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This true
Joe said himself that Biz hasn’t talked to Em in like 10 years and Biz agreed and said he hadn’t
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Joe said himself that Biz hasn’t talked to Em in like 10 years and Biz agreed and said he hadn’t
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what rapper is going to pay any producer before they hear a beat
only way i could see something like that working is if you charge a fee to even be booked and then you just play them beats live/cook something up
but even then you’d have to be metro or someone whos white hot to say that your time is literally and legitimately worth that booking fee
but for the most part, when its album time, these dudes just sending out the mass text “hit me with beats im finna go in and record” and the producers trying to catch that 1
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Not to mention these new artists often are solely getting booked because of 1-3 songs.
Not with Ross and Party Heart, but imagine Tay K telling the producer of the Race he shouldnt get paid because it dropped for free yet thats the only reason Tay k is getting booked
same for fetty and trap queen
21 and red opps
kodak and no flocking/scrilla
lil yachty and 1 night
lil baby and my dawg
etc. etc.
a song can change someones life and ****** cant get a rack or two and the 50% back end publishing they deserve. hell some ****** would be satisfied with a couple bills it aint even like ****** asking for some crazy ****
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Rap game ****** up
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this is the worst especially for upcoming street artists
****** will get on IG/Snap all day with dirty money and instead of spending it on some **** that will help their actual career and is a legit investment, they’ll drop it on designer shoes, weed, clothes and other hot boy ****.
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It's crazy that Joe is that relevant right now that dudes are trying to start fake beefs with him to gain publicity for themselves.
Joe is bigger and relevant now than he's ever been, from talking. We live in a crazy world.
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Evolution of the information age. People are into podcasts and social media platforms that deliver personal content and news to their followers are where its at. Unrelated. The death of television has been coming, but it's coming quicker than I expected. I haven't watched real life tv in weeks it seems.
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The terms themselves can be negotiated. Not to pay before hearing beat but if a beat is selected what kind of compensation is to be expected. Whether it's $X per beat or what else.
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BUT then again I'm poorly educated in this realm so I'm looking at this from a bare bones business sight
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all you can really do is make it clear in the emails that they need to contact you before releasing so yall can negotiate something but even then its like how really can you enforce that until after the fact if they choose to not contact you.
its a tricky game but the flip side to that is not sending anything out and just having a laptop full of hard *** beats and nothing to do with them. until you convert that to money or placements, its just a neat hobby.
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Being a huge personality or 'brand' is the new hoop or rap dream
Proposition Joe
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Big artist still send beats out too, they're constantly emailing the artist engineer beats. They have their **** in line legally though. You aren't going to have a Scott storch beat on your album without him paying him. Trying that with him will probably lead to a law suit.
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Somebody like Mike Will might be able to pull that off. Say we need you in the studio and we can create the music around you, but you have to build up your number ones and reputation first.
These dudes now, there is no signature sound. There is no, I need a Pete Rock track for my album. I needs a Premo beat. They're easily replaceable and duplicated. They have no leverage. Not every one could afford producing equipment in the 90's. Now producers are as common as rappers.
Now, just send me what you have, and let me pick something. It's always been that to a a degree, but it was more personal and dudes didn't try to get over like they do now.
Even known producers are making a lot less than they used to. Who was it, Swizz(?) when he said he was talking to Mustard. Dudes are getting jerked and having to work a lot harder for it
Once that dope beat you gave for free is used on a mixtape, you can't sell it later. It's useless. You just have to hope it gets you paid work and not just a bunch of free mixtape work.
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It's def a shot in a dark when you building. But that's kinda the way it goes for all kinds of artists. You do a lot of "free" work with a lil paid work on the side waiting for that break
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That's how it in entertainment period. When you're new you ain't getting big nothing for anything. Ice T was the most famous person in New Jack City but he said he only got like 20k for that movie cuz it was his first movie. You gotta build some type of resume.
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Why bizarre defending dude like that? I be seeing this ***** at this liquor store in Southfield pulling up in a van looking bummy as hell playing the lottery. Em ain't breaking bread wit son.
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They trtnna turn the whole Detroit against Joe . I was listening to the radio and they like oh, joe budden want smoke with the whole Detroit, it's him vs us etc. Stop it, nobody besides trick trick riding for eminem that connected. The album is trash and I never heard it, but if it sounds worse than the trash before the last trash it's gotta be trash... er.
. I was listening to the radio and they like oh, joe budden want smoke with the whole Detroit, it's him vs us etc. Stop it, nobody besides trick trick riding for eminem that connected. The album is trash and I never heard it, but if it sounds worse than the trash before the last trash it's gotta be trash... er.
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Don't tell me big fella out there really playing the numbers hopin' he hit lmao
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Producers need a union or something. **** just too unprofessional, a lot of loop holes and grey areas. The monetary value of production has dropped drastically in the minds of artist until you get to the TM, Metro, etc brand level. These _’s will just try and use their leverage and act like they doing you a favor by gracing your beat. Same thing kinda happens in the low level video production world. Dudes be needing crews for their lil projects and will try and tell you how much “exposure” the project is gonna get you etc in lieu of paying you.
Best bet nowadays is prolly getting with a small artist you believe in that you can work semi closely with and tryna come up/develop together. Also gotta step your skills up beyond just being a beat maker, increase your value. If you tryna hit up big artists you gotta have some type of representation or you gonna get finessed. Even then it’s still iffy.
You can have a label hitting you to send beats for so and so artist, once they get the beats they just have their in house producers remake it track by track, game grimey as hell
Best bet nowadays is prolly getting with a small artist you believe in that you can work semi closely with and tryna come up/develop together. Also gotta step your skills up beyond just being a beat maker, increase your value. If you tryna hit up big artists you gotta have some type of representation or you gonna get finessed. Even then it’s still iffy.
You can have a label hitting you to send beats for so and so artist, once they get the beats they just have their in house producers remake it track by track, game grimey as hell
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its a game you cant win when ****** think like this tho. but yet wont think twice about using that same money to buy weed/perkys/sip for the week or to go get some designer gear that is worthless the first time he gets sweaty in it in the club. yet he would have no shows without beats or videos.
i heard Atlantic is notorious for doing that **** in the last paragraph. prolly why metro was going so hard at them when they had that message asking for new producers.
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****** act like photographers are just pulling cameras out of there *** or something. Photography/Videography is not a cheap hobby. The bodies and glass needed to shoot high quality videos are costing ****** way more than 1000.
You want me to take my $2500 camera and $1800 lens to shoot and edit you a $300 video? FOH broke boy. Like you said....****** spend BREAD on weed, pills, and lean and then complain when it's time to invest in themselves
You want me to take my $2500 camera and $1800 lens to shoot and edit you a $300 video? FOH broke boy. Like you said....****** spend BREAD on weed, pills, and lean and then complain when it's time to invest in themselves
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I gotta go back to Searching For Jerry Garcia, man. Great project.
