Rap About Nothing: Hip Hop Chat Thread

[harlemtothebronx]

What kills me is 10 years ago music that sounded like White Iverson or Rockstar wouldn't even be considered rap.

They warped the genre so much that anyone is coming in here to get a buck, but denounce rap music when it's put on them.

Slightly off-topic:

 

[kickvicisous]

Not a country expert by any means but I pressed play on that video and it dont sound like any country song I've ever heard in my life. Sounds like the trap/singing songs that are normally posted in here. If the creator tells you what genre it is and he's in then that needs to be respected regardless, eventually I can see a new chart for genereless songs being created

 

[iamdef]

Have you heard some the stuff he's said about hip hop and how he shows zero awareness?

He's basically like a male version of yesjulz/Iggy.

If we are talking about the same interview that he gave to some magazine talkin' about rap doesn't have depth or something like that, yea. It came off no different than some black artists, some of the OGs, and dudes I talk to in person that say the same thing so it didn't hit me the same.

If you're speaking of something else I'm not opposed to reading up on it and coming back to you about it

 

[6pac]

 

[iamdef]

What kills me is 10 years ago music that sounded like White Iverson or Rockstar wouldn't even be considered rap.

They warped the genre so much that anyone is coming in here to get a buck, but denounce rap music when it's put on them.

I think one of the problems isn't that the genre has been warped but that it's almost impossible to even universally give Hip hop a legit sub genre. Thing about all the different kinds of rock. Soft, hard (pause), scream etc. But with Hip Hop it either is or it isn't which is way to close minded for a form of music/art

 

[harlemtothebronx]

The difference to me is that when you're eating off a culture you don't necessarily represent. A culture who's struggle you can't really identify with.

How can you tell me how rap music would hit a kid listening now?

 

[kickvicisous]

Didn't someone post a video in here like a week ago about a younger new rapper who said he dont give a **** Hip-Hop?

 

[6pac]

Tried to tell you them folks won't accept a _ doing country how ya'll accept Post Malone goofy ***.


Crazy thing is country music is just watered down blues music which black started in the late 1800's.

Exactly.

Once they let black people and rolling hi hats into non urban genres it’s over yet Ariana grande and post Malone chilling over post Lex post Metro production in any lane they want to

 

[6pac]

Didn't someone post a video in here like a week ago about a younger new rapper who said he dont give a **** Hip-Hop?

Blueface/Cardi/Youngboy video?

 

[6pac]

I guess I get confused/bothered when people talk about "We gotta stop letting people in" because I don't think "We" are really "allowing" anybody as much as "We" think

 

[LA Diggler]

Didn't someone post a video in here like a week ago about a younger new rapper who said he dont give a **** Hip-Hop?

MF DOOM?

 

[harlemtothebronx]

Didn't someone post a video in here like a week ago about a younger new rapper who said he dont give a **** Hip-Hop?

All of them.

I don't think that would justify anything, though.

 

[kickvicisous]

I have no idea who it is/was, I dont think he had colorful hair though. I just remember people jumping to defense in here saying we should just be happy he's able to make money and not resort to crime Hip-Hop be damned

 

[wavycrocket]

Tried to tell you them folks won't accept a _ doing country how ya'll accept Post Malone goofy ***.


Crazy thing is country music is just watered down blues music which black started in the late 1800's.

Pretty much. But this BEEN going on. Eminem had access to actual pop and top 40 charts that black rappers didn’t.

I been talking about this on NT for a minute...but the charts been ***** on Black artists from the hip hop space until fairy recently. Streaming actually helped a bit for hip hop and charting. But even so, NF, G-Eazy, Post Malone, Macklemore, etc etc were and are getting actual placements on Pop radio. There was a time circa 2010-2015 when even Drake wasn’t get that look. Which is crazy.

 

[kickvicisous]

MF DOOM?

I dont think he would qualify as younger rapper, I'm quite sure he wouldn't

All of them.

I don't think that would justify anything, though.

Justify what exactly?

 

[harlemtothebronx]

I assumed it was to counter taking issue with Post making similar comments.

My mistake if I misconstrued your words in a quest for debate.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

If we are talking about the same interview that he gave to some magazine talkin' about rap doesn't have depth or something like that, yea. It came off no different than some black artists, some of the OGs, and dudes I talk to in person that say the same thing so it didn't hit me the same.

If you're speaking of something else I'm not opposed to reading up on it and coming back to you about it

Then it was his comments about his "struggle as a white rapper" and his interview on TBC. That's cool if you a fan but dude is a clown that always puts his foot in his mouth when he's asked about hip hop culture and his music is watered down.

