against Affirmative Action, which he benefited from.

 

[goldenchild9]

Good discussion in here.

 

[gllahone84]

How is Clarence Thomas a sell-out? By all accounts, he's been a staunch Constitutionalist and has been out of step with mainstream black consciousness since his college days. I recently listened to a Leonard Lopate podcast about a special program for black men at the College of Holy Cross which Thomas participated in and there were anecdotes about Thomas' divisive positions. Now you might consider him ridiculously wrong about many issues, as do I, but I can't consider him a sell-out.

Here's a lengthy profile of Thomas in The New Yorker last year: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/08/29/110829fa_fact_toobin?currentPage=all

Taken from the article...

Thomas’s views both reflect and inspire the Tea Party movement, which his wife has helped lead almost since its inception. The Tea Party is a diffuse operation, and it can be difficult to pin down its stand on any given issue. Still, the Tea Party is unusual among American political movements in its commitment to a specific view of the Constitution—one that accords, with great precision, with Thomas’s own approach. For decades, various branches of the conservative movement have called for a reduction in the size of the federal government, but for the Tea Party, and for Thomas, small government is a constitutional command.

In his jurisprudence, Thomas may be best known for his belief in a “color-blind Constitution”; that is, one that forbids any form of racial preference or affirmative action. But color blind, for Thomas, is not blind to race. Thomas finds a racial angle on a broad array of issues, including those which appear to be scarcely related to traditional civil rights, like campaign finance or gun control. In Thomas’s view, the Constitution imposes an ideal of racial self-sufficiency, an extreme version of the philosophy associated with Booker T. Washington, whose portrait hangs in his chambers. (This personal gallery also includes Frederick Douglass, Abraham Lincoln, Ronald Reagan, and Margaret Thatcher.)

1. How is the only black man on the supreme court considered to be one of the most conservative? How is that even possible? 

2. Clarence Thomas believes in the original intent of the constitution. 

3. He's also dead set against diversity programs. Dude is a clear beneficiary of something akin to Affirmative Action, but yet he makes a statement like this...

“so-called ‘benign’ discrimination teaches many that because of chronic and apparently immutable handicaps, minorities cannot compete with them without their patronizing indulgence. Inevitably, such programs engender attitudes of superiority or, alternatively, provoke resentment among those who believe that they have been wronged by the government’s use of race.”

Not a sell out? 

 

[killamastermind]

Interesting discussion. Will read more deeply. 

 

[handullz]

ayo... **** this wack *** muther ****** famb...

trying to tell chicks not to give up the yambs...










did this fool just thank God for slavery?????!!!!!!



:x @ 1:01 of the second video

"the ride over was pretty rough... but you know... its like riding on a crowded airplane... and your not in first class... but you're happy when you get here"

HE THANKED THE WHITE MAN FOR BRINGING US HERE!!

 

[Brownstone]

Is he not right though? Affirmative action has it's benefits, some of. Which I myself have benefited as well. But no form of policy is meant to be permanent. From my perspective, the article was highlighting Thomas's very strict constitutionalism, and the quote you highlighted doesn't just bash aa, but highlights that aa's effect reaches little outside of the classroom. A perspective I agree with.