Rap About Nothing: Hip Hop Chat Thread

[tay1]

Huh?

we could not agree with them w/o trying to discredit them, Busta & Fat Joe have had succesful careers spanning 30 years at this point, and were heavily involved in every aspect of hiphop culture before the money was even a thing.

In regards to this whole FBA/Black immigrants **** that's been boiling over, I can't believe they let Tariq start this. **** looking real agentish . whenever you start building this heavy divide & start antagonizing the opposite view, it steers people towards doing the same towards you & nothing really changes much.

I don’t rock with Tariq in regards to it because he goes too heavy

But when you have others from the diaspora trying to discredit and change our history it becomes a problem . You willfully try to discredit our history, you can be discredited yourself.

Hip hop was created by Black Americans period. The nerve of them to try to shoe horn their culture into what we created is insane. Early participants, doesn’t make you a founder.

 

[Magic33]

That's why I say it's important to know our history, because others will quickly try to change it to their benefit.

 

[6 Rings G.O.A.T.]

 

[trynafeelmink]

They've been in rap for 30 years, but hip hop existed for 20 years before them.

They aren't the end and be all in hip hop and all knowing.

People need to stop grouping those two goofies as some sort of pioneers as if their voice holds weight, because they are just in the spotlight more than other rappers from the 70's and 80's.

Bruh your talking about two people who have been heavily involved in hiphop culture since their teens, have worked with damn near everyone throughu their careers, reached the highest heights of hiphop, and are extremely knowledgeable based on real life experience.

They aren't he end all be all of hiphop but they are way more entitled to talk on hiphop culture than 95% of the people that do

 

[tay1]

Bruh your talking about two people who have been heavily involved in hiphop culture since their teens, have worked with damn near everyone throughu their careers, reached the highest heights of hiphop, and are extremely knowledgeable based on real life experience.

They aren't he end all be all of hiphop but they are way more entitled to talk on hiphop culture than 95% of the people that do

When you start lying about the history, you aren’t entitled to anything .

 

[6 Rings G.O.A.T.]

 

[trynafeelmink]

I don’t rock with Tariq in regards to it because he goes too heavy

But when you have others from the diaspora trying to discredit and change our history it becomes a problem . You willfully try to discredit our history, you can be discredited yourself.

Hip hop was created by Black Americans period. The nerve of them to try to shoe horn their culture into what we created is insane. Early participants, doesn’t make you a founder.

up until Tariq made this his new spiel i very rarely seen others from the diaspora claiming that they created hiphop, they just stated that they were there as well & different parts of their cultures helped to shape hiphop & it did.

the dynamics of the Bronx have not changed much fromt he time hiphop started booming, most hoods are made up of Blacks American, Puerto Ricans & Jamaicans... to claim they weren't involved witht he start of it is crazy..... and it's equally as crazy for anyone to claim that hiphop isn't a direct result of black American culture

 

[Magic33]

Bruh your talking about two people who have been heavily involved in hiphop culture since their teens, have worked with damn near everyone throughu their careers, reached the highest heights of hiphop, and are extremely knowledgeable based on real life experience.

They aren't he end all be all of hiphop but they are way more entitled to talk on hiphop culture than 95% of the people that do

Again, I don't care what they did and who they are, they are not all knowing and don't know everything. Those two buffoons can be wrong like anyone else.

They can give their opinion all their want, but I'm also intelligent enough to know when they're wrong and saying dumb ****.

Am I going to listen to Grandmaster Caz or Fat Joe?
Am I going to listen to Kurtis Blow or Busta Rhymes?
Am I going to listen to Kool Moe Dee or Fat Joe?
Am I going to listen to Melle Mel or Busta Rhymes?

Especially when Busta has shown himself to be an idiot over the years.

Should I respect Vanilla Ice, because he put out a song 35 years ago? It's like you dudes pick and choose who you want to blindly follow, and it's based on them hogging the spotlight and trying to be noticed. People gathered around the campfire to hear Fat Joe and his stories.

C'mon son

 

[trynafeelmink]

Aite **** it then this thread should go extinct, because if Fat joe & Busta have no right to discuss hiphop then who the **** does

 

[Magic33]

up until Tariq made this his new spiel i very rarely seen others from the diaspora claiming that they created hiphop, they just stated that they were there as well & different parts of their cultures helped to shape hiphop & it did.

the dynamics of the Bronx have not changed much fromt he time hiphop started booming, most hoods are made up of Blacks American, Puerto Ricans & Jamaicans... to claim they weren't involved witht he start of it is crazy..... and it's equally as crazy for anyone to claim that hiphop isn't a direct result of black American culture

Involved doesn't meant you started.

If you have a crew of people interested in sneakers, and I see you guys are in to sneakers too. I say word, I'm in to sneakers too, and I join. Did I start it? Hell no. I joined. I was a participant. The train was already moving.