This article summed him up real perfect

"Post Malone’s music is dead-eyed and ignorant, astonishingly dull in its materialism, an abandoned lot of creativity with absolutely no evidence of traffic in his cerebral cortex — and there’s also a negative side. Even if his intention is sincere homage, the bludgeoning witless imitation can’t help but feel like minstrelsy. White people will inevitably appropriate the most culturally relevant music genre, one that’s become almost intrinsically bound to the modern conception of pop, but it’s not asking too much to attempt modest synthesis or the incorporation of a single new idea, or at least to not be so grotesquely desolate. We went from Eminem to Cheddar Bob. If Post Malone were black, he wouldn’t have sold half; he simply wouldn’t exist.

A brief cameo from Swae Lee for their collaboration “Spoil My Night” felt like an SOS flare. When the member of Rae Sremmurd followed it up with “No Type,” it offered a stark reminder of everything Post Malone aspires to and brazenly imitates. He makes Vanilla Ice look like Luther Vandross. He makes Macklemore look like Mac Dre.

What Post Malone is selling is the chill-bro relatability of the third-most-sensitive member of a frat house, softly crooning acoustic guitar rap covers to seduce Gammas after a pledge paddling. He is the dynamite hack — the platonic playlist substitute at the Duke University coffee shop so the vice president doesn’t fire you for playing Young Dolph."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...c72cbf131f2_story.html?utm_term=.947d9ec7af4f

 

[iamdef]

I have no idea who it is/was, I dont think he had colorful hair though. I just remember people jumping to defense in here saying we should just be happy he's able to make money and not resort to crime Hip-Hop be damned

I think it was Blueface

Pretty much. But this BEEN going on. Eminem had access to actual pop and top 40 charts that black rappers didn’t.

I been talking about this on NT for a minute...but the charts been ***** on Black artists from the hip hop space until fairy recently. Streaming actually helped a bit for hip hop and charting. But even so, NF, G-Eazy, Post Malone, Macklemore, etc etc were and are getting actual placements on Pop radio. There was a time circa 2010-2015 when even Drake wasn’t get that look. Which is crazy.

This brings me back to the thought that we need to "have our own" system of ranking or not even a new system but a reputable company that we can look at to keep track of charting and ranking of songs that respect the culture and the diversity of people that make a diverse variety of music.

We really don't need a new business/company to be created but just uplift the ones we got.

 

[wavycrocket]

Post Malone is currently charting on the Pop/Hip Hop Charts at the same time. Look at the other names on the hip hop list who aren’t charting on Pop.

What makes Post Malone more of a Pop Star than Travi$ Scott? . Hell or even a country star. Both from Texas with similar images and sounds.

Post gets the placements tho.

 

[numbah1grimey]

Generally speaking 'we' allow it. I know generally, this thread is a bit more conscious than that, but I be perplexed by the amount of support Post gets from our people.

We're the most welcoming and embracing people because we know what being discriminated against feels like. People clearly take advantage of that.

I still think Rockstar was trash...and he didn't even write his own ****.

“He/she welcome to the BBQ” is prime example”

I told a chic once “ask emmitt till how he feels about white people” then was like “oh, wait...he’s not here to SPEAK on it” dummies

 

[kickvicisous]

I assumed it was to counter taking issue with Post making similar comments.

I have no problem with you or anyone else taking issue with his comments. I encourage it but I also wish the same furor would be taken with people who are championed in it. Its not because your either called a hater or old, so you got a bunch people faking the funk till something egregious happens.

Echoing the point iamdef made with other genres, just seems like Hip-Hop dont give a **** sometimes and its sad

 

[numbah1grimey]

Post Malone is currently charting on the Pop/Hip Hop Charts at the same time. Look at the other names on the hip hop list who aren’t charting on Pop.

What makes Post Malone more of a Pop Star than Travi$ Scott? . Hell or even a country star. Both from Texas with similar images and sounds.

Post gets the placements tho.

Ironically, Travis Scott DON’T care. That boy loves white folks. He would never complain

 

[iamdef]

Then it was his comments about his "struggle as a white rapper" and his interview on TBC. That's cool if you a fan but dude is a clown that always puts his foot in his mouth when he's asked about hip hop culture and his music is watered down.

lol I remember that statement and was disappointed in him for saying. I'm not gonna try and make excuses for him or act like what he said about his "white rapper" problems aren't tone deaf, I just never took what he said as anything that couldn't be solved with some information. I don't think he's purposely scavenging the culture

 

[harlemtothebronx]

I guess I’m willing to accept that as a double standard when it benefits our people because all the others in place harm us as a people.

 

[iamdef]

Post Malone is currently charting on the Pop/Hip Hop Charts at the same time. Look at the other names on the hip hop list who aren’t charting on Pop.

What makes Post Malone more of a Pop Star than Travi$ Scott? . Hell or even a country star. Both from Texas with similar images and sounds.

Post gets the placements tho.

Surprised to see Khalid on there pretty high, proud of em