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looked at my lebron zoom iv black crimson and thought of the zigtechs...
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Did you size 1/2 up?Originally Posted by dmxfury
Got mine today from rbk.com, these feel great and I agree with Tre, these almost push you forward when walking. Can't wait to wear around
I didn't say anything about Nike. Mizuno has been doing the "wave" for a while. They've done it WELL too.Originally Posted by trethousandgt
haveOriginally Posted by Crazy EBW
They act like this technology is new, which is the main thing I don't like.
How is this technology NOT new? First off if you didn't see it earlier in the post and you really think reebok took from Nike's Free shoe, its actually the other way around. http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-161873409.html Second. I have yet to try one Nike shoe that performs like the zig tech, before you say its nothing new try wearing the shoe first.
Crazy EBW wrote:
trethousandgt wrote:
Crazy EBW wrote:
They act like this technology is new, which is the main thing I don't like.
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How is this technology NOT new? First off if you didn't see it earlier in the post and you really think reebok took from Nike's Free shoe, its actually the other way around. http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-161873409.html Second. I have yet to try one Nike shoe that performs like the zig tech, before you say its nothing new try wearing the shoe first.
I didn't say anything about Nike. Mizuno has been doing the "wave" for a while. They've done it WELL too.
You work for Reebok or something? Your high as hell on these. They're OKAY but nothing special. The insole that comes stock with these is a lot better than your average sockliner for sure. It's a pretty good first run shoe for a brand that is trying to get it's name back in the spotlight. Between these and the different 'Tones they have, i'd say it's at least a step in the right direction.
As someone that has owned a few of the Mizuno Wave creations I'll tell you this. They do not perform like this shoe. Nothing I have ever put on my feet has performed like this shoe. I'm not saying its the most comfortable shoe, or even the best shoe for that matter, but I have never owned a pair of sneakers that actually thrust me forward. This taken from a conversation on another forum from someone with extensive knowledge in biomechanics:
"The 3D foam gives a lot of cushioning and the TPU plate provides excellent propulsion at the end of the gate cycle. Reebok has found a way to provide plenty of cushion and firm rebound. Of coarse this goes mainly for neutral runners.....most people fall into this category"
and no i do not work for Reebokbut as someone that has voiced their opinion on what Reebok wasn't doing, its only right to point out when they are doing good things, and they are definitely doing good things over there.
Originally Posted by Crazy EBW
Most people don't fall into the neutral running category.
I don't even like Mizuno like that, but I like them better than these.
If you see about half of your arch, you have the most common foot typeand are considered a normal pronator. Contrary to popular belief,pronation is a good thing. When the arch collapses inward, this"pronation" absorbs shock. As a normal pronator, you can wear justabout any shoe, but may be best suited to a stability shoe thatprovides moderate arch support (or medial stability). Lightweightrunners with normal arches may prefer neutral-cushioned shoes withoutany added support, or even a performance-training shoe that offers somesupport but less heft, for a faster feel.
I'm not sure if you consider pronation to be neutral, but I don't. I don't think you understand what exactly neutral means when you try to discuss it. When you're running, you WANT to feel propelled forward. You don't like that feeling?
Originally Posted by Crazy EBW
Most people don't fall into the neutral running category.
If you see about half of your arch, you have the most common foot type and are considered a normal pronator. Contrary to popular belief, pronation is a good thing. When the arch collapses inward, this "pronation" absorbs shock. As a normal pronator, you can wear just about any shoe, but may be best suited to a stability shoe that provides moderate arch support (or medial stability). Lightweight runners with normal arches may prefer neutral-cushioned shoes without any added support, or even a performance-training shoe that offers some support but less heft, for a faster feel.
I'm not sure if you consider pronation to be neutral, but I don't. I don't think you understand what exactly neutral means when you try to discuss it. When you're running, you WANT to feel propelled forward. You don't like that feeling?
i think may depend on your running style, if you run heel-to-toe pronation is the process of striking the lateral heel of your foot and rolling through to your toes; which is a somewhat unnatural way of running, however because of the cushioning provided in modern running shoes, most people do tend to run that way, instead of on the ball(s) of their feet which is more natural & reduces the amount of force being absorbed & dissipates it better; or something to that effect...even with that being the case,people do pronate when walking...and doesn't the whole description above describe the most common foot neutral? i.e. be flexible enough to wear any shoe, ultimately saying it depends on preference?
Originally Posted by trethousandgt
Makes no sense pronation is not bad. Everyone has some degree of pronation most people are neutral not sure what the hell ur talking about last time i checked there are neutral over and under most people are neutral. Zigtech is beneficial for people who are neutral. End of discussion.
then explain to me how i had to be put in a Walking boot when i got Posterior Tibular Tendonitis in my arch when I did not have orthodics, but for the past year i've had them, i've never felt any pain, only except the times i would be wearing non-orthodtic inserted flipflops ?Originally Posted by ZombieJesus12
You guys arguing about stride types are missing the point entirely.
We're supposed to run barefoot, evolutionarily speaking. Our feet and legs are evolved to run that way. And for those of you that gone running with no shoes, you already know this is true. It's a million times better than with shoes. If you haven't tried it yet, then you have no idea what you're talking about.
Anyway, when you run barefoot, you land on the outside of your midfoot, then your heel dips and you push off again. That's how our feet work. That's why we have an arch. There's a shape in architecture based on this concept; basically it can support weight above the curved portion, and the curved shape allows it to stretch out and accommodate more weight without breaking.
That's how our feet work. When you land on your midfoot, your arch stretches out to support your weight.You land light and fast under your center of gravity. If you don't believe me, then go outside, find a park, and run around in your bare feet. You'll see it yourself.
So back in the 70s when running became a big commercial market, Bowerman made a shoe that he thought could change running for the better. He figured that if you had a comfy heel, you could land on it when you run. And if you did that, you could take longer strides, and thus run faster. (By the way, seriously that was what he thought. That's like a 4 year old's understanding of science) So he made up the Cortez, which really introduced the idea of a thick-soled running shoe, and ended up changing a lot of the western world's ideas about how we run.
So basically in the last 30 years shoe manufacters have spent a whole lot of time making up crap for running shoes. Things like "pronation" and "arch support" are absolutely ridiculous if you think about them - as I explained, an arch IS ALREADY ITSELF A SUPPORT SYSTEM! So why would you put a little bit of rubber underneath it and pretend like that's how it workdsIt's completely ridiculous.
When Reebok says the ZigTech will save you wear and tear on the leg (like in the ads how you use 10% leg muscle or whatever it was), thus enabling you to run fast. That's not how the body works. Your legs are SUPPOSED to work a lot when you run! When they don't get exercised because you have a shoe like this, they muscles become weak! You don't become faster because your body is using less energy for your legs and can like transport that energy to your lungs! It's all more idiotic 4 year old ideas about how human beings work.
I mean, I would wear these casually. When you walk, it's supposed to be a heel-toe movement, so having a huge cushioned sole might be comfy in some limited use. But if you're running in this, you're not doing anything close to what nature intended your body to do. That's the bottom line