 

[Magic33]

Aite **** it then this thread should go extinct, because if Fat joe & Busta have no right to discuss hiphop then who the **** does

You keep listening to those two buffoons for your hip hop knowledge then.

You listen to Grandmaster Caz on Drink Champs?

 

[trynafeelmink]

Again, I don't care what they did and who they are, they are not all knowing and don't know everything. Those two buffoons can be wrong like anyone else.

They can give their opinion all their want, but I'm also intelligent enough to know when they're wrong and saying dumb ****.

Am I going to listen to Grandmaster Caz or Fat Joe?
Am I going to listen to Kurtis Blow or Busta Rhymes?
Am I going to listen to Kool Moe Dee or Fat Joe?
Am I going to listen to Melle Mel or Busta Rhymes?

Especially when Busta has shown himself to be an idiot over the years.

Should I respect Vanilla Ice, because he put out a song 35 years ago? It's like you dudes pick and choose who you want to blindly follow, and it's based on them hogging the spotlight and trying to be noticed. People gathered around the campfire to hear Fat Joe and his stories.

C'mon son

Bruh who said that they can't be wrong?

Your straight up delusional to sit here and act like two ****** who have dedicated their entire lives to hiphop for the better parts of 40 years, somehow aren't knowledgeable enough on the subject

 

[Magic33]

Bruh who said that they can't be wrong?

Your straight up delusional to sit here and act like two ****** who have dedicated their entire lives to hiphop for the better parts of 40 years, somehow aren't knowledgeable enough on the subject

What is your argument? They are wrong.

 

[trynafeelmink]

this the ***** who has started a rift between Black Americans/ Caribben/ Latinos over hiphop

none of the **** is real anymore man

 

[rbk93]

This JID album is pretty good.

 

[tomdiginson]

up until Tariq made this his new spiel i very rarely seen others from the diaspora claiming that they created hiphop, they just stated that they were there as well & different parts of their cultures helped to shape hiphop & it did.

the dynamics of the Bronx have not changed much fromt he time hiphop started booming, most hoods are made up of Blacks American, Puerto Ricans & Jamaicans... to claim they weren't involved witht he start of it is crazy..... and it's equally as crazy for anyone to claim that hiphop isn't a direct result of black American culture

This. Tariq has lost his mind.

 

[tay1]

this the ***** who has started a rift between Black Americans/ Caribben/ Latinos over hiphop

none of the **** is real anymore man

This is deflecting.

Google Jamaicans created hip hop. This is not a talking point Tariq created. It’s been going around, and it’s wrong.

Even that thick Dancehall singer Spice said Hip Hop came from Dancehall

 

[Peep Game]

 

[trynafeelmink]

This is deflecting.

Google Jamaicans created hip hop. This is not a talking point Tariq created. It’s been going around, and it’s wrong.

Even that thick Dancehall singer Spice said Hip Hop came from Dancehall

yes a few random people from the Caribbean or Latinos have tried to make the claim, that is not a regular ideology or thought being shared. the overwhelming majority has always looked at hiphop as an artform created & shaped by black American culture, that also had ties with other black cultures & descendants of those cultures were heavily involved.

 

[Arthur Shelby]

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Khaled declining. Him hating on Tyler was the beginning.

110k is declining?

I was expecting to see 80k or something from that comment.

 

[JRaW’d]

Its been said for YEARS that jamaicans birthed hiphop.

I heard that before i was ever made aware of who tariq is.

If they birthed it tho, question is, why is it that they have absolutely no presence in it?

People think black culture doesn’t exist bc the whole world got their hands in our ****.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Huh?

we could not agree with them w/o trying to discredit them, Busta & Fat Joe have had succesful careers spanning 30 years at this point, and were heavily involved in every aspect of hiphop culture before the money was even a thing.

In regards to this whole FBA/Black immigrants **** that's been boiling over, I can't believe they let Tariq start this. **** looking real agentish . whenever you start building this heavy divide & start antagonizing the opposite view, it steers people towards doing the same towards you & nothing really changes much.

Did Tariq start it or have black immigrants and lations been talking crazy for YEARS?

And this goes way beyond who started hip hop.

 

[trynafeelmink]

Did Tariq start it or have black immigrants and lations been talking crazy for YEARS?

And this goes way beyond who started hip hop.

I've heard it suggested in the past by individuals of course, i don't ever remember this being a big discourse on the larger scale. Hiphop culture has never been in danger of being credited to anything but black American culture.

In regards to the whole FBA/Caribbean/African/Latino etc etc **** i'm over all of it. men/women, Straight/gay, lightskin/darksin, hood/suburbs etc etc every year their seems to be a new fracture between black people & while i agree that their is real issues at hand in all these dynamics, 80% of the time these issues are highlighted is to cause further division & resentment towards each other rather then mending it.

I'm not one of those all of us gotta go back to Africa & reunite with our tribe ******, but i'm also aware that we are in no position to be denouncing each other in a land that will don't differentiate their hate on whether someone is Puertorican or Black

 

[daruma]