Seattle SuperSonics Thread

What a great way to start the season smh...that traffic excuse
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....They're probably worried about losing money and paying fans bailing out to financially support those other teams ...maybe if they actually put a competitive team out there they won't have to worry about that
 
First off, strategic move with the NBA BOG meetings next week. I believe he's attending to make some sort of presentation (not sure who he's making it to, though).

And the list of whiners in this deal should be getting shorter and shorter. Dude is shutting critics up left and right by making the necessary moves so far.
 
C'mon Lincoln? Scheduling and traffic congestion/conflicts? You serious, an NHL and NBA season only overlap the MLB season by about 2 weeks plus any playoffs. If anything having a few more sport teams would build help the city gain more fans for the Mariners. Aside from the first few seasons at Safeco, attendance has been dropping at a steady rate.

On another note, I'm not holding my breath on this new Kings relocation possibility. Also, with the Hornets being bought by the Saints owner I'm not liking the possibility of a team coming anytime soon
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Just watched this documentary called Sonicgate on CNBC....Sonics got shafted by their own government officials out of a team! Must kill them to see what the Thunder have become
 
Originally Posted by eight2one

Just watched this documentary called Sonicgate on CNBC....Sonics got shafted by their own government officials out of a team! Must kill them to see what the Thunder have become

biggest difference between the Kings and Sonics
 
Just a random thought...

Say a team ends up going back to Seattle and they're the Supersonics. What would happen to all of the Thunder/sonic records.
 
An awesome documentary might I add.

That author's 3 minute piece on Ray Allen towards the end.
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He was really choked up and it felt genuine.
 
Originally Posted by rck2sactown

Originally Posted by eight2one

Just watched this documentary called Sonicgate on CNBC....Sonics got shafted by their own government officials out of a team! Must kill them to see what the Thunder have become

biggest difference between the Kings and Sonics
Yep. Mayor McFatty sold us out, ultimately. The city council got on their high horse and yapped about how the Sonics didn't mean anything to Seattle (Nick Licata, if I ever run into you, I'm punching you in the face), but all the mayor had to do was say "we're not settling" and Clay Bennett would have been forced to keep the Sonics in Seattle until 2010. And considering the way the economy tanked a few months later, he would have been forced to sell eventually. The agreement was set in stone. They couldn't leave before the lease was up. Part of the settlement was that they pay $45 million to the city, and they'd put up another $30 million if the city did renovations to KeyArena and secured a team by 2013 (never was going to happen), so the city LOST that extra $30 million by striking that deal. And Mayor McFatty wonders why he didn't even make it past the primary the next year.

As for the legacy, the colors, name, logo, etc. belongs to Seattle. Any future franchise in Seattle gets to have a "shared" history (as I understand it). The problem is, there won't be any expansion, so if a team moves here, they'd literally be sharing two franchises' records. It's all very confusing. All I know is that players like Shawn Kemp, Gary Payton, etc. won't be caught dead in OKC as long as they live. They've said multiple times they will never step foot in that town, even after they've been offered appearance fees (pretty much a slap in the face). The icing on the cake is when I saw a Thunder t-shirt that said "Est. 1967." Just flat-out wrong.
 
Originally Posted by dmbrhs

Originally Posted by rck2sactown

Originally Posted by eight2one

Just watched this documentary called Sonicgate on CNBC....Sonics got shafted by their own government officials out of a team! Must kill them to see what the Thunder have become

biggest difference between the Kings and Sonics
Yep. Mayor McFatty sold us out, ultimately. The city council got on their high horse and yapped about how the Sonics didn't mean anything to Seattle (Nick Licata, if I ever run into you, I'm punching you in the face), but all the mayor had to do was say "we're not settling" and Clay Bennett would have been forced to keep the Sonics in Seattle until 2010. And considering the way the economy tanked a few months later, he would have been forced to sell eventually. The agreement was set in stone. They couldn't leave before the lease was up. Part of the settlement was that they pay $45 million to the city, and they'd put up another $30 million if the city did renovations to KeyArena and secured a team by 2013 (never was going to happen), so the city LOST that extra $30 million by striking that deal. And Mayor McFatty wonders why he didn't even make it past the primary the next year.

As for the legacy, the colors, name, logo, etc. belongs to Seattle. Any future franchise in Seattle gets to have a "shared" history (as I understand it). The problem is, there won't be any expansion, so if a team moves here, they'd literally be sharing two franchises' records. It's all very confusing. All I know is that players like Shawn Kemp, Gary Payton, etc. won't be caught dead in OKC as long as they live. They've said multiple times they will never step foot in that town, even after they've been offered appearance fees (pretty much a slap in the face). The icing on the cake is when I saw a Thunder t-shirt that said "Est. 1967." Just flat-out wrong.
If you were to replace Seattle with Sacramento, Mayor McFatty with Magoofs, and Sonics with Kings then this would pretty much be exactly the situation we are in right now. 
Broke #+# owners can't do #++*. Bunch of idiots. Our local government has gone above and beyond to try and keep this team here and get a new arena. Its the owners who have their hands out and want to "not settle" and get a better deal; essentially a free arena with no collateral and all the profits
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(I'm not kidding, thats really what they want), on top of design power and a shorter lease than any other team moving into a new arena
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Originally Posted by Statis22

An awesome documentary might I add.

That author's 3 minute piece on Ray Allen towards the end.
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He was really choked up and it felt genuine.
I'm guessing you're talking about Sherman Alexie. He is great. Leading up to the Sonics leaving I said the Jim McIlvaine signing is what led to the Sonics ultimately leaving town, and when I heard him say that early in the documentary, it was the ultimate validation. Finally, someone who was able to analyze the situation, looking farther back than anyone had even considered. It wasn't just about Schultz selling the team, it was a ten year history of poor management, across two ownership groups, that led to what happened. Sad, but looking back, it all makes sense.

I will say this, the ultimate vote to sell was devastatingly close. The ownership group, which consisted of many dozens of people, came down to a difference of a few votes. If those few had gone the other way, Sonics are still in Seattle and we're not where we are. I know this from talking to multiple people in that ownership group.
 
Originally Posted by rck2sactown

Originally Posted by dmbrhs

Originally Posted by rck2sactown


biggest difference between the Kings and Sonics
Yep. Mayor McFatty sold us out, ultimately. The city council got on their high horse and yapped about how the Sonics didn't mean anything to Seattle (Nick Licata, if I ever run into you, I'm punching you in the face), but all the mayor had to do was say "we're not settling" and Clay Bennett would have been forced to keep the Sonics in Seattle until 2010. And considering the way the economy tanked a few months later, he would have been forced to sell eventually. The agreement was set in stone. They couldn't leave before the lease was up. Part of the settlement was that they pay $45 million to the city, and they'd put up another $30 million if the city did renovations to KeyArena and secured a team by 2013 (never was going to happen), so the city LOST that extra $30 million by striking that deal. And Mayor McFatty wonders why he didn't even make it past the primary the next year.

As for the legacy, the colors, name, logo, etc. belongs to Seattle. Any future franchise in Seattle gets to have a "shared" history (as I understand it). The problem is, there won't be any expansion, so if a team moves here, they'd literally be sharing two franchises' records. It's all very confusing. All I know is that players like Shawn Kemp, Gary Payton, etc. won't be caught dead in OKC as long as they live. They've said multiple times they will never step foot in that town, even after they've been offered appearance fees (pretty much a slap in the face). The icing on the cake is when I saw a Thunder t-shirt that said "Est. 1967." Just flat-out wrong.
If you were to replace Seattle with Sacramento, Mayor McFatty with Magoofs, and Sonics with Kings then this would pretty much be exactly the situation we are in right now. 
Broke #+# owners can't do #++*. Bunch of idiots. Our local government has gone above and beyond to try and keep this team here and get a new arena. Its the owners who have their hands out and want to "not settle" and get a better deal; essentially a free arena with no collateral and all the profits
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(I'm not kidding, thats really what they want), on top of design power and a shorter lease than any other team moving into a new arena
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Don't get me started on what Clay Bennett demanded in Seattle, as part of his "good faith effort" to keep the team here. A $500 million multi-purpose arena (by far the most expensive non-baseball or football stadium in the history of American professional sports), 100% funded by taxpayers. It was so laughable.
 
Originally Posted by MoonMan818

Just a random thought...

Say a team ends up going back to Seattle and they're the Supersonics. What would happen to all of the Thunder/sonic records.

What happened when the original Cleveland Browns became the Ravens and then a new Browns team started playing in Cleveland?  It would pretty much be the same situation with a "new" Seattle Sonics team.
  
 
Originally Posted by RyGuy45

Via Deadspin this afternoon:

An Insider's Notes on the Shabby Death of the Sonics
None of this matters. In the end, the Sonics weren't the flavor of the month. That's why nobody stood up for them. I guarantee if they'd rattled off 50+ wins in 2006 again, the politicians and the public would have been singing a different tune. By 2007, they were a bad lottery team, and all hope was gone. Seattle is a "what have you done for me lately?" town.
 
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